I just wrecked my car last night. Update with PICs

[Modeps]

Originally posted by: Casawi
I am not the speeding type of guy... I never do more than 5 over.

You deserve the ticket now for a bullshit line like that.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: BlackTigers91
Wouldn't it have been better to use those five seconds to apply the brakes before you turned? l ol

I think he means he slid for 5 seconds.
l ol

EDIT:

Originally posted by: Modeps
You deserve the ticket now for a bullshit line like that.

I only drive 5 over as well... gunna call me a liar? I'll give ya the whole fucking story about why I don't speed anymore.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Modeps

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Modeps

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Bring a newspaper or print-out of the weather conditions that night to court.

what would that have to do with anything?

To show that the weather conditions caused the accident and not speeding.

The ticket is for "driving too fast for the conditions."
Showing that conditions were bad does not help his case... all it does is show that, yes, conditions were bad and he should have been driving slow.

The cop did not witness the accident. The OP by providing evidence that the conditions were bad backs-up his defense that it was the weather and not his speed.

edit - in case of a possible surcharge from your insurance company, I would also provide weather condition evidence to avoid a surcharge for the incident to your insurance company.

 

[Casawi]

Anyways what really sucks is getting to work and class. rental car is $23 a day, which isn't bad but still.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Modeps

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Modeps

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Bring a newspaper or print-out of the weather conditions that night to court.

what would that have to do with anything?

To show that the weather conditions caused the accident and not speeding.

The ticket is for "driving too fast for the conditions."
Showing that conditions were bad does not help his case... all it does is show that, yes, conditions were bad and he should have been driving slow.

The cop did not witness the accident. The OP by providing evidence that the conditions were bad backs-up his defense that it was the weather and not his speed.

Sure, if you can consider it a defense.

 

[Modeps]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: Modeps
You deserve the ticket now for a bullshit line like that.

I only drive 5 over as well... gunna call me a liar? I'll give ya the whole fucking story about why I don't speed anymore.

I'd like to hear the story, if nothing more than listening to the story.

 

[Modeps]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Modeps

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Modeps

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Bring a newspaper or print-out of the weather conditions that night to court.

what would that have to do with anything?

To show that the weather conditions caused the accident and not speeding.

The ticket is for "driving too fast for the conditions."
Showing that conditions were bad does not help his case... all it does is show that, yes, conditions were bad and he should have been driving slow.

The cop did not witness the accident. The OP by providing evidence that the conditions were bad backs-up his defense that it was the weather and not his speed.

edit - in case of a possible surcharge from your insurance company, I would also provide weather condition evidence to avoid a surcharge for the incident to your insurance company.

....

It is YOUR JOB as a driver, to realize the environment that you are in, and compensate for it. If he got in an accident, it wasn't because it was snowing out, it was because he was going fast enough to lose control when it was snowing out.

 

[evident]

dont try and get any sympathy from the cops-can't-be-infallible atot brigade... it will just frustrate you even more. i feel like if a boulder fell on your car they would just tell you to swerve around it.

it sucks that you got a ticket man. take it to court and explain your case, good luck

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: Casawi
The spot I hit was where every car driving my is spinning their tires to get over the hill. It was icy as hell, hard to even walk on. the sign I hit was just the little parking sign... I could bend that with my hands even.
The damaged to the car looked bad, but it didnt go far enough really.
There was a passenger in my car that didn't think I was going fast. The neighbors came out and told me it happens all the time in this corner. The towing guy told me I shouldn't of gotten a ticket.
If I was going to fast my car would of went sideways... I mean I head dead center ... I showed the office my tracks how I was turning fine until I slid and hit the breaks then my car just lost control.
I am not the speeding type of guy... I never do more than 5 over.

"Speeding" is not the same as "too fast for conditions"

The sheer fact that you wrecked the car shows that it was, in fact, too fast for the conditions. Would you prefer him give you a "failure to control vehicle" which is a bigger fine and more points in most states than "too fast for conditions".

I don't mean to be a jerk and I'm certain that wrecking the car should be a lesson enough here (The city certainly shouldn't get free money for something stupid like this.) but ice always requires that you take turns slower than you'd expect.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Modeps

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Modeps

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Modeps

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Bring a newspaper or print-out of the weather conditions that night to court.

what would that have to do with anything?

To show that the weather conditions caused the accident and not speeding.

The ticket is for "driving too fast for the conditions."
Showing that conditions were bad does not help his case... all it does is show that, yes, conditions were bad and he should have been driving slow.

The cop did not witness the accident. The OP by providing evidence that the conditions were bad backs-up his defense that it was the weather and not his speed.

edit - in case of a possible surcharge from your insurance company, I would also provide weather condition evidence to avoid a surcharge for the incident to your insurance company.

....

It is YOUR JOB as a driver, to realize the environment that you are in, and compensate for it. If he got in an accident, it wasn't because it was snowing out, it was because he was going fast enough to lose control when it was snowing out.

Then insurance companies and judges would never dismiss tickets/surcharges. Sorry to break it to you but they do every day.

 

[40Hands]

My friend was going down a steep hill during a storm we recently had and she started to slide and couldn't stop. She bounced off the tail end of a bus. Does that mean she was going too fast for the conditions? Sometimes you just can't stop.

Until we see pics of the car there really is no way to judge this guy. But that doesn't stop some of the high horse asses on this forum to try anyways though. :roll:

 

[evident]

Originally posted by: Modeps

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Modeps

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Modeps

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Bring a newspaper or print-out of the weather conditions that night to court.

what would that have to do with anything?

To show that the weather conditions caused the accident and not speeding.

The ticket is for "driving too fast for the conditions."
Showing that conditions were bad does not help his case... all it does is show that, yes, conditions were bad and he should have been driving slow.

The cop did not witness the accident. The OP by providing evidence that the conditions were bad backs-up his defense that it was the weather and not his speed.

edit - in case of a possible surcharge from your insurance company, I would also provide weather condition evidence to avoid a surcharge for the incident to your insurance company.

....

It is YOUR JOB as a driver, to realize the environment that you are in, and compensate for it. If he got in an accident, it wasn't because it was snowing out, it was because he was going fast enough to lose control when it was snowing out.

anything can happen when you are driving. you are aware that you aren't in control of things outside your car, right? don't be so naieve, even if you were driving slow, a spot of black ice can easily make you skid and lose control of your vehicle. it's happened to me before.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Modeps
I'd like to hear the story, if nothing more than listening to the story.

Well, pretty simple. Got pulled over for doing 82 in a 65 with light rain and the cop let me go. If I were to be a speedy speed boy still, it'd be like slapping said cop in the face and I won't do that for someone who did something kind to me. Also, I'd rather not pay $100+ to save 1 minute . Five over is like a courtesy to other drivers that don't want to go the speed limit so you're satiating their need for speed~.

 

[BlackTigers]

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: Modeps

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Modeps

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Modeps

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Bring a newspaper or print-out of the weather conditions that night to court.

what would that have to do with anything?

To show that the weather conditions caused the accident and not speeding.

The ticket is for "driving too fast for the conditions."
Showing that conditions were bad does not help his case... all it does is show that, yes, conditions were bad and he should have been driving slow.

The cop did not witness the accident. The OP by providing evidence that the conditions were bad backs-up his defense that it was the weather and not his speed.

edit - in case of a possible surcharge from your insurance company, I would also provide weather condition evidence to avoid a surcharge for the incident to your insurance company.

....

It is YOUR JOB as a driver, to realize the environment that you are in, and compensate for it. If he got in an accident, it wasn't because it was snowing out, it was because he was going fast enough to lose control when it was snowing out.

anything can happen when you are driving. you are aware that you aren't in control of things outside your car, right? don't be so naieve, even if you were driving slow, a spot of black ice can easily make you skid and lose control of your vehicle. it's happened to me before.

Right, but even if there was ice, which would be very difficult to see, you should still corner incredibly slow if you are unsure of what's there. 15MPH in snow/ice conditions around a snow-covered corner is asking for trouble. Although he did say it was down a hill...if he slid all the way down the hill then yeah, that's a different story. But it he just failed to slow enough to take the corner safely, even though it was possible...

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: 40Hands
My friend was going down a steep hill during a storm we recently had and she started to slide and couldn't stop. She bounced off the tail end of a bus. Does that mean she was going too fast for the conditions? Sometimes you just can't stop.

Until we see pics of the car there really is no way to judge this guy. But that doesn't stop some of the high horse asses on this forum to try anyways though. :roll:

I had a similar incident a long time ago. Got a surcharge on my insurance, appealed and went to a hearing. I brought a copy of the newspaper that day detailing the weather conditions and had my surcharge dropped.

 

[Modeps]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: Modeps
I'd like to hear the story, if nothing more than listening to the story.

Well, pretty simple. Got pulled over for doing 82 in a 65 with light rain and the cop let me go. If I were to be a speedy speed boy still, it'd be like slapping said cop in the face and I won't do that for someone who did something kind to me. Also, I'd rather not pay $100+ to save 1 minute . Five over is like a courtesy to other drivers that don't want to go the speed limit so you're satiating their need for speed~.

And there I have it! :thumbsup:

Aikouka.Karma++

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: evident
dont try and get any sympathy from the cops-can't-be-infallible atot brigade... it will just frustrate you even more. i feel like if a boulder fell on your car they would just tell you to swerve around it.

it sucks that you got a ticket man. take it to court and explain your case, good luck

Oh, cops can definitely make errors, but every person that comes on here crying about speeding tickets and such usually admits to speeding, which is exactly what they were cited for.

Maybe you haven't noticed, but the general population of ATOT (at least the outspoken ones) think cops are pigs until someone starts crying about a situation where it was obvious the poster was at fault and was cited as such.

 

[Modeps]

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: evident
dont try and get any sympathy from the cops-can't-be-infallible atot brigade... it will just frustrate you even more. i feel like if a boulder fell on your car they would just tell you to swerve around it.

it sucks that you got a ticket man. take it to court and explain your case, good luck

Oh, cops can definitely make errors, but every person that comes on here crying about speeding tickets and such usually admits to speeding, which is exactly what they were cited for.

Maybe you haven't noticed, but the general population of ATOT (at least the outspoken ones) think cops are pigs until someone starts crying about a situation where it was obvious the poster was at fault and was cited as such.

In case Injury needed some evidence:
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2153871&enterthread=y

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Modeps
And there I have it! Karma++4u

Have what? That I have an overly zealous sense of doing what I deem is the right thing? Although, if the speed limit on off-ramps and on-ramps are considered legal speed limits, then I do break those quite often and by quite a bit. 20mph on the on-ramp? Pfft, more like 50mph! Sure makes merging easier .

EDIT:

Looking at your edit, I think I get it . But after watching My Name is Earl, Karma sucks .

 

[Modeps]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: Modeps
And there I have it! Karma++4u

Have what? That I have an overly zealous sense of doing what I deem is the right thing? Although, if the speed limit on off-ramps and on-ramps are considered legal speed limits, then I do break those quite often and by quite a bit. 20mph on the on-ramp? Pfft, more like 50mph! Sure makes merging easier .

EDIT:

Looking at your edit, I think I get it . But after watching My Name is Earl, Karma sucks .

I wasn't calling you out on anything. Just saying I understand.

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: evident
anything can happen when you are driving. you are aware that you aren't in control of things outside your car, right? don't be so naieve, even if you were driving slow, a spot of black ice can easily make you skid and lose control of your vehicle. it's happened to me before.

Right, but even a spot of black ice can't make something as heavy as a car carry on for 5 whole seconds directly into a pole without an excess of speed. Maybe you haven't driven in snowy/icy conditions that much, but even in the worst of slides don't last but a couple of seconds if you are driving an appropriate speed. I'd almost consider it a little difficult to MAKE the vehicle slide for 5 seconds without accelerating once you're in the slide.

 

[waffleironhead]

Is the ticket lame? YES
Was he driving too fast for conditions? YES
You could have been doing 1mph and still have been going too fast for conditions if the conditions required you to not be driving at all.
Op next time slow down more or better yet stay off the road if the road conditions are bad.

 

[foghorn67]

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: evident
anything can happen when you are driving. you are aware that you aren't in control of things outside your car, right? don't be so naieve, even if you were driving slow, a spot of black ice can easily make you skid and lose control of your vehicle. it's happened to me before.

Right, but even a spot of black ice can't make something as heavy as a car carry on for 5 whole seconds directly into a pole without an excess of speed. Maybe you haven't driven in snowy/icy conditions that much, but even in the worst of slides don't last but a couple of seconds if you are driving an appropriate speed. I'd almost consider it a little difficult to MAKE the vehicle slide for 5 seconds without accelerating once you're in the slide.

Yeah, black ice is a bitch. Who knows what the OP went through, since his descriptions suck.
All the people calling the OP idiots are idiots as well.

 

[Casawi]

I got the day off for this, which sweet.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

I don't think you were going too fast. Or too slow.
I think you could have been going slower and still slid, or going faster and not.
Just as conditions vary, driving speeds during those conditions vary too.
The only safe driving speed in this case seems like it would be no speed.