i just maxed out my scale :(

[ShawnD1]

Humans were never meant to eat carbs. Fruit types... maybe. But we evolved to eat meat and pick off fruits here and there.

That 99.999% of humanity that absolutely relies on rice, grain, and potatoes are all wrong.

 

[bfdd]

It's strange considering that we seem to be able to process carbohydrates extremely well

the more complex the carbohydrate, the harder it is for our body to process it.

 

[Tim]

Not sure how saying



makes you a bigger man in anyway but size considering how personally you seem to be taking this.

Trust me, I really never take anything I read on a computer screen from some anonymous internet forum poster personally. You took the bait from the start, your fault.

Aside from that, I saw where this was going to go, so I edited my post and stopped it. You also could have left it alone at that point, but you just couldn't, could you? Being fat is far less disgusting than being a self-centered elitist forum poster, such as yourself. I'll let you reply with your stupidity, and not bother responding because I know all will be right in your wacky world if you get the last word.

 

[bfdd]

That 99.999% of humanity that absolutely relies on rice, grain, and potatoes are all wrong.

Just because we can eat it and gain some nutritional value, doesn't mean our bodies evolved to eat those things. Those are byproducts of our advancement towards awesome civilizations. In order to feed the masses we needed mass produced food. Those fit the bill. That doesn't mean they are super healthy for us.

 

[Mike Gayner]

Man there's a lot of bullshit floating around in the weight loss industry.

 

[Zen0]

That 99.999% of humanity that absolutely relies on rice, grain, and potatoes are all wrong.

What's wrong with that? There's nothing wrong with it.

100% of humans rely on clothing to live in the South Pole, it doesn't quite mean our bodies were built for it.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

That 99.999% of humanity that absolutely relies on rice, grain, and potatoes are all wrong.

You shouldn't really clump rice and grains which require lots of processing to become fit for consumption with tubers like potatoes which can be eaten as is.

 

[Deeko]

Humans were never meant to eat carbs. Fruit types... maybe. But we evolved to eat meat and pick off fruits here and there.

Fruits are very high in carbs. Sugars even. I'm certainly no vegetarian but there are plenty in that camp that would quite staunchly disagree with you that we evolved to eat meat.

The fact of the matter is, nutritionists just don't understand these things nearly as well as they'd like you to believe. There are studies that show all kinds of diets to be either healthy or unhealthy, and most of those studies conflict pretty sharply with each other.

The fact is, your best bet is to keep everything in check, eat in moderate quantities, and don't worry yourself with completely ridding a particular macro nutrient from your diet.

 

[ElFenix]

If it's for the caffeine, switch to black coffee. Unsweetened iced tea can take some getting used to, but if you mix black/green tea, with herbal flavored tea, you get an interesting flavor, a mild boost, and no carbs.

coffee you recommend cold turkey, but tea takes getting used to?


sweet tea is gross and disgusting. and it's not unsweetened. it's just tea. it's not un anything because they didn't un-anything when they made it. if i ask for coke, they don't ask me if i want diet or undiet, do they? no.


and OP needs to take half of whatever he orders for dinner/lunch/whatever and immediately throw it in the trash after receiving it.

 

[ShawnD1]

the more complex the carbohydrate, the harder it is for our body to process it.

This is just flat out wrong. Potatoes are complex carbohydrates potatoes have a HIGHER glycemic index than pure table sugar.


So when your wife/gf/mom says soda makes you fat but potatoes do not, tell her to suck it. I know this because I have reactive hypoglycemia

 

[Deeko]

to be clear though they are saying people that are like 10-15 lbs over weight do not die sooner. Most american's aren't just a few pounds overweight they are obese.

Not to mention there are a lot of people like me that are "overweight" according to their BMI, despite having relatively low body fat percentages. The BMI scale assumes you have very little muscle.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Trust me, I really never take anything I read on a computer screen from some anonymous internet forum poster personally. You took the bait from the start, your fault.

Falling back to the "lul I was trolling, so you're dumb" argument seems a bit desperate, no?

Fruits are very high in carbs. Sugars even. I'm certainly no vegetarian but there are plenty in that camp that would quite staunchly disagree with you that we evolved to eat meat.

The fact of the matter is, nutritionists just don't understand these things nearly as well as they'd like you to believe. There are studies that show all kinds of diets to be either healthy or unhealthy, and most of those studies conflict pretty sharply with each other.

The fact is, your best bet is to keep everything in check, eat in moderate quantities, and don't worry yourself with completely ridding a particular macro nutrient from your diet.

But yes, I'm going with this. It doesn't matter if your body wasn't meant for sustained carb ingestion or if evolution hasn't quite caught up with food abundance in society

Calories in vs calories out. Count calories, eat below maintenance, and you will lose weight. You don't have to bother with attempting to keep your body in ketosis or denying yourself food, just fit your diet to the numbers and your body will respond in the proper way.

 

[bfdd]

Fruits are very high in carbs. Sugars even. I'm certainly no vegetarian but there are plenty in that camp that would quite staunchly disagree with you that we evolved to eat meat.

The fact of the matter is, nutritionists just don't understand these things nearly as well as they'd like you to believe. There are studies that show all kinds of diets to be either healthy or unhealthy, and most of those studies conflict pretty sharply with each other.

The fact is, your best bet is to keep everything in check, eat in moderate quantities, and don't worry yourself with completely ridding a particular macro nutrient from your diet.

Anyone who doesn't believe we evolved to eat meat is a retard. So why would I listen to those morons anyways?

Complex carbs are not very good for us. Basic sugars are broken down and used rather quickly by the body, whereas complex carbs get turned into fat and stored.

 

[evident]

what the hell do you eat?

 

[Zen0]

Fruits are very high in carbs. Sugars even. I'm certainly no vegetarian but there are plenty in that camp that would quite staunchly disagree with you that we evolved to eat meat.

The fact of the matter is, nutritionists just don't understand these things nearly as well as they'd like you to believe. There are studies that show all kinds of diets to be either healthy or unhealthy, and most of those studies conflict pretty sharply with each other.

The fact is, your best bet is to keep everything in check, eat in moderate quantities, and don't worry yourself with completely ridding a particular macro nutrient from your diet.

Well we are primates, largely hunter gatherers, so we eat what is available. That is evolutionarily what our bodies are adapted to.

Not quite pasta and white rice, which required that we neither hunt nor gather much... but mess with nature. Ah, such is humanity lol.

I love pizza! But it makes you fat if consumed to much

 

[Deeko]

Anyone who doesn't believe we evolved to eat meat is a retard. So why would I listen to those morons anyways?

Complex carbs are not very good for us. Basic sugars are broken down and used rather quickly by the body, whereas complex carbs get turned into fat and stored.

Its amazing how quickly conventional wisdom in the nutrition world changes, isn't it? First fat was going to kill us. Then saturated fat. Then all carbs. Then sugar. Then white bread. Then HFCS. Then (according to you, anyway) complex carbs. And all of these sharply contradictory studies were seemingly based on sound scientific nutrition tests.

What's next? They're running out of macro nutrient types to blame for obesity, when the simple fact is that on average, we eat too much. Eat less, lose weight. Period. Simple.

 

[Deeko]

Well we are primates, largely hunter gatherers, so we eat what is available. That is evolutionarily what our bodies are adapted to.

Right - its adapted to eating whatever is available. Which is kinda exactly what I'm saying. Eat in proper quantities, don't worry too much about the source.

I love pizza! But it makes you fat if consumed to much

Everything will make you fat if consumed too much, which is also exactly my point.

 

[Zen0]

Its amazing how quickly conventional wisdom in the nutrition world changes, isn't it? First fat was going to kill us. Then saturated fat. Then all carbs. Then sugar. Then white bread. Then HFCS. Then (according to you, anyway) complex carbs. And all of these sharply contradictory studies were seemingly based on sound scientific nutrition tests.

What's next? They're running out of macro nutrient types to blame for obesity, when the simple fact is that on average, we eat too much. Eat less, lose weight. Period. Simple.

Yep, and it's really simple too. Modern humans are too used to the comfort of rarely being hungry, so mental fortitude is not a strong point.

If you're wanting to lose weight, you're going to have go hungry sometimes... sorry guys.

 

[Zen0]

Right - its adapted to eating whatever is available. Which is kinda exactly what I'm saying. Eat in proper quantities, don't worry too much about the source.



Everything will make you fat if consumed too much, which is also exactly my point.

Yup, pretty much everything, though I think there might be some random exceptions... maybe stuff with lots of high fiber content things that don't have much energy and just stuffs you up. Also, eating too much of some vegetables may cause weight loss...

 

[lxskllr]

coffee you recommend cold turkey, but tea takes getting used to?

:^D

Perspective I guess. I've drank my coffee black almost as long as I've been drinking coffee 30+ years. That's the proper, and default way of drinking it imo.

sweet tea is gross and disgusting. and it's not unsweetened. it's just tea.

I agree regarding sweet tea. It's fuckin' disgusting. Keep in mind, I'm in MD, which is the northern border of southland. Technically we're the south, but I think mid-Atlantic is a distinct niche that we, as well as Delaware fall in, which is neither north nor south. Anyway, the point is, in southland tea is sweet by default. You don't get it any other way unless you make it yourself. All the bottled tea sold is sweet also, which Honest Tea taking a tolerably light handed approach. So yea, down here tea can be "unsweetened". It doesn't matter how nature provides it, if the only way you get is with sugar, and people expect it that way. I only know 1 other person that drinks unsweetened tea, and that's a friend of mine that shares many of my philosophies regarding food, drink, and life in general.

 

[evident]

Well we are primates, largely hunter gatherers, so we eat what is available. That is evolutionarily what our bodies are adapted to.

Not quite pasta and white rice, which required that we neither hunt nor gather much... but mess with nature. Ah, such is humanity lol.

I love pizza! But it makes you fat if consumed to much

i have a serious weak spot for pizza and cheesesteaks. i had an emotionally and physically draining week last week, and ended up eating 5 slices of a sausage/mushroom pizza. serious noms indeed. but man that's once in a blue moon for pigging out like that.

 

[Ksyder]

I agree that eating less calories will definitely work but the idea of cutting carbs is that eating alot of carbs tend to drive the hunger response, where as eating mostly protein will be very satiating. Add to that the fact that fat doesn't increase insulin and eating meals consisting of protein and veggies will shift the insulin/glucagon ration towards burning fat and away from storing it through lower levels of insulin and higher glucagon.

Mind you, I'm just parroting what experts in the low-carb field say. I'm not really up for a debate on it because I'm about to head off for work, so if you don't agree, then just consider me as playing devils advocate for the low-carb community.

I fully agree that you can lose weight simply eating less, but the idea behind low carb, higher fat, ketogenic approach is that it can be easier due to less hunger, and the brain is not starving for dietary carbohydrate like it is when eating a carb based diet. Also, there seems to be evidence that eating lots of certain types of carbs, like wheat and sugar mess up appetite regulation, and I'm sure that linoleic acid which is found in vegetable oil plays a role as well, although I'm not sure why as I'm not an expert. For more of a paleo type of perspective on this, see here http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/04/leptin-and-lectins.html ,

part 2: http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/04/leptin-and-lectins-part-ii.html
part 3: http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/04/leptin-and-lectins-part-iii.html

 

[Zen0]

i have a serious weak spot for pizza and cheesesteaks. i had an emotionally and physically draining week last week, and ended up eating 5 slices of a sausage/mushroom pizza. serious noms indeed. but man that's once in a blue moon for pigging out like that.

Nothing wrong with that. I basically eat whatever I want when I want. I just have to go to the gym to burn it off afterwards, or have a protein bar for dinner instead.

 

[Zen0]

I agree that eating less calories will definitely work but the idea of cutting carbs is that eating alot of carbs tend to drive the hunger response, where as eating mostly protein will be very satiating. Add to that the fact that fat doesn't increase insulin and eating meals consisting of protein and veggies will shift the insulin/glucagon ration towards burning fat and away from storing it through lower levels of insulin and higher glucagon.

Mind you, I'm just parroting what experts in the low-carb field say. I'm not really up for a debate on it because I'm about to head off for work, so if you don't agree, then just consider me as playing devils advocate for the low-carb community.

I fully agree that you can lose weight simply eating less, but the idea behind low carb, higher fat, ketogenic approach is that it can be easier due to less hunger, and the brain is not starving for dietary carbohydrate like it is when eating a carb based diet. Also, there seems to be evidence that eating lots of certain types of carbs, like wheat and sugar mess up appetite regulation, and I'm sure that linoleic acid which is found in vegetable oil plays a role as well, although I'm not sure why as I'm not an expert. For more of a paleo type of perspective on this, see here http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/04/leptin-and-lectins-part-iii.html

I'll also say that another secret to weight loss is to avoid doing Cardio exercises... but not many people would listen to me.

Cardio just makes me insanely hungry, and feel like I'm getting weaker.

I do it for fun though (biking on a real bicycle) and for heart health, but avoid gym cardio equipment like the plague.

 

[Numenorean]

I do not believe the OP.