I have the guts to say it.

[xj0hnx]

It absolutely is. If someone can cheat the game then it is not competition, and people are cheating it all the way through. Thus, competition is a lie.

Like I said, in reality I deal with it everyday, I am not talking about the fantasy land you live in.

 

[bfdd]

Neoliberalism is the cult of the elites. Sad so many are brainwashed by the corporate culture that props it up that many embrace in genuine hope at a good life through working hard.

This is where the whole Thomas Jefferson "informed citizenry" comes back to smack us upside the head for letting a few elites control the message/debate for so many.

I knew we could agree on somethings Steeplerot. Though thankfully the internet and the social aspects of it are quickly replacing mass/giant media. That's why they're grasping so hard at getting on Twitter or Facebook and demanding you follow/like them. Fuck those guys.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Like I said, in reality I deal with it everyday, I am not talking about the fantasy land you live in.

I am talking about the reality of the country we live in. It may not be apparent in your situation, but it is rampant in this country and we all know it. Your continued refusal to acknowledge it only proves your opinion is slanted.

 

[xj0hnx]

I am talking about the reality of the country we live in. It may not be apparent in your situation, but it is rampant in this country and we all know it. Your continued refusal to acknowledge it only proves your opinion is slanted.

Yes, slanted towards reality.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Yes, slanted towards reality.

Yes, because corruption, payoffs, et al are not actually happening. I'm just imagining all of this.

Just keep saying I'm crazy and maybe someone will believe it, right?

 

[Matt1970]

You two are both right. There is competition and thier is corruption.

 

[xj0hnx]

Yes, because corruption, payoffs, et al are not actually happening. I'm just imagining all of this.

Just keep saying I'm crazy and maybe someone will believe it, right?

You are talking about corruption, yes there is corruption, there is also competition in most fields. Think there is only one gas company? One bank? One car manufacturer?

 

[Pr0d1gy]

You are talking about corruption, yes there is corruption, there is also competition in most fields. Think there is only one gas company? One bank? One car manufacturer?

No, but I know there is collusion between them instead of competition.

 

[monovillage]

Is that all you have? Everyone who disagrees with you is a Dem?




It absolutely is. If someone can cheat the game then it is not competition, and people are cheating it all the way through. Thus, competition is a lie.

No, some of them are just fucking stupid. I'll put you down as someone in both columns if it will make you feel better.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

No, some of them are just fucking stupid. I'll put you down as someone in both columns if it will make you feel better.

I'm not in either column. I have yet to see a candidate I completely agree with. But if you must know I most closely resemble a Republican or a Libertarian. I just don't live under the delusion that common workers are useless and the rich and powerful are almighty like most Repubs do.

Obviously, I pointed this remark at you because you made 2 posts in 2 separate threads that just called everyone you disagreed with a Dem. And here you are, still running your mouth as if what you're saying isn't 100 times more stupid than those Dems you insulted.

Do you realize what will happen if we vote Romney in and he cuts spending right now? The Greater Depression. Do you want to live through that when all of this could have been avoided with some ethics and common sense? Well, I say fuck that.

 

[sm625]

Trickle down theory is a failure.

It takes guts to say that? lol

It sounded like bullcrap 30 years ago, and it still does. It is just one of many scams to move the country's prevailing ideology from tax-and-spend to borrow-and-spend. One of the reasons this ideology failed is because of the borrowing. We never really addressed the spending. That was and still is the point of all this high tax low tax crap false dichotomy mind polluting mental masturbation.

Cutting taxes and cutting spending so that more money could "trickly down" is one argument. But cutting taxes and then using borrowed money to plug the hole is a completely different argument with a completely different set of beneficiaries and constituents.

 

[glenn1]

Trickle down theory is a failure.

It's time to try Trickle Up.

Supply side economics has failed.

Its time to try demand side economics.

Sure, because demand side deficit spending has worked so well for Japan. If only they'd spent even more in stimulus this last 30 years. Why stop at debt/GDP of 220% when you can run it up to 250%, 300% or more?

 

[Pr0d1gy]

It takes guts to say that? lol

It sounded like bullcrap 30 years ago, and it still does. It is just one of many scams to move the country's prevailing ideology from tax-and-spend to borrow-and-spend. One of the reasons this ideology failed is because of the borrowing. We never really addressed the spending. That was and still is the point of all this high tax low tax crap false dichotomy mind polluting mental masturbation.

Cutting taxes and cutting spending so that more money could "trickly down" is one argument. But cutting taxes and then using borrowed money to plug the hole is a completely different argument with a completely different set of beneficiaries and constituents.

Exactly. And just to add some context to your it takes guts? statement, some of us are long time Republicans who are finally seeing the truth behind all of this, like me. So yes, it does take guts to say it, not to mention all the Repubifacists in this forum will lay into you should you ever question their holy leaders on Wall Street and Capitol Hill.

 

[Phokus]

It takes guts to say that? lol

It sounded like bullcrap 30 years ago, and it still does. It is just one of many scams to move the country's prevailing ideology from tax-and-spend to borrow-and-spend. One of the reasons this ideology failed is because of the borrowing. We never really addressed the spending. That was and still is the point of all this high tax low tax crap false dichotomy mind polluting mental masturbation.

Cutting taxes and cutting spending so that more money could "trickly down" is one argument. But cutting taxes and then using borrowed money to plug the hole is a completely different argument with a completely different set of beneficiaries and constituents.

"Cutting taxes and cutting spending so that more money could "trickly down" is one argument."

You do realize that cutting taxes and spending wouldn't actually help the middle/working classes, right?

 

[monovillage]

I'm not in either column. I have yet to see a candidate I completely agree with. But if you must know I most closely resemble a Republican or a Libertarian. I just don't live under the delusion that common workers are useless and the rich and powerful are almighty like most Repubs do.

Obviously, I pointed this remark at you because you made 2 posts in 2 separate threads that just called everyone you disagreed with a Dem. And here you are, still running your mouth as if what you're saying isn't 100 times more stupid than those Dems you insulted.

Do you realize what will happen if we vote Romney in and he cuts spending right now? The Greater Depression. Do you want to live through that when all of this could have been avoided with some ethics and common sense? Well, I say fuck that.

I'd hate to call you a liar, but I haven't seen any of your posts that resemble anything like Libertarian or conservative thinking. So I won't call you a liar.

 

[momeNt]

I'm all for this. Stop the current way we expand the money supply through the prime dealers and instead do government checks or direct deposits to individual citizens. If we are going to manipulate the market we may as well not do it the crony capitalistic way.

 

[TheVrolok]

Even David Stockman comes out and says how trickle down was a terrible idea, and how it, along with other Republican policies, contributed to the current economic decline and people still support it? It's hilarious.

 

[davmat787]

I have no problem with that. Let's make everything we can here. Who's gonna buy it? When is America gonna get it's pride back and pay a little extra for that Mad In USA label?

What about sales tax breaks or refunds for purchased items that are made in the USA? I am the first to admit that economics makes my head hurt, but maybe a partial or full refund program to raise awareness regarding the importance of buying US made products? Or would the net effect be a negative?

Seems hypocritical when people bitch about the elites using off shore accounts, take advantage of cheaper foriegn labor, .etc, while at the same time using the products made by those same people to save a few bucks.

 

[Jaskalas]

No, offshoring money, outsourcing during record profits, insider trading, back room deals, etc etc etc and we don't like it.

But you sure bailed it out, thanks for that.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

What about sales tax breaks or refunds for purchased items that are made in the USA? I am the first to admit that economics makes my head hurt, but maybe a partial or full refund program to raise awareness regarding the importance of buying US made products? Or would the net effect be a negative?

Seems hypocritical when people bitch about the elites using off shore accounts, take advantage of cheaper foriegn labor, .etc, while at the same time using the products made by those same people to save a few bucks.

I don't know if that could realistically be done but how about a revamp of the made in USA tag/logo I've been doing my best to buy US made things maybe some basic public service announcements and some standards to ensure its really made in America.

 

[davmat787]

I don't know if that could realistically be done but how about a revamp of the made in USA tag/logo I've been doing my best to buy US made things maybe some basic public service announcements and some standards to ensure its really made in America.

There is info out there, see http://www.ftc.gov/os/statutes/usajump.shtm . Just search for Made in USA standard. But I get what you are saying, you want something more along the lines of "The more you know!" type ads on TV detailing the importance of buying American made stuff. What that would require would be very easy to understand numbers or graphs of why it is in that viewers best interest to purchase US made stuff.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

But you sure bailed it out, thanks for that.

Are you talking about the bailout that was pushed through our legislative brach despite the huge amount of citizens that asked their elected officials not to do so?

 

[Jhhnn]

Raising the top marginal income tax rate will not reduce inequalities in wealth nor will will it give the government more revenue... unless it starts in the middle class range. The U.S. govt has the most progressive tax system in the world. The 70% top marginal income tax rates you hear about in Europe start at about the equivalent of $150k of income. They also have higher "national insurance" tax rates and a VAT.

That's how Mitt & others like him pay 15% in federal taxes- Because we have the most progressive taxes in the world?

The Democrats can go ahead and raise the top marginal income tax rate to 100% of everything after $1mn in income for all I care, because it will only backfire in their faces by people evading it and the govt getting far less revenue than it would get with the Bush tax cuts.

False attribution with bonus unsubstantiated conclusion.

It also makes the Democrats look really stupid, IMO, when they're trying to wage a class war and looking for money to redistribute without even advocating a net worth tax. Democrats are dumbfucks in addition to their hypocrisy when it comes to economics. Republicans are hypocrites when they advocate the free market, but at least they've always known how to be pro-corporate welfare. The pro-redistributionist Dems (like Obama), on the other hand, have no idea how to even achieve their ultimate goal of "soaking the fuck out of the rich". They lack the ability to think outside the box, and then they're telling me that I don't know anything about economics... the irony, the fucking irony.

The only class warfare being waged in this country is from the top down, the way it's been for the last 30 years.

That curve gets flatter in the middle & pointier at the top all the time...

 

[DrewSG3]

We've spent the last 30 years squeezing every last dollar out of the lower and middle class, and wonder why we can't spend our way out of a recession anymore.

 

[shadow9d9]

I'd hate to call you a liar, but I haven't seen any of your posts that resemble anything like Libertarian or conservative thinking. So I won't call you a liar.

This is the new joke when it comes to the right wing. If you don't repeat the talking points of the off the cliff super extreme right that is the republican party, EVERYONE ELSE must be "liberal."

The idea that the democrats are middle/right would make their brain explode. If you move so far to the right that every opposing view equals "liberal" in your eyes... well.. you don't see a problem with that?