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I hate Xmas.

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THAT"S THE PROBLEM. That Christmas has become an economic holiday. It's much more about fourth quarter reports than about the birth of Christ. The two should be seperated, and secular christianity shouldn't become the defacto economic religion because it's good for the American economy. If Christmas is really a holiday it should have nothing to do with presents.
 
Maybe you should convert to Judaism or some other ism that doesn't celebrate Christmas. No one is forcing you to spend money or give gifts.

Christmas is a holiday which has many traditions. One of these traditions is giving presents to loved ones. Get over it.
 
Originally posted by: Pokey007
When did this holiday turn from a religious holiday to a perverse commerical holiday. Shouldn't it be about the birth of Chirst and not about presents?
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you're the one who replaced the "christ" with an "x," which is clearly a symbol for commercialism.
 
Originally posted by: notfred
Originally posted by: Wingznut
Originally posted by: Pokey007
I'm not Catholic either, but let's face the facts. Christmas is more about December sales than an religious significance. Why should America have an Economic holiday? Doesn't this just embody consumerism?
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You don't find it enjoyable to exchange presents with loved ones? Or see the anticipation/joy on the faces of the little ones?

Btw... What the hell is "consumerism"? The act of buying or selling goods? Isn't that what a democratic economy is all about???
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Democracy is not an economic system.
de·moc·ra·cy     P   Pronunciation Key  (d-mkr-s)
n. pl. de·moc·ra·cies
1. Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.

2. A political or social unit that has such a government.

3. The common people, considered as the primary source of political power.

4. Majority rule.

5. The principles of social equality and respect for the individual within a community.
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Following up on that, a Democracy can have a socialist economy, a capitalist economy (which is actually what you're referring to), or a combination of the two (which is pretty much every economy in the world, just varying in degree to one side or the other).
 
Originally posted by: Pokey007
When did this holiday turn from a religious holiday to a perverse commerical holiday. Shouldn't it be about the birth of Chirst and not about presents?
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Celebrate it in the matter that best fits you. In the US Christmas is also about spending time with family and helping people who are in need.

I recommend that you do not lock up on what you consider to be the negative aspects of this holiday, and do something positive for your family, friends, loved ones, and people who need help.

Happy Holidays every one!
 
A holiday is "about" whatever the people celebrating it decide it should be about.I view Xmas as a time of brightness and warmth,lights shining brightly against the cold dark winter and as a time of expressing caring and giving,it is also a time of reflection,remembering the years that have passed and those whom I have loved who are no longer present and gratitude for the people and things I have in my life now.
 
Originally posted by: dartworth
Originally posted by: Pokey007
How many people actually go to mass on Xmas?
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Not everyone is Catholic...

If you want Christmas to be about God and religion, why take Christ out of Christmas and call it xmas?
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hmm. I made a similar comment before reading the rest of the thread, but I was just being an ass. I believe x is the greek letter chi, which stands for christ. something like that anyway...
 
Ancient celebrations of the solstice included bringing greenry into the home and lighting the dark with fires. Also included was an orgy.

Why have we lost the best of the ancient traditions.

Ham is good! So's Turkey... Hmm ham and turkey sounds best!

Celebrate the Solstice!
 
Originally posted by: Pokey007
When did this holiday turn from a religious holiday to a perverse commerical holiday. Shouldn't it be about the birth of Chirst and not about presents?
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turned into a commercial holiday a lonf time ago
 
Originally posted by: notfred
Originally posted by: Wingznut
Originally posted by: Pokey007
I'm not Catholic either, but let's face the facts. Christmas is more about December sales than an religious significance. Why should America have an Economic holiday? Doesn't this just embody consumerism?
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You don't find it enjoyable to exchange presents with loved ones? Or see the anticipation/joy on the faces of the little ones?

Btw... What the hell is "consumerism"? The act of buying or selling goods? Isn't that what a democratic economy is all about???
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Democracy is not an economic system.
de·moc·ra·cy     P   Pronunciation Key  (d-mkr-s)
n. pl. de·moc·ra·cies
1. Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.

2. A political or social unit that has such a government.

3. The common people, considered as the primary source of political power.

4. Majority rule.

5. The principles of social equality and respect for the individual within a community.
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First off... Thanks for the definition, although I never said that "democracy" is an economic state. By combining the terms "democratic" and "economy" I was referring to an economy within a democratic state. But even though you knew what I meant, you still had to insert your passive-agressive copy/paste of the definition (inferring that I am ignorant.) Lame.
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Originally posted by: ThaGrandCow
Originally posted by: Wingznut
Originally posted by: Pokey007
I'm not Catholic either, but let's face the facts. Christmas is more about December sales than an religious significance. Why should America have an Economic holiday? Doesn't this just embody consumerism?
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You don't find it enjoyable to exchange presents with loved ones? Or see the anticipation/joy on the faces of the little ones?

Btw... What the hell is "consumerism"? The act of buying or selling goods? Isn't that what a democratic economy is all about???
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It's not about forcing the stress of finding the perfect present for every person in your family at one time. Or battling massive hordes of other holiday shoppers. At least, that's what it wasn't originally about.
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I wish someone would tell my wife that. We get gifts for peeps we've (she) only met once. It's insanity.
 
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