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God can never lose.
If God 'grants' your prayers it's a miracle and proof of his existence.
If your prayers don't come true then it was for a greater reason aka "God works in mysterious ways", "sometimes God's greatest gift is unanswered prayers".
Either way, no matter what happens in the life of a believer, the big guy in the sky comes out smelling like a rose.
Man, what a brilliant grift.
If God 'grants' your prayers it's a miracle and proof of his existence.
If your prayers don't come true then it was for a greater reason aka "God works in mysterious ways", "sometimes God's greatest gift is unanswered prayers".
Either way, no matter what happens in the life of a believer, the big guy in the sky comes out smelling like a rose.
Man, what a brilliant grift.
irishScott
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People who believe in all this fatalist sh!t are simply people who can't think for themselves. They can find no purpose in life, therefore they resign themselves to the fact that a higher being has a purpose for them. Since they can't know the purpose, they must live for it. Without purpose, we'd all still be apes running around in the woods. The invention of fire was not a miracle, it was an ape attempting to survive more efficiently.
What religions boil down to is a system of values enforced by faith. My personal view is that if you wish to believe in a faith, that is your perogative. But if your going to apply those faith-enforced values to the real world, you better have some non-religious backing for it. EX: Many people believe that embryos should not be used for stem cell research because it kills them, and thus a violation of god's commandments. You know what's going to happen to those embryos? Their going to get thrown in the trash! How about we honor their deaths by saving some lives with them?
What religions boil down to is a system of values enforced by faith. My personal view is that if you wish to believe in a faith, that is your perogative. But if your going to apply those faith-enforced values to the real world, you better have some non-religious backing for it. EX: Many people believe that embryos should not be used for stem cell research because it kills them, and thus a violation of god's commandments. You know what's going to happen to those embryos? Their going to get thrown in the trash! How about we honor their deaths by saving some lives with them?
HamburgerBoy
Lifer
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Although I am a Christian (and one often accused of fundamentalism as well) I have to agree. Just the idea of God getting bored up in heaven and randomly blessing certain people out of car crashes and in turn damning other people to them is just silly IMO.
This thread smells of flamebait....
Why not consider just telling them you're offended?
Also, it's interesting to note that actually those christians who don't behave the way those 2 are behaving, are actually not living up to the full requirements of their religion. It's like "moderate" muslims are actually muslims who failed to obey all of their god's words. Christians who don't start crusades against non-believers are failing their god as well.
Why not consider just telling them you're offended?
Also, it's interesting to note that actually those christians who don't behave the way those 2 are behaving, are actually not living up to the full requirements of their religion. It's like "moderate" muslims are actually muslims who failed to obey all of their god's words. Christians who don't start crusades against non-believers are failing their god as well.
yhelothar
Lifer
- Dec 11, 2002
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Originally posted by: dopcombo
This thread smells of flamebait....
Why not consider just telling them you're offended?
Also, it's interesting to note that actually those christians who don't behave the way those 2 are behaving, are actually not living up to the full requirements of their religion. It's like "moderate" muslims are actually muslims who failed to obey all of their god's words. Christians who don't start crusades against non-believers are failing their god as well.
It's interesting that you bring up the crusades. Usually if one encounters a typical modern christians about the horrible atrocities of crusades, they will argue that those christians that participated in crusades aren't real christians. Typical christians today will associate anything negative about their religion to not really being a part of their religion.
I hate it when christian preachers try to convert people by telling them about miracles. About how since there are miracles then there must be a God. Funny how they never mention all the bad things that occur at a much frequent rate than the one-in-a-million miracles do.
Gamingphreek
Lifer
- Mar 31, 2003
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Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: dopcombo
This thread smells of flamebait....
Why not consider just telling them you're offended?
Also, it's interesting to note that actually those christians who don't behave the way those 2 are behaving, are actually not living up to the full requirements of their religion. It's like "moderate" muslims are actually muslims who failed to obey all of their god's words. Christians who don't start crusades against non-believers are failing their god as well.
It's interesting that you bring up the crusades. Usually if one encounters a typical modern christians about the horrible atrocities of crusades, they will argue that those christians that participated in crusades aren't real christians. Typical christians today will associate anything negative about their religion to not really being a part of their religion.
I have never heard of these excuses. No one doubts the crusades, but it is a testy subject because often we Christians (just like every other religion) like to think of our religion as unfallible when of course that is false.
As in most religions, the religion may be infallible, but the peoples interpretation and actions based on that interpretation are fallible.
-Kevin
the only time relgion is good is when you sign your mates up for jehova's witnesses and they come round their houses to regal them with BS.
So, am I supposed to believe that when my favorite multi-millionaire sports hero catches a football or wins a game that god didn't make that happen?
yah right!
yah right!
yhelothar
Lifer
- Dec 11, 2002
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Really?
If the cup of water in front of me suddenly turned to wine.. I'd believe it was a miracle.
If my keyboard all of the sudden transformed into a solid brick of gold.. I'd believe it was a miracle.
If I met my soulmate tomorrow from randomly talking to her on the bus.. I wouldn't believe that is a miracle.
I live in Salt Lake City, so I'm surrounded by a lot of fundamentalists. One of them is always very skeptical about what is found on Wikipedia, since it was written by people whose credentials are uncertain. Yet he lives his life by the bible, which was compiled into its current state in the Constantinian era by a committee of opposing Christian representatives.
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