I hate it how Christians attribute random events of life to "miracles."

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: Adn4n
I live in Salt Lake City, so I'm surrounded by a lot of fundamentalists. One of them is always very skeptical about what is found on Wikipedia, since it was written by people whose credentials are uncertain. Yet he lives his life by the bible, which was compiled into its current state in the Constantinian era by a committee of opposing Christian representatives.

That's not too surprising that he would think that way.
He does not follow his own reasoning or logic, but accepts the word of the authority. God is the ultimate authority, thus he has no problem in believing the bible. But yet, he cannot use logic/reasoning to decide what's credible in wikipedia. He can only decide that the subjects are not written by an authority figure.

 

[Preyhunter]

<Moonbeam voice>People fear that which they hate.</Moonbeam voice>

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: DainBramaged
I had dinner with my grandparents and their friends whom they haven't seen in ages, tonight. The couple kept sharing these stories about minor, everyday events and then attritubed them to god. WTH...do they *seriously* think that god determines when their car tire blows out? Do they really think that it was God that made them run into an old friend that they hadn't seen in a year? Come on, these are seemingly educated people who spout this crap. I find it almost nauseous. My grandparents are getting a little edgy also, but the couple keeps doing it.

You know what? Here's some tap water, turn it into motherfvcking wine. Here's my friend with cancer, heal her. Here's my dead friend, raise him from the grave. Otherwise quit fvcking talking to me about the angels that you see. Come back to me when you quit hopping up on LSD. :roll:

I consider that the fact that you posted this thread....


A MIRACLE!

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: mchammer

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: mchammer

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: mchammer

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: dxkj
I hate how Heathens always think these 1 in 1,000,000 things that happen are just random, and not being directed by some greater power. Sure there is a chance that everything will line up and these things will happen, but for how often they happen, it is obviously a miracle most of the time.

......riiiiighhhtttt

Originally posted by: mchammer
Way to tolerate others beleifs :thumbsup:

Do you know what tolerance is? Tolerance is respecting the right that they can say what they want. Qualifying the beliefs isn't beling intolerant it just means that one has a negative opinion of those specific beliefs. Think of tolerance as an abstract concept and specific beliefs as being able to be criticized.

So you don't think anti-gay protesters are intolerant then?

The question is if "anti-gay protestors" would tolerate a "gay" to be who they are or not. If the answer is no, they don't believe that gays should be the way they are, then they are intolerant by definition.

No they would not be, only if they tried to prevent them from being gay.

Read my first post -- consider "tolerance" in the abstract concept of "recognizing one's right to exist." End the definition there. The definition is or it isn't.

So then they are tolerant, what is the problem here?

IDK, you asked the original question here.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: DainBramaged
I had dinner with my grandparents and their friends whom they haven't seen in ages, tonight. The couple kept sharing these stories about minor, everyday events and then attritubed them to god. WTH...do they *seriously* think that god determines when their car tire blows out? Do they really think that it was God that made them run into an old friend that they hadn't seen in a year? Come on, these are seemingly educated people who spout this crap. I find it almost nauseous. My grandparents are getting a little edgy also, but the couple keeps doing it.

You know what? Here's some tap water, turn it into motherfvcking wine. Here's my friend with cancer, heal her. Here's my dead friend, raise him from the grave. Otherwise quit fvcking talking to me about the angels that you see. Come back to me when you quit hopping up on LSD. :roll:

The wine into water I can not attest to. But I know several who were given up to die from cancer that are completely healed today with no signs of cancer. I can't say I know firsthand of someone being raised from the dead, but I can attest to someone who has seen it and that person I trust.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: dxkj
I hate how Heathens always think these 1 in 1,000,000 things that happen are just random, and not being directed by some greater power. Sure there is a chance that everything will line up and these things will happen, but for how often they happen, it is obviously a miracle most of the time.

:roll:

 

[OrganizedChaos]

what bugs me is when they give credit to god for another persons hard work

its a miracle, i don't know how i survived that car accident- god didn't save you a guy sitting in his cubicle did.
its a miracle, i didn't ever think I'd see my baby again. - god didn't find your baby, an overworked underpaid cop did.
its a miracle, i thought for sure i was going to die.- god didn't save you, the surgeon thats been digging around in your chest for the last 10 hours did.

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: DainBramaged
I had dinner with my grandparents and their friends whom they haven't seen in ages, tonight. The couple kept sharing these stories about minor, everyday events and then attritubed them to god. WTH...do they *seriously* think that god determines when their car tire blows out? Do they really think that it was God that made them run into an old friend that they hadn't seen in a year? Come on, these are seemingly educated people who spout this crap. I find it almost nauseous. My grandparents are getting a little edgy also, but the couple keeps doing it.

You know what? Here's some tap water, turn it into motherfvcking wine. Here's my friend with cancer, heal her. Here's my dead friend, raise him from the grave. Otherwise quit fvcking talking to me about the angels that you see. Come back to me when you quit hopping up on LSD. :roll:

The wine into water I can not attest to. But I know several who were given up to die from cancer that are completely healed today with no signs of cancer. I can't say I know firsthand of someone being raised from the dead, but I can attest to someone who has seen it and that person I trust.

That happens pretty often with chemotherapy, or removal of the cancer cells through surgery.
So when someone recovers from cancer.. it's god's work.. but when someone dies from cancer.. then what? God is being mysterious? What about people that die from ebola? God hates them?
So if someone you trust says he's seen someone come back from the dead.. you'd believe him unquestionably? Baaaaah.

 

[uberman]

This looks like the work of the Christian right. I wish it had caught on.
[http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_jul2006/GoodWifesGuide.htm]

 

[parker0522]

There is know reason any human should wonder why someone dies or someone lives. Nor should we what makes a miracle a miracle. We are not all knowing. Not in a million years will we ever be able to comprehend what God is doing or thinking. As for free will, we all have it. The choices that we make in this world are ours to make. The lord gives us millions of choices a minute, but it is ultimately our choice. That is not to say that it isn't pre-destined. God knows which choices we will make, but he lets us choose so that we will make the mistakes and learn. There is no other way to learn. But anyways, for those of you with faith hold onto it. Those of you without faith in the Lord, I pray that one day you will know what it feels like to give everything that you are and everything that you hold dear to the "One True God."

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: OrganizedChaos
what bugs me is when they give credit to god for another persons hard work

its a miracle, i don't know how i survived that car accident- god didn't save you a guy sitting in his cubicle did.
its a miracle, i didn't ever think I'd see my baby again. - god didn't find your baby, an overworked underpaid cop did.
its a miracle, i thought for sure i was going to die.- god didn't save you, the surgeon thats been digging around in your chest for the last 10 hours did.

Again it is a matter of perspective. Some would attribute the people working in you life to and omnipotent G-d working in the background.

A playwriter almost never gets involved on the stage, the actors involved in the play don't interact directly with the playwriter on performance night, but the playwriter was the key role in the overall story.

Again a perspecitive issue.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: TimMyMac
some people have trust in a higher power. When you know that power has control of your life, when've you've submitted fully to it. It's not a thing of possibility. Life happens for a reason.

yah thats called being a brainwashed sheep... life doesnt happen for any reason.. we are just an animal just like any other... sex happens... violence happens... there is no all mighty BS power watching over us or telling us what to do..
when you die I hate to tell you dudes... the ONLY PLACE YOU GO IS TO BECOME WORM FOOD...

So live your life HOW YOU WANT TO... not how some fictional being tells you you should in a book that was written as fiction to give people a moral ideal idea of what path to walk..

its all BS..

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: uberman
This looks like the work of the Christian right. I wish it had caught on.
[http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_jul2006/GoodWifesGuide.htm]

Where in there does it lead you to believe that is Christian?

-Kevin

 

[Kanalua]

from my expierience Liberal-atheists are the most intolerant class of persons I've ever been around.

(lived in Ireland, Norther Ireland, Utah...and now living in Hawaii, going to a heavily liberal slanted law school).

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: Kanalua
from my expierience Liberal-atheists are the most intolerant class of persons I've ever been around.

(lived in Ireland, Norther Ireland, Utah...and now living in Hawaii, going to a heavily liberal slanted law school).

Funny, because I've never met ONE atheist that has been intolerant... meanwhile my In-laws are religious nuts that we had to move out of the state to avoid... I have had 4 people knock on my door trying to convert me to their religion this year alone! I;ve never had a single problem when dealing with "atheists".

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Kanalua
from my expierience Liberal-atheists are the most intolerant class of persons I've ever been around.

(lived in Ireland, Norther Ireland, Utah...and now living in Hawaii, going to a heavily liberal slanted law school).

If a group were to move in next to you, and preach about immorality of peach yogurt, and all other dairy products because they're prohibited by a Giant Talking Fly - you'd seriously thing they were nuts. Replace yogurt with same sex marriage, dairy products with sin, and Talking fly with the God, and you've got a pretty current picture of many people professing to be Christians (and religion overall) - yet society see's that as generally acceptable.

How can you honestly ask them to be tolerant, in a world filled with people who believe in imaginary beings in the sky are controlling our lives on earth? How can you expect their tolerance, when the majority is self ruled via a doctrine that is unprovable, and unfounded outside of their religious experience?

 

[So]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: OrganizedChaos
what bugs me is when they give credit to god for another persons hard work

its a miracle, i don't know how i survived that car accident- god didn't save you a guy sitting in his cubicle did.
its a miracle, i didn't ever think I'd see my baby again. - god didn't find your baby, an overworked underpaid cop did.
its a miracle, i thought for sure i was going to die.- god didn't save you, the surgeon thats been digging around in your chest for the last 10 hours did.

Again it is a matter of perspective. Some would attribute the people working in you life to and omnipotent G-d working in the background.

A playwriter almost never gets involved on the stage, the actors involved in the play don't interact directly with the playwriter on performance night, but the playwriter was the key role in the overall story.

Again a perspecitive issue.

By that argument, everyone else is an automaton and reality is just god putting on one horrible truman show for you. People can't have freewill and be tools of god simultaneously.

 

[uberman]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: uberman
This looks like the work of the Christian right. I wish it had caught on.
[http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_jul2006/GoodWifesGuide.htm]

Where in there does it lead you to believe that is Christian?

-Kevin

There is a strong Christian right present in this country as we evolve from a democracy into a theocracy which is where we are now. I emailed this to a friend who felt it was the work of the christian right. I concur.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: uberman

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: uberman
This looks like the work of the Christian right. I wish it had caught on.
[http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_jul2006/GoodWifesGuide.htm]

Where in there does it lead you to believe that is Christian?

-Kevin

There is a strong Christian right as we evolve from a democracy into a theocracy as where we are now. I emailed this to a friend who felt it was the work of the christian right. I concur.

Oh please we are not a theocracy.

Is your friend a religious expert? Is he an acclaimed scholar? Somehow I doubt it. It seems to me that you are using that article just to further your argument without any real support to back your belief.

To me, it could be Christian, it could be a completely different religion. Also remember the Christian religion, as with other religions has gone through many different reforms, as different interpretations come about.

-Kevin

Edit: Please note; however, that I am not denying that there is a strong Christian presence in America, or that there is a religious presence in our government. But we are still FAR from a theocracy.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: uberman

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: uberman
This looks like the work of the Christian right. I wish it had caught on.
[http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_jul2006/GoodWifesGuide.htm]

Where in there does it lead you to believe that is Christian?

-Kevin

There is a strong Christian right present in this country as we evolve from a democracy into a theocracy which is where we are now. I emailed this to a friend who felt it was the work of the christian right. I concur.

What are you, stupid? The US is now a theocracy?

You kids today make me both :laugh: and

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: OrganizedChaos
what bugs me is when they give credit to god for another persons hard work

its a miracle, i don't know how i survived that car accident- god didn't save you a guy sitting in his cubicle did.
its a miracle, i didn't ever think I'd see my baby again. - god didn't find your baby, an overworked underpaid cop did.
its a miracle, i thought for sure i was going to die.- god didn't save you, the surgeon thats been digging around in your chest for the last 10 hours did.

Again it is a matter of perspective. Some would attribute the people working in you life to and omnipotent G-d working in the background.

A playwriter almost never gets involved on the stage, the actors involved in the play don't interact directly with the playwriter on performance night, but the playwriter was the key role in the overall story.

Again a perspecitive issue.

By that argument, everyone else is an automaton and reality is just god putting on one horrible truman show for you. People can't have freewill and be tools of god simultaneously.

It's possible. I would call it "relative free will." Ultimately, everyone would be "tools of god" but we, as the actors playing out the script that we don't see, don't know this. Therefore, we believe that our actions are independent of causes and thus we have free will. Everything we know and believe would lead us to the belief that we have free will (the relative part) but ultimately we are just cogs in the grand machine of life.

It's certainly possible.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: uberman

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: uberman
This looks like the work of the Christian right. I wish it had caught on.
[http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_jul2006/GoodWifesGuide.htm]

Where in there does it lead you to believe that is Christian?

-Kevin

There is a strong Christian right present in this country as we evolve from a democracy into a theocracy which is where we are now. I emailed this to a friend who felt it was the work of the christian right. I concur.

Actually - it's the product of our society. At the time (the 50's) - it was the general belief by Doctors, Professional, and Psychologists that women belonged in the home, and they should be fulfilled and happy with life if they just became good housewives. Society didn't believe that women were capable of being anything OTHER than housewives, and that article is a perfect manifestation of that unrealistic concept.

If you don't believe me - read "The Feminine Mystique" by Betty Friedan, she does some great analysis of the subject.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: OrganizedChaos
what bugs me is when they give credit to god for another persons hard work

its a miracle, i don't know how i survived that car accident- god didn't save you a guy sitting in his cubicle did.
its a miracle, i didn't ever think I'd see my baby again. - god didn't find your baby, an overworked underpaid cop did.
its a miracle, i thought for sure i was going to die.- god didn't save you, the surgeon thats been digging around in your chest for the last 10 hours did.

Again it is a matter of perspective. Some would attribute the people working in you life to and omnipotent G-d working in the background.

A playwriter almost never gets involved on the stage, the actors involved in the play don't interact directly with the playwriter on performance night, but the playwriter was the key role in the overall story.

Again a perspecitive issue.

By that argument, everyone else is an automaton and reality is just god putting on one horrible truman show for you. People can't have freewill and be tools of god simultaneously.

It's possible. I would call it "relative free will." Ultimately, everyone would be "tools of god" but we, as the actors playing out the script that we don't see, don't know this. Therefore, we believe that our actions are independent of causes and thus we have free will. Everything we know and believe would lead us to the belief that we have free will (the relative part) but ultimately we are just cogs in the grand machine of life.

It's certainly possible.

Surprisingly, I actually accept that argument more or less completely (do we have an AT first!?!?) -- since it's very similar to the one I used to reconcile scientific determinism with freewill.

 

[z42]

Originally posted by: GuideBot
Dain, does it really matter? Who freaking cares? I don't see how it negatively changes the way you live your life and in a way that you cannot control or ignore.

:thumbsup:

Apparently they are happy and the "God thing" works for them. Are you upset that they are happy?

I'm assuming that in their worldview they feel that God controls everything, and they use the term "miracles" very loosely to describe a beneficial event. For the record, I agree with you that a lot of religious people overuse the concept of miracles as well as the whole "being attacked by Satan/demons" idea. But it doesn't bother me. If I were in your shoes, I would probably ask them questions about why they think everything is a miracle. Maybe they will realize that they sound like wackos and use more appropriate words.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: uberman
This looks like the work of the Christian right. I wish it had caught on.
[http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_jul2006/GoodWifesGuide.htm]

That was a hoax. Never a real article.