I hate it how Christians attribute random events of life to "miracles."

[z42]

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: mchammer

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: dxkj
I hate how Heathens always think these 1 in 1,000,000 things that happen are just random, and not being directed by some greater power. Sure there is a chance that everything will line up and these things will happen, but for how often they happen, it is obviously a miracle most of the time.

......riiiiighhhtttt

Originally posted by: mchammer
Way to tolerate others beleifs :thumbsup:

Do you know what tolerance is? Tolerance is respecting the right that they can say what they want. Qualifying the beliefs isn't beling intolerant it just means that one has a negative opinion of those specific beliefs. Think of tolerance as an abstract concept and specific beliefs as being able to be criticized.

So you don't think anti-gay protesters are intolerant then?

The question is if "anti-gay protestors" would tolerate a "gay" to be who they are or not. If the answer is no, they don't believe that gays should be the way they are, then they are intolerant by definition.

Isn't that statement intolerant by definition? If it's intolerant for them to think being gay isn't ok, isn't it also intolerant for you to think that what they believe is not ok?

 

[uberman]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: uberman

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: uberman
This looks like the work of the Christian right. I wish it had caught on.
[http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_jul2006/GoodWifesGuide.htm]

Where in there does it lead you to believe that is Christian?

-Kevin

There is a strong Christian right as we evolve from a democracy into a theocracy as where we are now. I emailed this to a friend who felt it was the work of the christian right. I concur.

Oh please we are not a theocracy.

Is your friend a religious expert? Is he an acclaimed scholar? Somehow I doubt it. It seems to me that you are using that article just to further your argument without any real support to back your belief.

To me, it could be Christian, it could be a completely different religion. Also remember the Christian religion, as with other religions has gone through many different reforms, as different interpretations come about.

-Kevin

Edit: Please note; however, that I am not denying that there is a strong Christian presence in America, or that there is a religious presence in our government. But we are still FAR from a theocracy.

Yes, I still believe that we live in a theoracy. Many will die, and many are suffering due to bans on stem cell research. There will be no relief for their suffering. This ban on research will push this country into the dark ages while other countries strive to advance medical science. The blood is on the hands of the christian right who drive our governments decisions. Many will die, many will suffer.
I respect your opinion. It is yours, and you are entitled to it. Religion is an endless polemic. Some people choose to believe religious and absract beliefs over scientific fact. It is belief over fact. I choose fact.

 

[Kanalua]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: Kanalua
from my expierience Liberal-atheists are the most intolerant class of persons I've ever been around.

(lived in Ireland, Norther Ireland, Utah...and now living in Hawaii, going to a heavily liberal slanted law school).

Funny, because I've never met ONE atheist that has been intolerant... meanwhile my In-laws are religious nuts that we had to move out of the state to avoid... I have had 4 people knock on my door trying to convert me to their religion this year alone! I;ve never had a single problem when dealing with "atheists".

Whoa...when is knocking on someones door for religious evangelism intolerance? I think you miss understood the assignment.

Since moving back to Hawaii, and going to a very liberal law school, I've heard more statements of intolerance from those liberals and/or atheists, than at any other time I've lived in Christian communities.

You're own statement proves my point. Calling someone religious nuts and running away, that is the defenition of intolerance. Don't believe me? Merriam-Webster or Wiki: Intolerance.

I know it's hard to accept that you are doing exactly what you accuse others of being...twice (intolerant and a hypocrite)...you'll get through this...

 

[Kanalua]

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: Kanalua
from my expierience Liberal-atheists are the most intolerant class of persons I've ever been around.

(lived in Ireland, Norther Ireland, Utah...and now living in Hawaii, going to a heavily liberal slanted law school).

If a group were to move in next to you, and preach about immorality of peach yogurt, and all other dairy products because they're prohibited by a Giant Talking Fly - you'd seriously thing they were nuts. Replace yogurt with same sex marriage, dairy products with sin, and Talking fly with the God, and you've got a pretty current picture of many people professing to be Christians (and religion overall) - yet society see's that as generally acceptable.

How can you honestly ask them to be tolerant, in a world filled with people who believe in imaginary beings in the sky are controlling our lives on earth? How can you expect their tolerance, when the majority is self ruled via a doctrine that is unprovable, and unfounded outside of their religious experience?

So you should only be tolerant of those who don't annoy you or only believe in what you believe in? Isn't that the opposite of arguments liberal/atheists make when saying advocating for their free speech/equal rights arguments?

Wow...looks like you have a problem on your hands...If you want persons and people to allow you to freely believe what you want, you kinda have to allow others to believe in what they want...otherwise you become that person...you know...the hypocrite...



...ouch...

 

[uberman]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: uberman
This looks like the work of the Christian right. I wish it had caught on.
[http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_jul2006/GoodWifesGuide.htm]

That was a hoax. Never a real article.

Actually, I believe that's real. I used to use a lot of similar articles from 1950's magazines in a class, Equity Issues.
Here's an ad I remember from Newsweek. It's a picture of a smiling girl holding a shiny frying pan. The caption read, "Give a girl something she can use the rest of her life...Make sure it's made of long lasting Armico Stainless Steel."
If you don't believe me, go to the library and go thru Newsweek from 1950 to 1960. Look at the ads. I did this, it's amazing.

 

[Dacalo]

I hate it when atheists and Christians alike blame God for any misfortunes. It was God's will and such.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: uberman
Here's an ad I remember from Newsweek. It's a picture of a smiling girl holding a shiny frying pan. The caption read, "Give a girl something she can use the rest of her life...Make sure it's made of long lasting Armio Stainless Steel."

LOL :laugh: that would so get you slapped these days.

 

[uberman]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: uberman
Here's an ad I remember from Newsweek. It's a picture of a smiling girl holding a shiny frying pan. The caption read, "Give a girl something she can use the rest of her life...Make sure it's made of long lasting Armico Stainless Steel."

LOL :laugh: that would so get you slapped these days.

I have these ads scanned and saved on disk. I apolgize that I cannot post them now. Perhaps I can another time. Its kinda like where is the disk? and Which disk?

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Kanalua

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: Kanalua
from my expierience Liberal-atheists are the most intolerant class of persons I've ever been around.

(lived in Ireland, Norther Ireland, Utah...and now living in Hawaii, going to a heavily liberal slanted law school).

If a group were to move in next to you, and preach about immorality of peach yogurt, and all other dairy products because they're prohibited by a Giant Talking Fly - you'd seriously thing they were nuts. Replace yogurt with same sex marriage, dairy products with sin, and Talking fly with the God, and you've got a pretty current picture of many people professing to be Christians (and religion overall) - yet society see's that as generally acceptable.

How can you honestly ask them to be tolerant, in a world filled with people who believe in imaginary beings in the sky are controlling our lives on earth? How can you expect their tolerance, when the majority is self ruled via a doctrine that is unprovable, and unfounded outside of their religious experience?

So you should only be tolerant of those who don't annoy you or only believe in what you believe in? Isn't that the opposite of arguments liberal/atheists make when saying advocating for their free speech/equal rights arguments?

Wow...looks like you have a problem on your hands...If you want persons and people to allow you to freely believe what you want, you kinda have to allow others to believe in what they want...otherwise you become that person...you know...the hypocrite...



...ouch...

I don't care if people have different beliefs - but don't expect me to accept or respect any possible injection of that belief into the laws of a society, just as what is happening in the US. That said - I may think someone is nuts for certain beliefs, but that doesn't make me intolerant of them - they're free to believe what they want.

 

[kranky]

Originally posted by: ubermanMany will die, and many are suffering due to bans on stem cell research. There will be no relief for their suffering. This ban on research will push this country into the dark ages while other countries strive to advance medical science. The blood is on the hands of the christian right who drive our governments decisions. Many will die, many will suffer.

There's no ban on stem cell research. Where did you get that idea?

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: uberman

Actually, I believe that's real. I used to use a lot of similar articles from 1950's magazines in a class, Equity Issues.
Here's an ad I remember from Newsweek. It's a picture of a smiling girl holding a shiny frying pan. The caption read, "Give a girl something she can use the rest of her life...Make sure it's made of long lasting Armico Stainless Steel."
If you don't believe me, go to the library and go thru Newsweek from 1950 to 1960. Look at the ads. I did this, it's amazing.

Honestly, though, I don't see what's wrong with that. For instance, last Christmas I asked my girlfriend what she wanted, maybe a digital camera, cash, new TV, etc. She wanted kitchen stuff like expensive pans. She loves to cook... of course she's going to want good tools, just like I don't want cheap tools when I work on my car. Craftsman or Snap-on are so much better than the crap you can buy at Pep Boys or Harbor Freight.

Not all women want to be annoying feminazis.

 

[dethman]

Originally posted by: DainBramaged
You know what? Here's some tap water, turn it into motherfvcking wine. Here's my friend with cancer, heal her. Here's my dead friend, raise him from the grave. Otherwise quit fvcking talking to me about the angels that you see. Come back to me when you quit hopping up on LSD. :roll:

amen.

 

[uberman]

Originally posted by: kranky

Originally posted by: ubermanMany will die, and many are suffering due to bans on stem cell research. There will be no relief for their suffering. This ban on research will push this country into the dark ages while other countries strive to advance medical science. The blood is on the hands of the christian right who drive our governments decisions. Many will die, many will suffer.

There's no ban on stem cell research. Where did you get that idea?

Newsmedia, government laws, doctors

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: uberman

Originally posted by: kranky

Originally posted by: ubermanMany will die, and many are suffering due to bans on stem cell research. There will be no relief for their suffering. This ban on research will push this country into the dark ages while other countries strive to advance medical science. The blood is on the hands of the christian right who drive our governments decisions. Many will die, many will suffer.

There's no ban on stem cell research. Where did you get that idea?

Newsmedia, government laws, doctors

Not so.

The ban is the use of federal money to be used on stem cell research.

 

[uberman]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: uberman

Actually, I believe that's real. I used to use a lot of similar articles from 1950's magazines in a class, Equity Issues.
Here's an ad I remember from Newsweek. It's a picture of a smiling girl holding a shiny frying pan. The caption read, "Give a girl something she can use the rest of her life...Make sure it's made of long lasting Armico Stainless Steel."
If you don't believe me, go to the library and go thru Newsweek from 1950 to 1960. Look at the ads. I did this, it's amazing.

Honestly, though, I don't see what's wrong with that. For instance, last Christmas I asked my girlfriend what she wanted, maybe a digital camera, cash, new TV, etc. She wanted kitchen stuff like expensive pans. She loves to cook... of course she's going to want good tools, just like I don't want cheap tools when I work on my car. Craftsman or Snap-on are so much better than the crap you can buy at Pep Boys or Harbor Freight.

Not all women want to be annoying feminazis.

Actually, I've done most of the cooking in my relationships. I enjoy it. And the guy gets to control the food and the girls love it. Steak and potatos every night, barbques, bouillbase, roast chicken with potatos and carrots, codfish pie, I'm making myself hungry.

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: chambersc
It's possible. I would call it "relative free will." Ultimately, everyone would be "tools of god" but we, as the actors playing out the script that we don't see, don't know this. Therefore, we believe that our actions are independent of causes and thus we have free will. Everything we know and believe would lead us to the belief that we have free will (the relative part) but ultimately we are just cogs in the grand machine of life.

It's certainly possible.

How do you know its possible? How do you justify your claim that the existence of a supernatural being is possible?

 

[exdeath]

"Miracle WOOD!" "Miracle FIRE!"

Seriously though, religion is so 2006 years ago and it is responsible for slowing progress of the human race in many areas. Even since ancient times scientists were persecuted for pulling the curtains back on the church.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: chambersc
It's possible. I would call it "relative free will." Ultimately, everyone would be "tools of god" but we, as the actors playing out the script that we don't see, don't know this. Therefore, we believe that our actions are independent of causes and thus we have free will. Everything we know and believe would lead us to the belief that we have free will (the relative part) but ultimately we are just cogs in the grand machine of life.

It's certainly possible.

How do you know its possible? How do you justify your claim that the existence of a supernatural being is possible?

U-DO told me so. It told me that it is a -Wave Existence- from a higher realm that got trapped in -Zohar- when strategic integrated weapon system -Deus- activated.

The waves of the higher realm where -Wave Existence- descended from interact to cause our 4th order universe to exist!

Duh.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: DaShen
OP, It really is a matter of perspective.

Bingo.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: Kanalua
from my expierience Liberal-atheists are the most intolerant class of persons I've ever been around.

(lived in Ireland, Norther Ireland, Utah...and now living in Hawaii, going to a heavily liberal slanted law school).

Funny, because I've never met ONE atheist that has been intolerant... meanwhile my In-laws are religious nuts that we had to move out of the state to avoid... I have had 4 people knock on my door trying to convert me to their religion this year alone! I;ve never had a single problem when dealing with "atheists".

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

*breathe*

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

*gasp*

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

*wipes away tears*

*catches breath*

And I'm agnostic. LOL! You're not intolerant... but you had to move out of state because you couldn't stand for other people to express their beliefs. That's fsckin' golden! I have officially read it all here now.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: chambersc
It's possible. I would call it "relative free will." Ultimately, everyone would be "tools of god" but we, as the actors playing out the script that we don't see, don't know this. Therefore, we believe that our actions are independent of causes and thus we have free will. Everything we know and believe would lead us to the belief that we have free will (the relative part) but ultimately we are just cogs in the grand machine of life.

It's certainly possible.

How do you know its possible? How do you justify your claim that the existence of a supernatural being is possible?

How do you justify your claim that the existence of said supernatural being is NOT possible?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: chambersc
It's possible. I would call it "relative free will." Ultimately, everyone would be "tools of god" but we, as the actors playing out the script that we don't see, don't know this. Therefore, we believe that our actions are independent of causes and thus we have free will. Everything we know and believe would lead us to the belief that we have free will (the relative part) but ultimately we are just cogs in the grand machine of life.

It's certainly possible.

How do you know its possible? How do you justify your claim that the existence of a supernatural being is possible?

How do you justify your claim that the existence of said supernatural being is NOT possible?

everyone knows you can't prove a negative

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: chambersc
It's possible. I would call it "relative free will." Ultimately, everyone would be "tools of god" but we, as the actors playing out the script that we don't see, don't know this. Therefore, we believe that our actions are independent of causes and thus we have free will. Everything we know and believe would lead us to the belief that we have free will (the relative part) but ultimately we are just cogs in the grand machine of life.

It's certainly possible.

How do you know its possible? How do you justify your claim that the existence of a supernatural being is possible?

How do you justify your claim that the existence of said supernatural being is NOT possible?

everyone knows you can't prove a negative

Either way is a fallacy. That was my point. If you say something is false because it cannot be proven to be true, that's the fallacy of argument from ignorance. If you say something is true because it cannot be proven to be false, that's the fallacy of negative proof or proof of impossibility.

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: chambersc
It's possible. I would call it "relative free will." Ultimately, everyone would be "tools of god" but we, as the actors playing out the script that we don't see, don't know this. Therefore, we believe that our actions are independent of causes and thus we have free will. Everything we know and believe would lead us to the belief that we have free will (the relative part) but ultimately we are just cogs in the grand machine of life.

It's certainly possible.

How do you know its possible? How do you justify your claim that the existence of a supernatural being is possible?

How do you justify your claim that the existence of said supernatural being is NOT possible?

everyone knows you can't prove a negative

Either way is a fallacy. That was my point. If you say something is false because it cannot be proven to be true, that's the fallacy of argument from ignorance. If you say something is true because it cannot be proven to be false, that's the fallacy of negative proof or proof of impossibility.

While I have to agree it's a possibility... but to be convinced that it's fact by just knowing it's a possibility is illogical.
Take this for instance. It's a possibility that we are the science experiment of aliens, and they're watching us. But to believe it as a fact without a shred of proof other than the fact that it's possible.. is ludicrously inane.

 

[mchammer]

Originally posted by: uberman

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: uberman

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: uberman
This looks like the work of the Christian right. I wish it had caught on.
[http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_jul2006/GoodWifesGuide.htm]

Where in there does it lead you to believe that is Christian?

-Kevin

There is a strong Christian right as we evolve from a democracy into a theocracy as where we are now. I emailed this to a friend who felt it was the work of the christian right. I concur.

Oh please we are not a theocracy.

Is your friend a religious expert? Is he an acclaimed scholar? Somehow I doubt it. It seems to me that you are using that article just to further your argument without any real support to back your belief.

To me, it could be Christian, it could be a completely different religion. Also remember the Christian religion, as with other religions has gone through many different reforms, as different interpretations come about.

-Kevin

Edit: Please note; however, that I am not denying that there is a strong Christian presence in America, or that there is a religious presence in our government. But we are still FAR from a theocracy.

Yes, I still believe that we live in a theoracy. Many will die, and many are suffering due to bans on stem cell research. There will be no relief for their suffering. This ban on research will push this country into the dark ages while other countries strive to advance medical science. The blood is on the hands of the christian right who drive our governments decisions. Many will die, many will suffer.
I respect your opinion. It is yours, and you are entitled to it. Religion is an endless polemic. Some people choose to believe religious and absract beliefs over scientific fact. It is belief over fact. I choose fact.

Dude chill there is no ban on stem cell research here.