I got an e-mail from Rep Tom McClintock

[JulesMaximus]

We are here because we, as a people, are awakening to the danger of a government that spends too much and borrows too much and taxes too much, because we know what that means.

We know that you can't spend your way rich.

We know that you can't borrow your way out of debt.

And we know that you can't tax your way to prosperity.

Personally, I'd like to know how the current administration is any different than the Bush administration was. Yet now all of a sudden massive spending is a problem? Why didn?t we ?wake up? 8 years ago?

I don?t get it.

 

[Robor]

You and me both!

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

We are here because we, as a people, are awakening to the danger of a government that spends too much and borrows too much and taxes too much, because we know what that means.

We know that you can't spend your way rich.

We know that you can't borrow your way out of debt.

And we know that you can't tax your way to prosperity.

Personally, I'd like to know how the current administration is any different than the Bush administration was. Yet now all of a sudden massive spending is a problem? Why didn?t we ?wake up? 8 years ago?

I don?t get it.

Really? You dont think pushing deficit spending to 13% is a problem? Bush averaged right around 4-6% while funding a war. And that was high imo.

 

[BoberFett]

Great thread. This idea has yet to be discussed in this forum. I look forward to a healthy debate.

 

[Slew Foot]

That train to nowhere is going to make us RICH!!

 

[MetalMat]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

We are here because we, as a people, are awakening to the danger of a government that spends too much and borrows too much and taxes too much, because we know what that means.

We know that you can't spend your way rich.

We know that you can't borrow your way out of debt.

And we know that you can't tax your way to prosperity.

Personally, I'd like to know how the current administration is any different than the Bush administration was. Yet now all of a sudden massive spending is a problem? Why didn?t we ?wake up? 8 years ago?

I don?t get it.

I dont know, did the bush administration have the stimulus bills like hte Obama one has?

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

We are here because we, as a people, are awakening to the danger of a government that spends too much and borrows too much and taxes too much, because we know what that means.

We know that you can't spend your way rich.

We know that you can't borrow your way out of debt.

And we know that you can't tax your way to prosperity.

Personally, I'd like to know how the current administration is any different than the Bush administration was. Yet now all of a sudden massive spending is a problem? Why didn?t we ?wake up? 8 years ago?

I don?t get it.

Really? You dont think pushing deficit spending to 13% is a problem? Bush averaged right around 4-6% while funding a war. And that was high imo.

How about his final budget? Did his budget include all of the costs of the war(s)? Where was the outrage? Where were the tea parties?

Edit: And the Iraq war isn't allowable as an excuse.

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

We are here because we, as a people, are awakening to the danger of a government that spends too much and borrows too much and taxes too much, because we know what that means.

We know that you can't spend your way rich.

We know that you can't borrow your way out of debt.

And we know that you can't tax your way to prosperity.

Personally, I'd like to know how the current administration is any different than the Bush administration was. Yet now all of a sudden massive spending is a problem? Why didn?t we ?wake up? 8 years ago?

I don?t get it.

We didn't "wake up" 8 years ago because unemployment was low and the stock market was doing great -- I.e., we were too busy working and creating wealth. Now that there's more unemployment and business are going bankrupt (not to mention states going bankrupt), people have more time to "wake up".

Not too mention, at this rate, we are going spend a lot more now than when Bush was president. Welcome to the failboat for the next 4 years...

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

We are here because we, as a people, are awakening to the danger of a government that spends too much and borrows too much and taxes too much, because we know what that means.

We know that you can't spend your way rich.

We know that you can't borrow your way out of debt.

And we know that you can't tax your way to prosperity.

Personally, I'd like to know how the current administration is any different than the Bush administration was. Yet now all of a sudden massive spending is a problem? Why didn?t we ?wake up? 8 years ago?

I don?t get it.

ummm Obama has spent 4 trillion dollars in his first 100 days and the banks and automakers are again as of today asking for more money. Obama has spent more money than any president. you dont see a problem?

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

We are here because we, as a people, are awakening to the danger of a government that spends too much and borrows too much and taxes too much, because we know what that means.

We know that you can't spend your way rich.

We know that you can't borrow your way out of debt.

And we know that you can't tax your way to prosperity.

Personally, I'd like to know how the current administration is any different than the Bush administration was. Yet now all of a sudden massive spending is a problem? Why didn?t we ?wake up? 8 years ago?

I don?t get it.

Really? You dont think pushing deficit spending to 13% is a problem? Bush averaged right around 4-6% while funding a war. And that was high imo.

How about his final budget? Did his budget include all of the costs of the war(s)? Where was the outrage? Where were the tea parties?

Edit: And the Iraq war isn't allowable as an excuse.

again Obama has spent more money than any president that has held office. and he has done it in just 100 days!!!

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

We are here because we, as a people, are awakening to the danger of a government that spends too much and borrows too much and taxes too much, because we know what that means.

We know that you can't spend your way rich.

We know that you can't borrow your way out of debt.

And we know that you can't tax your way to prosperity.

Personally, I'd like to know how the current administration is any different than the Bush administration was. Yet now all of a sudden massive spending is a problem? Why didn?t we ?wake up? 8 years ago?

I don?t get it.

Really? You dont think pushing deficit spending to 13% is a problem? Bush averaged right around 4-6% while funding a war. And that was high imo.

How about his final budget? Did his budget include all of the costs of the war(s)? Where was the outrage? Where were the tea parties?

Edit: And the Iraq war isn't allowable as an excuse.

again Obama has spent more money than any president that has held office. and he has done it in just 100 days!!!

And how many presidents have been in the same situation with the economy and war(s)?

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

We are here because we, as a people, are awakening to the danger of a government that spends too much and borrows too much and taxes too much, because we know what that means.

We know that you can't spend your way rich.

We know that you can't borrow your way out of debt.

And we know that you can't tax your way to prosperity.

Personally, I'd like to know how the current administration is any different than the Bush administration was. Yet now all of a sudden massive spending is a problem? Why didn?t we ?wake up? 8 years ago?

I don?t get it.

Really? You dont think pushing deficit spending to 13% is a problem? Bush averaged right around 4-6% while funding a war. And that was high imo.

How about his final budget? Did his budget include all of the costs of the war(s)? Where was the outrage? Where were the tea parties?

Edit: And the Iraq war isn't allowable as an excuse.

again Obama has spent more money than any president that has held office. and he has done it in just 100 days!!!

And how many presidents have been in the same situation with the economy and war(s)?

Many, ill start with FDR

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

We are here because we, as a people, are awakening to the danger of a government that spends too much and borrows too much and taxes too much, because we know what that means.

We know that you can't spend your way rich.

We know that you can't borrow your way out of debt.

And we know that you can't tax your way to prosperity.

Personally, I'd like to know how the current administration is any different than the Bush administration was. Yet now all of a sudden massive spending is a problem? Why didn?t we ?wake up? 8 years ago?

I don?t get it.

Really? You dont think pushing deficit spending to 13% is a problem? Bush averaged right around 4-6% while funding a war. And that was high imo.

How about his final budget? Did his budget include all of the costs of the war(s)? Where was the outrage? Where were the tea parties?

Edit: And the Iraq war isn't allowable as an excuse.

His budgets were usually around 3-5% which is why I said 4-6% when you include off budget items such as the war.

It doesnt matter where the outrage was, it is here now when Obama doubled what Bush's disasterous fiscal policy did. Arguing where the outrage was back then is an attempt to deflect the conversation.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

We are here because we, as a people, are awakening to the danger of a government that spends too much and borrows too much and taxes too much, because we know what that means.

We know that you can't spend your way rich.

We know that you can't borrow your way out of debt.

And we know that you can't tax your way to prosperity.

Personally, I'd like to know how the current administration is any different than the Bush administration was. Yet now all of a sudden massive spending is a problem? Why didn?t we ?wake up? 8 years ago?

I don?t get it.

Really? You dont think pushing deficit spending to 13% is a problem? Bush averaged right around 4-6% while funding a war. And that was high imo.

How about his final budget? Did his budget include all of the costs of the war(s)? Where was the outrage? Where were the tea parties?

Edit: And the Iraq war isn't allowable as an excuse.

again Obama has spent more money than any president that has held office. and he has done it in just 100 days!!!

And how many presidents have been in the same situation with the economy and war(s)?

I thought I wasnt allowed to use the war as an excuse? Why do you get to use it?

I can think of another

Hoover

How about Reagan and Carter?

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

We are here because we, as a people, are awakening to the danger of a government that spends too much and borrows too much and taxes too much, because we know what that means.

We know that you can't spend your way rich.

We know that you can't borrow your way out of debt.

And we know that you can't tax your way to prosperity.

Personally, I'd like to know how the current administration is any different than the Bush administration was. Yet now all of a sudden massive spending is a problem? Why didn?t we ?wake up? 8 years ago?

I don?t get it.

Really? You dont think pushing deficit spending to 13% is a problem? Bush averaged right around 4-6% while funding a war. And that was high imo.

How about his final budget? Did his budget include all of the costs of the war(s)? Where was the outrage? Where were the tea parties?

Edit: And the Iraq war isn't allowable as an excuse.

again Obama has spent more money than any president that has held office. and he has done it in just 100 days!!!

And how many presidents have been in the same situation with the economy and war(s)?

Many, ill start with FDR

Wasn't he flamed by conservatives? Taxes? New Deal?

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

We are here because we, as a people, are awakening to the danger of a government that spends too much and borrows too much and taxes too much, because we know what that means.

We know that you can't spend your way rich.

We know that you can't borrow your way out of debt.

And we know that you can't tax your way to prosperity.

Personally, I'd like to know how the current administration is any different than the Bush administration was. Yet now all of a sudden massive spending is a problem? Why didn?t we ?wake up? 8 years ago?

I don?t get it.

We didn't "wake up" 8 years ago because unemployment was low and the stock market was doing great -- I.e., we were too busy working and creating wealth. Now that there's more unemployment and business are going bankrupt (not to mention states going bankrupt), people have more time to "wake up".

Not too mention, at this rate, we are going spend a lot more now than when Bush was president. Welcome to the failboat for the next 4 years...

The most accurate post in the thread, and it gets ignored. There's the answer.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

We are here because we, as a people, are awakening to the danger of a government that spends too much and borrows too much and taxes too much, because we know what that means.

We know that you can't spend your way rich.

We know that you can't borrow your way out of debt.

And we know that you can't tax your way to prosperity.

Personally, I'd like to know how the current administration is any different than the Bush administration was. Yet now all of a sudden massive spending is a problem? Why didn?t we ?wake up? 8 years ago?

I don?t get it.

Really? You dont think pushing deficit spending to 13% is a problem? Bush averaged right around 4-6% while funding a war. And that was high imo.

How about his final budget? Did his budget include all of the costs of the war(s)? Where was the outrage? Where were the tea parties?

Edit: And the Iraq war isn't allowable as an excuse.

again Obama has spent more money than any president that has held office. and he has done it in just 100 days!!!

And how many presidents have been in the same situation with the economy and war(s)?

I thought I wasnt allowed to use the war as an excuse? Why do you get to use it?

I can think of another

Hoover

How about Reagan and Carter?

I thought the economy is currently as bad or worse than the great depression? That's what I heard/read every time I saw or read news. If so, only FDR qualifies and he wasn't popular with conservatives either. In short, nothing new.

You can't use the war to defend GWB budgets because he is the one who started the war.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

We are here because we, as a people, are awakening to the danger of a government that spends too much and borrows too much and taxes too much, because we know what that means.

We know that you can't spend your way rich.

We know that you can't borrow your way out of debt.

And we know that you can't tax your way to prosperity.

Personally, I'd like to know how the current administration is any different than the Bush administration was. Yet now all of a sudden massive spending is a problem? Why didn?t we ?wake up? 8 years ago?

I don?t get it.

We didn't "wake up" 8 years ago because unemployment was low and the stock market was doing great -- I.e., we were too busy working and creating wealth. Now that there's more unemployment and business are going bankrupt (not to mention states going bankrupt), people have more time to "wake up".

Not too mention, at this rate, we are going spend a lot more now than when Bush was president. Welcome to the failboat for the next 4 years...

The most accurate post in the thread, and it gets ignored. There's the answer.

And that is definitely Obama's fault for sure. Look, you may not agree with what the Obama administration is doing to try and pull out of this but at least they are not asleep at the fvcking wheel like the previous administration.

 

[bbdub333]

Great argument from the left that we've heard over and over.

"You weren't upset before, so you can't be upset now."

The country has been buying drinks on a tab for the last 8+ years, getting drunk on a growing economy and false sense of wealth, and now that it's 9 am Sunday morning and we have to go pick up our credit card at the bar because we were too busy hitting on the fat chick to remember to close it out and then we realize that we left our car at the bar and took a cab so we hope that they didn't tow the car because I am supposed to go to my buddy's house at noon to help him move and I'm still so hung over from the tequila shots and I just want to go back to sleep....

Great argument lefties.

 

[evident]

its not obamas fault bush started the iraq war, and it's not his fault that theres a bunch of problems at hand right now that requires solving either...

 

[OrByte]

The stimulus packages are where most people have a legitimate gripe.

The kicker tho is that it didnt matter who the next President was going to be, he/she would have advocated for stim package(s) the same as the last administration.

I see WHY the republican party would want to make stimulus spending a partisan issue, but I dont really see that it is...That spending was going to happen no matter the party in charge.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

We are here because we, as a people, are awakening to the danger of a government that spends too much and borrows too much and taxes too much, because we know what that means.

We know that you can't spend your way rich.

We know that you can't borrow your way out of debt.

And we know that you can't tax your way to prosperity.

Personally, I'd like to know how the current administration is any different than the Bush administration was. Yet now all of a sudden massive spending is a problem? Why didn?t we ?wake up? 8 years ago?

I don?t get it.

Really? You dont think pushing deficit spending to 13% is a problem? Bush averaged right around 4-6% while funding a war. And that was high imo.

How about his final budget? Did his budget include all of the costs of the war(s)? Where was the outrage? Where were the tea parties?

Edit: And the Iraq war isn't allowable as an excuse.

Tea parties have been going on for like 15 years. The media just never cared before.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Citrix

again Obama has spent more money than any president that has held office. and he has done it in just 100 days!!!

And how many presidents have been in the same situation with the economy and war(s)?

Many, ill start with FDR

False. Obama has not spent more money than any president, not even remotely close.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

We are here because we, as a people, are awakening to the danger of a government that spends too much and borrows too much and taxes too much, because we know what that means.

We know that you can't spend your way rich.

We know that you can't borrow your way out of debt.

And we know that you can't tax your way to prosperity.

Personally, I'd like to know how the current administration is any different than the Bush administration was. Yet now all of a sudden massive spending is a problem? Why didn?t we ?wake up? 8 years ago?

I don?t get it.

Really? You dont think pushing deficit spending to 13% is a problem? Bush averaged right around 4-6% while funding a war. And that was high imo.

its not like that war has gone away, infact obama has escalated.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Robor

I thought the economy is currently as bad or worse than the great depression? That's what I heard/read every time I saw or read news. If so, only FDR qualifies and he wasn't popular with conservatives either. In short, nothing new.

You can't use the war to defend GWB budgets because he is the one who started the war.

What are you talking about? How is this economy remotely close to as bad as the GD? This economy may not even rival the stagflation of the 1970's regardless of what the MSM frenzy machine feeds you.

I am not defending shit, only pointing out Obama is spending at far higher rates than Bush.