I got an e-mail from Rep Tom McClintock

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

We are here because we, as a people, are awakening to the danger of a government that spends too much and borrows too much and taxes too much, because we know what that means.

We know that you can't spend your way rich.

We know that you can't borrow your way out of debt.

And we know that you can't tax your way to prosperity.

Personally, I'd like to know how the current administration is any different than the Bush administration was. Yet now all of a sudden massive spending is a problem? Why didn?t we ?wake up? 8 years ago?

I don?t get it.

Do you understand the concept of a "budget deficit"? Methinks not.

People complained about Bush running a budget deficit in the hundreds of billions (while fighting a war).

You ain't seen nothin' yet!

In the last 100 days, trillions of dollars have been spent that we don't have. Where do we get that money from?

1. Print money (thus oversaturating the dollar and leading to the dollar devaluing and inflation)

2. Borrow the money from other counties (billions from the China, for example)

3. I forgot #3...raise taxes. It's coming. Cap and trade, for example.

If you don't see the problem, then there is no hope for you. This is simple economics...high school stuff.

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: bbdub333
Great argument from the left that we've heard over and over.

"You weren't upset before, so you can't be upset now."

The country has been buying drinks on a tab for the last 8+ years, getting drunk on a growing economy and false sense of wealth, and now that it's 9 am Sunday morning and we have to go pick up our credit card at the bar because we were too busy hitting on the fat chick to remember to close it out and then we realize that we left our car at the bar and took a cab so we hope that they didn't tow the car because I am supposed to go to my buddy's house at noon to help him move and I'm still so hung over from the tequila shots and I just want to go back to sleep....

Great argument lefties.

But those 8 years you had your guy in charge, so it was all ok. If people really cared about being fiscally responsible years ago, you would have seen righties protesting the war and the uncontrolled spending for years. But suddenly there is a guy in office with a D after his name, and NOW its a problem. Keep lying to yourself if it makes you feel better though.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

We are here because we, as a people, are awakening to the danger of a government that spends too much and borrows too much and taxes too much, because we know what that means.

We know that you can't spend your way rich.

We know that you can't borrow your way out of debt.

And we know that you can't tax your way to prosperity.

Personally, I'd like to know how the current administration is any different than the Bush administration was. Yet now all of a sudden massive spending is a problem? Why didn?t we ?wake up? 8 years ago?

I don?t get it.

Really? You dont think pushing deficit spending to 13% is a problem? Bush averaged right around 4-6% while funding a war. And that was high imo.

The right is obviously going to not get a clue to compare Bush's wasteful deficit spending in a non-crisi economy, and Obama's stimulus spending when the economy has shut down.

So, we can expect them in hundreds of posts at least to repeat the same out of context numbers simply listing the deficit under Bush and Obama as if the crisis did not exist.

Clueless. And we can respond each time - teach me macros, Harvey - with the context.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Personally, I'd like to know how the current administration is any different than the Bush administration was. Yet now all of a sudden massive spending is a problem? Why didn?t we ?wake up? 8 years ago?

I don?t get it.

We didn't "wake up" 8 years ago because unemployment was low and the stock market was doing great -- I.e., we were too busy working and creating wealth. Now that there's more unemployment and business are going bankrupt (not to mention states going bankrupt), people have more time to "wake up".

Not too mention, at this rate, we are going spend a lot more now than when Bush was president. Welcome to the failboat for the next 4 years...

No, it's because they are ideologically biased. If Bush crapped on their plate they'd call it steak (until 2006 anyway), and if Obama served a steak they'd call it crap.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: bbdub333
Great argument from the left that we've heard over and over.

"You weren't upset before, so you can't be upset now."

The country has been buying drinks on a tab for the last 8+ years, getting drunk on a growing economy and false sense of wealth, and now that it's 9 am Sunday morning and we have to go pick up our credit card at the bar because we were too busy hitting on the fat chick to remember to close it out and then we realize that we left our car at the bar and took a cab so we hope that they didn't tow the car because I am supposed to go to my buddy's house at noon to help him move and I'm still so hung over from the tequila shots and I just want to go back to sleep....

Great argument lefties.

No, now that you blew $100 on drinks, you have to pay $500 in bail.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: OrByte
The stimulus packages are where most people have a legitimate gripe.

The kicker tho is that it didnt matter who the next President was going to be, he/she would have advocated for stim package(s) the same as the last administration.

I see WHY the republican party would want to make stimulus spending a partisan issue, but I dont really see that it is...That spending was going to happen no matter the party in charge.

Yup. Obama's Spending is absolutely necessary, unlike the Deficit Sending of most of the last 8 years. This is why you don't run Deficits in Good Economic Times, it's so that running a Deficit in Bad Economic Times is affordable.

I recall a recent mantra bandied about by many when Bush's Deficits were criticized: Deficits don't matter!

I wonder what happened to those people?

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

We are here because we, as a people, are awakening to the danger of a government that spends too much and borrows too much and taxes too much, because we know what that means.

We know that you can't spend your way rich.

We know that you can't borrow your way out of debt.

And we know that you can't tax your way to prosperity.

Personally, I'd like to know how the current administration is any different than the Bush administration was. Yet now all of a sudden massive spending is a problem? Why didn?t we ?wake up? 8 years ago?

I don?t get it.

Really? You dont think pushing deficit spending to 13% is a problem? Bush averaged right around 4-6% while funding a war. And that was high imo.

The right is obviously going to not get a clue to compare Bush's wasteful deficit spending in a non-crisi economy, and Obama's stimulus spending when the economy has shut down.

So, we can expect them in hundreds of posts at least to repeat the same out of context numbers simply listing the deficit under Bush and Obama as if the crisis did not exist.

Clueless. And we can respond each time - teach me macros, Harvey - with the context.

Yes, Obama is in a crisis... You do know what they say about crisis's. "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste"..

Compared to other crisis, how bad is this "crisis"? Did we ever spend this much money before? During the great depression, did FDR spend this much money? How about the 70's? The recession during the early 80's? How about the tech bust?

From a cursory google search, it sure doesn't look like it. Here we go!!! Set sail for fail...

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: OrByte
The stimulus packages are where most people have a legitimate gripe.

The kicker tho is that it didnt matter who the next President was going to be, he/she would have advocated for stim package(s) the same as the last administration.

I see WHY the republican party would want to make stimulus spending a partisan issue, but I dont really see that it is...That spending was going to happen no matter the party in charge.

Yup. Obama's Spending is absolutely necessary, unlike the Deficit Sending of most of the last 8 years. This is why you don't run Deficits in Good Economic Times, it's so that running a Deficit in Bad Economic Times is affordable.

I recall a recent mantra bandied about by many when Bush's Deficits were criticized: Deficits don't matter!

I wonder what happened to those people?

After losing both their jobs and 401ks after Obama got elected, they decided that deficits do matter...

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

We are here because we, as a people, are awakening to the danger of a government that spends too much and borrows too much and taxes too much, because we know what that means.

We know that you can't spend your way rich.

We know that you can't borrow your way out of debt.

And we know that you can't tax your way to prosperity.

Personally, I'd like to know how the current administration is any different than the Bush administration was. Yet now all of a sudden massive spending is a problem? Why didn?t we ?wake up? 8 years ago?

I don?t get it.

Really? You dont think pushing deficit spending to 13% is a problem? Bush averaged right around 4-6% while funding a war. And that was high imo.

The right is obviously going to not get a clue to compare Bush's wasteful deficit spending in a non-crisi economy, and Obama's stimulus spending when the economy has shut down.

So, we can expect them in hundreds of posts at least to repeat the same out of context numbers simply listing the deficit under Bush and Obama as if the crisis did not exist.

Clueless. And we can respond each time - teach me macros, Harvey - with the context.

Yes, Obama is in a crisis... You do know what they say about crisis's. "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste"..

Compared to other crisis, how bad is this "crisis"? Did we ever spend this much money before? During the great depression, did FDR spend this much money? How about the 70's? The recession during the early 80's? How about the tech bust?

From a cursory google search, it sure doesn't look like it. Here we go!!! Set sail for fail...

Here's the rub...the typical leftist doesn't bother with things such as research and facts! They act on pure emotion, and whatever is being spouted on CNN or MSNBC is what they believe! No questions asked!

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

We are here because we, as a people, are awakening to the danger of a government that spends too much and borrows too much and taxes too much, because we know what that means.

We know that you can't spend your way rich.

We know that you can't borrow your way out of debt.

And we know that you can't tax your way to prosperity.

Personally, I'd like to know how the current administration is any different than the Bush administration was. Yet now all of a sudden massive spending is a problem? Why didn?t we ?wake up? 8 years ago?

I don?t get it.

Really? You dont think pushing deficit spending to 13% is a problem? Bush averaged right around 4-6% while funding a war. And that was high imo.

The right is obviously going to not get a clue to compare Bush's wasteful deficit spending in a non-crisi economy, and Obama's stimulus spending when the economy has shut down.

So, we can expect them in hundreds of posts at least to repeat the same out of context numbers simply listing the deficit under Bush and Obama as if the crisis did not exist.

Clueless. And we can respond each time - teach me macros, Harvey - with the context.

Yes, Obama is in a crisis... You do know what they say about crisis's. "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste"..

Compared to other crisis, how bad is this "crisis"? Did we ever spend this much money before? During the great depression, did FDR spend this much money? How about the 70's? The recession during the early 80's? How about the tech bust?

From a cursory google search, it sure doesn't look like it. Here we go!!! Set sail for fail...

Here's the rub...the typical righty doesn't bother with things such as research and facts! They act on pure emotion, and whatever is being spouted on Fox or Rush is what they believe! No questions asked!

Fixed for ya hack.

 

[Lemon law]

We have to remember that GWB&co started these bank bails outs to fix what he broke. And its the disaster of GWB&co that makes this spending to revive a dead economy necessary.

My big regret on the overall stupidity of Tom McClintock is that I do not live in his district and thus cannot give him the needed dope slap of voting against him.

But those that do live in his district, please, for the sake of your country, please throw that idiot out of office ASAP.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: Robor
Here's the rub...the typical righty doesn't bother with things such as research and facts! They act on pure emotion, and whatever is being spouted on Fox or Rush is what they believe! No questions asked!

Fixed for ya hack.

Whoops, except the fact that we HAVE done the research, and it is a FACT that Obama's deficit will be monumental. Unless you don't understand basic mathematics and can't read, which is quite possible...

"As a result, his plan would produce annual deficits far larger in dollar terms than any recorded before the recession. As a percentage of the overall economy, the budget gap is projected to settle down to a more manageable 3 percent by the end of Obama's term. But Washington would continue to borrow heavily, and the national debt would double over the next five years."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...1960.html?hpid=topnews

The budget gap will only be "manageable" if the stars align and everything goes as planned.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
We have to remember that GWB&co started these bank bails outs to fix what he broke. And its the disaster of GWB&co that makes this spending to revive a dead economy necessary.

My big regret on the overall stupidity of Tom McClintock is that I do not live in his district and thus cannot give him the needed dope slap of voting against him.

But those that do live in his district, please, for the sake of your country, please throw that idiot out of office ASAP.

Seriously, you're a broken record. Who will you blame in 2011? You can't blame Bush forever, though you will certainly try!

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: Lemon law
We have to remember that GWB&co started these bank bails outs to fix what he broke. And its the disaster of GWB&co that makes this spending to revive a dead economy necessary.

My big regret on the overall stupidity of Tom McClintock is that I do not live in his district and thus cannot give him the needed dope slap of voting against him.

But those that do live in his district, please, for the sake of your country, please throw that idiot out of office ASAP.

Seriously, you're a broken record. Who will you blame in 2011? You can't blame Bush forever, though you will certainly try!

Bush was the President for 96 out of the last 99 months, yet you are going nuts that people think some things that are bad right now might be bad because of things he did. It's a fact. Bush screwed a lot of things up, and a lot of his screwups are going to be things we're dealing with for a long time. Not only is it okay to blame these things on him, it is required if you are to look at the situation honestly.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

We are here because we, as a people, are awakening to the danger of a government that spends too much and borrows too much and taxes too much, because we know what that means.

We know that you can't spend your way rich.

We know that you can't borrow your way out of debt.

And we know that you can't tax your way to prosperity.

Personally, I'd like to know how the current administration is any different than the Bush administration was. Yet now all of a sudden massive spending is a problem? Why didn?t we ?wake up? 8 years ago?

I don?t get it.

Really? You dont think pushing deficit spending to 13% is a problem? Bush averaged right around 4-6% while funding a war. And that was high imo.

The right is obviously going to not get a clue to compare Bush's wasteful deficit spending in a non-crisi economy, and Obama's stimulus spending when the economy has shut down.

So, we can expect them in hundreds of posts at least to repeat the same out of context numbers simply listing the deficit under Bush and Obama as if the crisis did not exist.

Clueless. And we can respond each time - teach me macros, Harvey - with the context.

Yes, Obama is in a crisis... You do know what they say about crisis's. "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste"..

Compared to other crisis, how bad is this "crisis"? Did we ever spend this much money before? During the great depression, did FDR spend this much money? How about the 70's? The recession during the early 80's? How about the tech bust?

From a cursory google search, it sure doesn't look like it. Here we go!!! Set sail for fail...

Here's the rub...the typical leftist doesn't bother with things such as research and facts! They act on pure emotion, and whatever is being spouted on CNN or MSNBC is what they believe! No questions asked!

Wow, Fail.

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: Robor
Here's the rub...the typical righty doesn't bother with things such as research and facts! They act on pure emotion, and whatever is being spouted on Fox or Rush is what they believe! No questions asked!

Fixed for ya hack.

Whoops, except the fact that we HAVE done the research, and it is a FACT that Obama's deficit will be monumental. Unless you don't understand basic mathematics and can't read, which is quite possible...

"As a result, his plan would produce annual deficits far larger in dollar terms than any recorded before the recession. As a percentage of the overall economy, the budget gap is projected to settle down to a more manageable 3 percent by the end of Obama's term. But Washington would continue to borrow heavily, and the national debt would double over the next five years."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...1960.html?hpid=topnews

The budget gap will only be "manageable" if the stars align and everything goes as planned.

Who is this we? All I've seen is you do regurgitate rightwing talking points.

Its too bad that you don't understand the concept of cause and effect. If someone ruins a country, then someone else has to fix it.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: Robor
Here's the rub...the typical righty doesn't bother with things such as research and facts! They act on pure emotion, and whatever is being spouted on Fox or Rush is what they believe! No questions asked!

Fixed for ya hack.

Whoops, except the fact that we HAVE done the research, and it is a FACT that Obama's deficit will be monumental. Unless you don't understand basic mathematics and can't read, which is quite possible...

"As a result, his plan would produce annual deficits far larger in dollar terms than any recorded before the recession. As a percentage of the overall economy, the budget gap is projected to settle down to a more manageable 3 percent by the end of Obama's term. But Washington would continue to borrow heavily, and the national debt would double over the next five years."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...1960.html?hpid=topnews

The budget gap will only be "manageable" if the stars align and everything goes as planned.

Who is this we? All I've seen is you do regurgitate rightwing talking points.

Its too bad that you don't understand the concept of cause and effect. If someone ruins a country, then someone else has to fix it.

Don't bother. I know I'm not.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: Robor
Here's the rub...the typical righty doesn't bother with things such as research and facts! They act on pure emotion, and whatever is being spouted on Fox or Rush is what they believe! No questions asked!

Fixed for ya hack.

Whoops, except the fact that we HAVE done the research, and it is a FACT that Obama's deficit will be monumental. Unless you don't understand basic mathematics and can't read, which is quite possible...

"As a result, his plan would produce annual deficits far larger in dollar terms than any recorded before the recession. As a percentage of the overall economy, the budget gap is projected to settle down to a more manageable 3 percent by the end of Obama's term. But Washington would continue to borrow heavily, and the national debt would double over the next five years."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...1960.html?hpid=topnews

The budget gap will only be "manageable" if the stars align and everything goes as planned.

Who is this we? All I've seen is you do regurgitate rightwing talking points.

Its too bad that you don't understand the concept of cause and effect. If someone ruins a country, then someone else has to fix it.

LOL! The Washington Post is right-wing? I've heard it all now.

Still ignoring the facts, as always. Nothing more than insults and attacks.

Libs...always good for a laugh.

 

[MikeMike]

god damn are you righties and lefties fucking retarded... you guys all bitch and moan and bitch and moan about the other party...and then you fling shit like blind monkeys

GWB did not cause this mess... Just like Rick Wagoner did not cause GM to go bankrupt... It was a long time coming... The boom and bust cycle has been with us forever.... just this is a slightly larger bust than most...

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: Lemon law
We have to remember that GWB&co started these bank bails outs to fix what he broke. And its the disaster of GWB&co that makes this spending to revive a dead economy necessary.

My big regret on the overall stupidity of Tom McClintock is that I do not live in his district and thus cannot give him the needed dope slap of voting against him.

But those that do live in his district, please, for the sake of your country, please throw that idiot out of office ASAP.

Seriously, you're a broken record. Who will you blame in 2011? You can't blame Bush forever, though you will certainly try!

We'll just use the old rightie fallback position, it's Clinton's fault.

 

[DealMonkey]

Those tea-bagging morons need to immediately initiate a campaign to recall Gov Schwarzenegger, who has raised taxes more than anyone I can think of, and happens to have a "R" next to his name. No wonder he wouldn't take the pledge!! Where's the same outrage we saw when Gov Gray Davis did the same GD thing? F'ing hypocrites.

 

[quest55720]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

We are here because we, as a people, are awakening to the danger of a government that spends too much and borrows too much and taxes too much, because we know what that means.

We know that you can't spend your way rich.

We know that you can't borrow your way out of debt.

And we know that you can't tax your way to prosperity.

Personally, I'd like to know how the current administration is any different than the Bush administration was. Yet now all of a sudden massive spending is a problem? Why didn?t we ?wake up? 8 years ago?

I don?t get it.

I wish this guy represented me. At least someone in DC gets it. This government has spent way to much money for a very long time. It is time to stop the out of control spending.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: quest55720

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

We are here because we, as a people, are awakening to the danger of a government that spends too much and borrows too much and taxes too much, because we know what that means.

We know that you can't spend your way rich.

We know that you can't borrow your way out of debt.

And we know that you can't tax your way to prosperity.

Personally, I'd like to know how the current administration is any different than the Bush administration was. Yet now all of a sudden massive spending is a problem? Why didn?t we ?wake up? 8 years ago?

I don?t get it.

I wish this guy represented me. At least someone in DC gets it. This government has spent way to much money for a very long time. It is time to stop the out of control spending.

Actually, he doesn't represent me. He's running for a district I've never heard of up in Northern California but he was pushing some bill I agreed with a few years ago that I signed a petition for so now I'm on his mailing list.

I swear, he e-mails me at least weekly telling me what he's up to and asking me to support him (that means donate money to his campaign). Hell, I have good life-long friends I hear from less frequently.

 

[Fear No Evil]

With Obama being one of the smartest human beings to ever walk the earth - You'd think he'd have figured things out by now. :roll: But seriously, looking at Obama's projected budgets for the next 10 years, its clear he either thinks he will need to continue this stimulus spending for a decade, or he is a typical tax and spend liberal.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Citrix

again Obama has spent more money than any president that has held office. and he has done it in just 100 days!!!

And how many presidents have been in the same situation with the economy and war(s)?

Many, ill start with FDR

False. Obama has not spent more money than any president, not even remotely close.

wrong, Barry has spent $4.28 trillion in new spending. 4 times as much as any president in history. go ahead and prove this fact wrong. i dare you.