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If you are doing this on a new machine/fresh install use the thumb drive option then log into your windows account when prompted?
I assume I may have to change the boot order
 

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If you are doing this on a new machine/fresh install use the thumb drive option then log into your windows account when prompted?
I assume I may have to change the boot order

Yes:

1. Use the Microsoft MCT (Media Creation Tool) to format a USB thumb drive with the latest version of the Windows 10 installer

2. Stick it in your machine & hit the appropriate keyboard button (ex. F8, F12, ESC, DEL, etc.) to enter the boot-selection mode (alternatively, boot into the BIOS & switch the boot order to have the USB stick be first)

3. When it boots into the installer, delete all of the partitions on the current boot drive, let Windows install, then setup your account & password. I always use an "offline account" (lower-left corner) so that I don't have to register with Microsoft just to sign into my computer.

If you have Windows 7 or 8 on the machine & want to do an in-place upgrade (i.e. keep all of your stuff), you can do that using the upgrade tool from the desktop:

 
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Yes:

1. Use the Microsoft MCT (Media Creation Tool) to format a USB thumb drive with the latest version of the Windows 10 installer

2. Stick it in your machine & hit the appropriate keyboard button (ex. F8, F12, ESC, DEL, etc.) to enter the boot-selection mode (alternatively, boot into the BIOS & switch the boot order to have the USB stick be first)

3. When it boots into the installer, delete all of the partitions on the current boot drive, let Windows install, then setup your account & password. I always use an "offline account" (lower-left corner) so that I don't have to register with Microsoft just to sign into my computer.

If you have Windows 7 or 8 on the machine & want to do an in-place upgrade (i.e. keep all of your stuff), you can do that using the upgrade tool from the desktop:


Got it, so start once into bios change whatever boot order, restart don’t bother with bios and wait for the magic to happen correct?

and thank you.
 

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Got it, so start once into bios change whatever boot order, restart don’t bother with bios and wait for the magic to happen correct?

and thank you.

Yup - were you able to get this working?
 

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2020 update: Free upgrade to Windows 10 still working!

1. In-OS update still works!
Did a Windows 7 Pro to Windows 10 Pro free upgrade today using the Microsoft upgrader for Win7/Win8, directly from the Win7 desktop (would recommend uninstalling your antivirus & rebooting before installing the upgrade). Direct link to download:


2. Fresh install still works! I just put a new hard drive in an older machine that had a Windows 7 key. Used the Media Creation Tool to make a USB stick & did a fresh install using the 7 key with the Windows 10 installer. Direct link to download:


Hopefully this upgrade will be (unofficially) available forever, but who knows how long it will be available for, so grab it while it's hot!
 

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2020 update: Free upgrade to Windows 10 still working!

1. In-OS update still works!
Did a Windows 7 Pro to Windows 10 Pro free upgrade today using the Microsoft upgrader for Win7/Win8, directly from the Win7 desktop (would recommend uninstalling your antivirus & rebooting before installing the upgrade). Direct link to download:


2. Fresh install still works! I just put a new hard drive in an older machine that had a Windows 7 key. Used the Media Creation Tool to make a USB stick & did a fresh install using the 7 key with the Windows 10 installer. Direct link to download:


Hopefully this upgrade will be (unofficially) available forever, but who knows how long it will be available for, so grab it while it's hot!

Some rando video I watched on YT basically said that Win10 is pretty much Free to Use if you want it. The Free Update thing was supposed to end years ago, but apparently you can Download and use Win10 from Microsofts website without any Key or need for verification.
 
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Yup - were you able to get this working?

Yes & no. Didn’t automatically activate for whatever reason.
Fortunately when I did my windows 8 to Windows 10 upgrade on my old machine I saved a copy of the windows key.
I needed to add that key to make everything work properly.

Edit: @Kaido I remembered that I had trouble upgrading to the free windows 8 offer from Vista, I got the upgrade per a Microsoft Rep thru a 3rd party vendor that wasn't in business any longer and my key wasnt registered correctly. I had to find my original Vista disk and get the key off that. My Windows 10 experience was likely due to something relating to that original issue.
 
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I have a older Dell laptop with W8 bios key but the creation tool isn't able to pick it up, anyway I can get around that? I can't find my oem disk.
 

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Yes & no. Didn’t automatically activate for whatever reason.
Fortunately when I did my windows 8 to Windows 10 upgrade on my old machine I saved a copy of the windows key.
I needed to add that key to make everything work properly.

Edit: @Kaido I remembered that I had trouble upgrading to the free windows 8 offer from Vista, I got the upgrade per a Microsoft Rep thru a 3rd party vendor that wasn't in business any longer and my key wasnt registered correctly. I had to find my original Vista disk and get the key off that. My Windows 10 experience was likely due to something relating to that original issue.

Nice! Note: you can always do a full, baremetal reinstall from the settings menu - go into recovery & then reset & select the option to fully format the disk (usually takes a few hours). This is the equivalent of a drive wipe + 100% fresh install with no files saved. I like to do this about once a year on all of my machines, just to keep them working nicely. I store the installers & license files of all of my various software (Office, Snagit, etc.) on my Google Drive for easy reinstallation down the road.
 
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I have a older Dell laptop with W8 bios key but the creation tool isn't able to pick it up, anyway I can get around that? I can't find my oem disk.

There is a way in windows 8 to capture the product key because I had to do it. I can’t remember how but it is in Windows 8 somewhere.
You will likely have to do what I did, load win 10 get messages saying the key can’t be found, click continue, then when windows 10 prompts you to enter a key use the windows 8 key.
 

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I have a older Dell laptop with W8 bios key but the creation tool isn't able to pick it up, anyway I can get around that? I can't find my oem disk.

In the system info screen (Win Key + Pause button), does it show Windows 8 as being activated? Also, do you have all of the latest Windows 8 updates?
 

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There is a way in windows 8 to capture the product key because I had to do it. I can’t remember how but it is in Windows 8 somewhere.
You will likely have to do what I did, load win 10 get messages saying the key can’t be found, click continue, then when windows 10 prompts you to enter a key use the windows 8 key.

Yeah, I'd imagine you could get the OEM key using Belarc Advisor:


I do a ton of Dells on a weekly basis & they've all gone pretty smoothly so far, by & large.
 

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Some rando video I watched on YT basically said that Win10 is pretty much Free to Use if you want it. The Free Update thing was supposed to end years ago, but apparently you can Download and use Win10 from Microsofts website without any Key or need for verification.

So the Win7 cutoff was yesterday (14th) and I just tested a Win7 to Win10 free upgrade today & it worked like a charm, so it's still going just fine. I'd imagine they'll probably keep it open forever, both for security reasons & for advertising revenue reasons.
 
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So the Win7 cutoff was yesterday (14th) and I just tested a Win7 to Win10 free upgrade today & it worked like a charm, so it's still going just fine. I'd imagine they'll probably keep it open forever, both for security reasons & for advertising revenue reasons.

You can, I did that with my install while I looked for the picture of the windows key I took years ago. Works fine as long as you are okay getting nagged to purchase a full windows license and don’t want more than one or two things running at a time. I think it allowed 3 browser tabs.
Short term solution because it nags you a lot.
 
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You can, I did that with my install while I looked for the picture of the windows key I took years ago. Works fine as long as you are okay getting nagged to purchase a full windows license and don’t want more than one or two things running at a time. I think it allowed 3 browser tabs.
Short term solution because it nags you a lot.
What are you talking about??? The free Win7 64-bit to Win10 64-bit upgrade, is a full version. It's not a time-limited, trial, or nagware version. Which version did you download? The 30-day Enterprise trial edition?
 

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In the system info screen (Win Key + Pause button), does it show Windows 8 as being activated? Also, do you have all of the latest Windows 8 updates?

The problem is the oem drive toasted and I installed a new ssd.
 

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What are you talking about??? The free Win7 64-bit to Win10 64-bit upgrade, is a full version. It's not a time-limited, trial, or nagware version. Which version did you download? The 30-day Enterprise trial edition?

He was saying he couldn't find his key, so he's just using it in "trial mode", which appears to work indefinitely, just with nags. Windows is making money on every Win10 install regardless (lockscreen advertisements, search bar product placement results, etc.), so it's gone from a one-time sale of the OS license to a recurring revenue stream, which I'd imagine is their core reason for not having an OS lockout & for continuing to offer the free upgrade path.

I feel like Windows 10 has matured to the point where it's really pretty decent. I don't have any Windows 7 machines left at my house & the only Hackintosh left is the one my wife uses for her photography work. My desktop PC, VR gaming PC, Plex server, etc. are all Win10 now. You definitely need an SSD & at least 8 gigs of RAM to really enjoy Win10, but those are cheap enough now (a giant 1TB SSD is like $99 these days). I really like that you can just do a factory reset right from the GUI in Win10 & it will do a full wipe, reinstall, and download the updates & drivers for you...just really really simple these days!
 

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You can, I did that with my install while I looked for the picture of the windows key I took years ago. Works fine as long as you are okay getting nagged to purchase a full windows license and don’t want more than one or two things running at a time. I think it allowed 3 browser tabs.
Short term solution because it nags you a lot.

Not sure if they still apply, but there were various tricks available, like hiding the desktop activation nag display:


Plus you could just use Chrome, which bypasses IE/EDGE for more tabs if needed.
 
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Not sure if they still apply, but there were various tricks available, like hiding the desktop activation nag display:


Plus you could just use Chrome, which bypasses IE/EDGE for more tabs if needed.

Not needed I delt with the nagging for a day or two. Just needed to go thru a bunch of old pictures to find my vista or upgraded windows 8.1 key.
 
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They have both downloads on the same page now:


The "Update now" button for the "Windows 10 November 2019 Update" is the "Windows10Upgrade9252.exe." file to (1) upgrade Win7/8 to Win10 (for free), and (2) upgrade to build 1909.

The "Download tool now" button for the "Create Windows 10 installation media" is for the "MediaCreationTool1909.exe" file to generate either (1) an ISO or (2) a USB installer.
 

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Well, a friend got in touch with me, his mom has a Win7 64-bit PC that she purchased from me (OEM Branded Rig, had factory-fresh HDD), wants Win10 for obvious reasons.

I gave an estimate for $100 labor for my "Deluxe Service" - win10 in-place upgrade, backup DVDs/Blu-Ray discs made, both before and after the upgrade, and an SSD upgrade. Yeah, I should probably charge more, but a lot of my clients are on fixed incomes.

But after I told him he could just download it, he might go over there and just do the upgrade in-place on her existing HDD (anyone want to estimate how long that will take, LOL), and then I can try to sell her on an SSD upgrade later on, possibly.

Good to know that the upgrade is still working. I did it a few days ago on a laptop, it originally came with Win7 64-bit Home, had a key sticker, I put Win10 Home 64-bit on it at some point in the recent past, along with a fresh new SSD, but I never activated it, so I might have a customer for it soon, so I punched in the attached Win7 64-bit key, and it activated OK.
 
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Guys an Elderly neighbor of mine is worried about no support for Windows 10.
I know she has a name brand bought in a store type machine.
How would I go about a Windows 10 upgrade for her without paying?
 

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Well, a friend got in touch with me, his mom has a Win7 64-bit PC that she purchased from me (OEM Branded Rig, had factory-fresh HDD), wants Win10 for obvious reasons.

I gave an estimate for $100 labor for my "Deluxe Service" - win10 in-place upgrade, backup DVDs/Blu-Ray discs made, both before and after the upgrade, and an SSD upgrade. Yeah, I should probably charge more, but a lot of my clients are on fixed incomes.

But after I told him he could just download it, he might go over there and just do the upgrade in-place on her existing HDD (anyone want to estimate how long that will take, LOL), and then I can try to sell her on an SSD upgrade later on, possibly.

Good to know that the upgrade is still working. I did it a few days ago on a laptop, it originally came with Win7 64-bit Home, had a key sticker, I put Win10 Home 64-bit on it at some point in the recent past, along with a fresh new SSD, but I never activated it, so I might have a customer for it soon, so I punched in the attached Win7 64-bit key, and it activated OK.

Yeah, I do a lot of pro-bono work for the elderly (i.e. my mom calls me and says I need to fix her friend's computer LOL) & know how it goes. Here's my process:

1. I use Macrium Reflect to take a backup using a USB backup drive. I also add it as a boot-menu item (it's in the Macrium menu) so that I can boot to the USB backup in case of failure. If they have the funds & interest, I have them buy either a USB stick that will fit their entire hard drive (a 250-gig USB stick is ~$35 these days) or a USB backup drive, that way they have their own bootable clone. Also, I can boot the Macrium backup image as a Hyper-V virtual machine under Windows 10 or just simply mount it as a read-only drive from the image should anything explode & we want to go the route where we do a full factory reset with Windows 10 & just recovery files from the backup.

2. I uninstall their antivirus, reboot, then run the Windows 10 upgrade. Takes between 20 minutes to 4 hours, depending on the speed of their machine & their Internet connection. Whenever possible, I pick up the machine & take it to my shop & just pop their drive into a USB reader dock to clone it & then do the upgrade from there. Assuming everything goes well, they're all set! If not, we either do a fresh install of Windows 10 (now that it's licensed digitally) or restore the backup to their drive & stick with the old OS.
 
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Guys an Elderly neighbor of mine is worried about no support for Windows 10.
I know she has a name brand bought in a store type machine.
How would I go about a Windows 10 upgrade for her without paying?
Same situation, practically, that's I'm in with my friend's mom.

My "Deluxe Service", includes:

Assuming that the PC in question has OEM pre-install of Windows 7 64-bit, with or without product key sticker on side of PC.

Install Macrium Reflect Free on their PC (this is to keep it within the license agreement, if you don't care about that, and have a Macrium Rescue USB, then you could use that). If not, install it to their (current) Win7 PC, and make a "Rescue USB" (requires a fresh USB flash drive).

Reboot with that Macrium Rescue USB, and a portable external USB3.0 HDD (presumably, if it came with Win7, it likely has at least one USB3.0 port on it). Choose Image Disk, select all partitions on current internal HDD/SSD, create an image file on the portable external HDD, select 4.0GB file sizes (more on that in the future). It will auto-chunk them, suitable for burning to DVD-R, BD-R, or storing on a FAT32 or exFAT or NTFS-formatted external drive. (Maytbe you need to use 3.99GB, if storing on a FAT32 drive, haven't tested this extensively.)

Then, power-down PC, physically remove HDD, install SSD of sufficient size to contain original filesystem contents, and with enough room for reasonable expansion in the future.

Boot Macrium Restore USB, plug in portable external HDD with backup, RESTORE the backup TO THE SSD.

Then, boot system with SSD internally, make sure that it boots, MAKE SURE TO RE-ACTIVATE IF NECESSARY, IT SHOULD DO SO AUTOMATICALLY.

Then download MCT from Microsoft.com , make another USB stick with Win10 USB installer on it. Then plug in this USB stick, run SETUP.EXE (within Windows 7) to upgrade in-place. (This is safest for OEM systems, that may not have a key-code sticker on them to use with a fresh install of Win10. Also, just pulling the currently-active key from the Win7 OEM installation pre-installed on the factory HDD MAY NOT WORK, as the pre-install keys are "generic", and won't allow a Win10 fresh install w/activation. Most keys on the side of the case ARE unique, and DO allow for a fresh Win10 installation w/activation.)

So, by making sure that the Win7 OS is ACTIVATED again after swapping the SSD in and restoring the backup to that SSD, and then performing the Win10 Upgrade IN-PLACE on the ACTIVATED Win7, should ensure that the Win10, once installed, is ALSO ACTIVATED. (If you don't have a unique Win7 key-code sticker on the side of the PC, this may be the only way to get an activated Win10 installation.)

Once you get Win10 upgrade installed (And it WILL go faster if you use an SSD, by practically an order of magnitude), install all necessary drivers.

So, using the Macrium Reflect rescue USB, once Win10 is installed fully (Drivers, etc.), then make another image backup, to same portable external HDD (or another one, if you filled the first one).

Then take the portable external HDD, with both the pre (Win7) and post (Win10) backups, and burn the 4GB chunks to DVDs (one chunk per disc), or BD-R (5 chunks per disc), or if the backup images were fairly huge, just sell the customer the portable external HDD.

Some notes:

IF doing a Fresh Win10 install w/Win7 key, you could install Macrium Reflect AGAIN into Win10, and make another M.R. Rescue USB based on Win10 and drivers, and also, set up a backup schedule for the user to use, with the portable external HDD that you sold them. (Of course, that might be a danger to the Win7 and Win10 original backups, if M.R. deletes them to make room for newer backups, so possibly, you should squirrel that away somewhere for safe-keeping. Hence the burning of the image file chunks to DVD / BD-R, for permanent archiving.)

Could always buy a cheap external enclosure for original HDD, and store that around too, as a backup, and as a way to access older data files (especially important, if you chose to install Win10 Fresh w/Win7 key).

Also, consider un-installing, or at the very least, updating the Anti-Virus software to the newest edition / version, before upgrading in-place from Win7 to Win10. Having an A/V installed can cause issues, sometimes. Consider un-installing, and then re-installing when done the upgrade.

Edit: Yeah, what @Kaido said, in so many fewer words, LOL. :)
1) Take Macrium reflect backup of existing Win7 system to portable external HDD, using Macrium Rescue USB
2) Un-install Anti-Virus Software
3) If swapping to an SSD, put it in now, and then if upgrading in-place, restore Macrium backup image back to SSD, and then make sure to Activate
4) Perform Upgrade to Win10 in-place, using a MCT USB stick
5) (Optional) Boot Macrium Rescue USB and make another image backup, of the completed/successful Win10 upgrade (so you don't have to do it again, should something happen to their drive/SSD, it's a lengthy process, or can be.)
6) (Optional) If you saved the Macrium image backup into 4GB chunks, burn to DVD or BD-R for safe-keeping, or just sell them the USB portable external HDD.
7) Profit???

Edit: The advantage of doing it that way, with an image backup of the Win7 system, is that, if something gets really borked, you at least have the capability to get their system back to Step 1, without any loss to their system or files, and you don't end up looking un-professional and have to tell them that, due to some driver incompatibility (Because Win10 drivers aren't always the equal of fully-featured drivers for older OSes and older hardware, sometimes, you have to take what you get out of the box for obsolete hardware devices), their system is "hosed", and they need to do data-recovery and buy a new PC. (Macrium image backup can save your professional bacon.)

I had someone actually ARGUING with me, about my method is too convoluted, too long, "just clone it", and swap drives. Well, yes, BUT... faster method taking short-cuts is not always better.
 
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Guys an Elderly neighbor of mine is worried about no support for Windows 10.
I know she has a name brand bought in a store type machine.
How would I go about a Windows 10 upgrade for her without paying?

You can check the specs with Belarc Advisor, but the easiest way is just to download the Win10 upgrade tool - it will check the hardware specs itself when you launch it & give you the green light if the hardware is good enough to run the OS. It will look something like this: (random pic off google)

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I would recommend doing a backup with a tool like Macrium Reflect first, just in case things go haywire. After that, just download the Windows 10 upgrade tool & let it run for a few hours, then walk through the initial setup & your neighbor should be good!

I would warn you that Windows 10 operates best off a solid-state boot drive on a computer that has at least 8 gigs of RAM. You can do less (I've done 2 & 4 gigs, plus a mechanical spinning boot drive), but the experience isn't quite as snappy, for obvious performance reasons. But at least once you get on Win10, you can (1) keep up-to-date with all of the security patches, and (2) you can always upgrade the computer hardware down the road (SSD, more RAM, etc.). Most computers sold these days have a pretty decent CPU that will last for many more years, but some have crappy hard drives or low amounts of memory that neuter the performance quite a bit.
 
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