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Maleficus
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cheating means nothing, if they understand it why should they waste their time doing the work? as long as you know what you're talking about in the end it doesn't matter.
GJ wasting your money if you didn't make the refund deadline though (mine passed already for summer school, thats why i mention this)
GJ wasting your money if you didn't make the refund deadline though (mine passed already for summer school, thats why i mention this)
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Worst reason to drop a class ever. If kids dropped every class they took where a solution manual was available, I don't think many freshman science students would ever graduate. Chem, physics, math - most courses have solution manuals. BTW, what kind of graduate course is this where the prof grades 75% of the class based on homework easy enough to simple look up in solution manuals?
SoulAssassin
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Scarpozzi
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My wife was telling me that she finished taking a test last week.....she heard a girl that finished with the test tell everyone that hadn't taken it yet what was going to be on it.
It kind of made her mad considering she had read countless chapters and memorized a ton of stuff so she knew the material and these stupid girls were going to walk in after reading selected passages 5 minutes before taking it. Hopefully they'll flunk the board exams and have to eventually learn the stuff for real.
It kind of made her mad considering she had read countless chapters and memorized a ton of stuff so she knew the material and these stupid girls were going to walk in after reading selected passages 5 minutes before taking it. Hopefully they'll flunk the board exams and have to eventually learn the stuff for real.
So what? You'll do better on the exams by actually doing the hw and you'll get the better grade.
Most grad courses I've taken don't even collect hw for this very reason... if the distribution of scores is a delta function, then it is inconsequential to your ultimate grade.
Most grad courses I've taken don't even collect hw for this very reason... if the distribution of scores is a delta function, then it is inconsequential to your ultimate grade.
fustercluck
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Let me put it another way.
As a voluntary attendee of a graduate program of study, you are responsible for your own education, even more than was the case when attending voluntary undergraduate courses. The goal of grad school is not to do well in relation to your peers, its to explore and learn more about a subject that you find interesting, or perhaps to hone your skills and acquire knowledge that will lead to a more lucrative career. Either way its up to you to make sure you learn something valuable.
cliffs: The more energy and work you put into a graduate course, the more knowledge and skill you'll gain from it.
Exactly. Many of the doctoral-level courses I've taken place much less emphasis on grades and graded class work than did my undergraduate curriculum. Rather, the importance of the process of finding (and creating, when necessary) knowledge is made paramount. The responsibility to do well is laid almost entirely in the lap of the student, and isn't enforced via grades; basically, if you haven't learned academic responsibility and personal discipline by this point, you should be worrying about much more than bad test scores.
As for the OP, it's obviously your decision to drop the class, but I personally would have stuck around. Just because the other students may be able to easily obtain the test/homework answers doesn't mean that you won't be able to learn the necessary material.
Wow 75% of the class was homework and you could just get the solutions. How do you not take that class?
silverpig
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Every time I've faced a problem in the real world I've been able to sit around with google, papers, textbooks, colleagues etc and solve the problem any way I like. If the solution to the problem can be found on a solutions manual, that's where I'll take it from.
You only get out of a class what you want to.
You should have just stayed in the class and learned what you came to learn. Other students cheating in the class may have gotten an a good grade, but all that's good for is ink on paper.
You should have just stayed in the class and learned what you came to learn. Other students cheating in the class may have gotten an a good grade, but all that's good for is ink on paper.
Uhh, just about every textbook has detailed solutions manuals available for purchase online. I had solutions for just about every textbook in college, plus previous years exams, etc...
It's not cheating at all. It's the professor being too lazy to make his own material. In conclusion, you're an idiot.
It's not cheating at all. It's the professor being too lazy to make his own material. In conclusion, you're an idiot.
Here's a scenario! You have a meanie boss that gets up your a$$ because he says your code to solve the problem is too slow. You say, "There's no way to do it faster! I can come up with a faster heuristic algorithm to solve this problem by coming up with a "good" solution in "most" cases but there's no way to come up with a faster algorithm that is guaranteed to find the "best" solution in "all" cases. Then your meanie boss says, "Just do it you dumb turd!"
Then you prove to him that the problem is NP-Complete. Pwd!
Originally posted by: Random Variable
Well, first of all it's "graduate" not "graudate."
It's a class for students seeking their masters degree.
I didn't type "graudate," you did.
alkemyst
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Originally posted by: RESmonkey
Originally posted by: Random Variable
Well, first of all it's "graduate" not "graudate."
It's a class for students seeking their masters degree.
I didn't type "graudate," you did.
in a fit of grammar rage...he misses the point.
alkemyst
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most students even back when I entered college in 1990, no longer wanted challenges but easy A's.
So many didn't learn anything. If one wants to cheat in a class you don't need a solutions manual to do this (also I don't know of ANY textbook that doesn't have a teachers/solutions manual offered when that text has questions to be answered).
The teacher tries to catch as many as they can. They know there is cheating. As a student it's not so important what your classmates are doing as what you are.
In my Processor class there was C++ code floating around the teacher hinted at this and was hoping someone could do something different for once. (C++ was not a requirement).
I wrote the code in vbscript. I didn't always get the best grades, but I did end up with one of the few A's in that class.
iamwiz82
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I seem to recall the solution manuals being available in the library at my college. What good is an answer without the work, though? I cannot remember a class that didn't require me to show the process, the solutions manuals were just for checking your own work, really.
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