I don't understand why Android tablet manufacturers are failing

[SickBeast]

Yeah but who wants to run a separate app for every single website you visit? That's crazy. Not only that, but if you shop online or take online course you're going to have problems without flash.

In five years things will surely be different, but as of right now I want flag in my browsers.

 

[runawayprisoner]

I take it you've never been to cnn.com or any other site with embedded video?

Just for fun I've disabled flash on my playbook to see what I miss out on. I will report back later.

I take it you have never been to CNN.com on an iPad, yeah? CNN and many other websites serve videos in non-Flash containers specifically for the iPad. Same goes for Youtube, Vimeo, DailyMotion, Facebook, and a few other smaller video hosting sites that I don't want to name.

And those contents are only available on iPad, ironically. They won't work on other tablets.

 

[Ns1]

Yeah but who wants to run a separate app for every single website you visit? That's crazy.

This statement does not reflect reality.

 

[SickBeast]

Well, I know for a fact that the online course I just took required flash, so I would have been out of luck with an ipad. I'm sure that there are tons of sites out there that ipad owners are missing out on. I think it's fine to say that html5 is the future, but as of right now the ipad should have flash, it should have a usb port, it should have a memory card reader, and it should cost about half of what they charge for it.

/rant

 

[runawayprisoner]

There is actually a USB port for iPad, and a card reader, too. You just gotta use adapters for them.

 

[SickBeast]

Doesn't it seem draconian, though, to deny users to option to run flash if they want? That, in a nutshell, is what I hate about Apple and it's why I don't buy their stuff. Let me do whatever I want with the hardware I paid for.

To outright ban flash was crazy and it continues to be crazy imo, html5 and a billion apps or not.

 

[runawayprisoner]

Flash on Android is EOL, too. Flash 11 is the last update for Android... It's not an Apple problem. It's Adobe problem.

If you are frustrated, I'm frustrated 10 times, since I'm a Flash developer. Adobe just hasn't paid as much attention to optimizing Flash as they should.

At least Flash developers like me do have the option of converting our Flash codes to straight native iOS codes and submit our apps to the App Store. I'd imagine that's where the majority of the movement is now. If your school doesn't support it, try contacting them about outing an app for the iPad. If their staff doesn't have the technical how-to, I'd be glad to assist. It's sincerely not that hard to port their Flash courses to iPad.

 

[MaxFusion16]

Doesn't it seem draconian, though, to deny users to option to run flash if they want? That, in a nutshell, is what I hate about Apple and it's why I don't buy their stuff. Let me do whatever I want with the hardware I paid for.

To outright ban flash was crazy and it continues to be crazy imo, html5 and a billion apps or not.

jobs banned flash because it's a resource hog, plain and simple.

Apple wants to ensure a first class user experience, flash drains battery and slows the whole browser to a halt with all the pop ups and banner ads.

I'm glad flash died, don't miss it one bit.

 

[SickBeast]

My playbook can run 1080p embedded flash videos while multitasking a ton of apps, all with pretty much the same hardware as the ipad 2. Flash isn't that bad. It runs horribly on Linux and by extension mac stuff, but on windows and on rim's new qnx system it flies.

 

[zsdersw]

If you live in a basement and detest human contact, I can see your point. Otherwise, it can actually be fun to go out and hang with like-minded people at an event like that.

Waiting in line for hours (or overnight) just for a chance to spend hundreds of dollars on something I can get with little or no waiting in a month or two? No thanks.

If that's your idea of fun, go for it. You should be smart enough to realize, though, that the choices aren't only:

A. wait in line at an Apple store for hours

or

B. live in a basement and detest human contact.

 

[zsdersw]

You might want to get out more and socialize.

You might want to try to come up with jabs that aren't so lame.

Not wanting to spend hours in line != lack of socialization.

 

[akugami]

Yeah but who wants to run a separate app for every single website you visit? That's crazy. Not only that, but if you shop online or take online course you're going to have problems without flash.

In five years things will surely be different, but as of right now I want flag in my browsers.

I've never taken a course online using my iPad but I shop online and am not hampered. In certain cases, especially with shopping and banking, it does make sense to have a dedicated app. Less chance of losing personal info via browser hijacks or some other browser based exploit. Not foolproof by any means as the mobile OS is still a vector for attack, especially on Android, but it's certainly safer.

 

[Pliablemoose]

My playbook can run 1080p embedded flash videos while multitasking a ton of apps, all with pretty much the same hardware as the ipad 2. Flash isn't that bad. It runs horribly on Linux and by extension mac stuff, but on windows and on rim's new qnx system it flies.

I have a PlayBook, and a couple of Android tablets, and an iPhone and a SGNote.

There is NO comparison between the PlayBook and the iPad. It's flipping 1/2 the size/screen and Flash isn't optimized for mobile/fouch use. Flash mobile is EOL, Adobe has formally quit developing it, and the argument is so far from valid it's pitiful. Zooming in and out constantly to interact with full sized web pages is tedious as best, the PlayBook doesn't even have a NetFlix app and it looks like it never will. I emailed eTrade to beg for an app and they told me to wait a year, by that time the PlayBook will be a slug compared to what else is out there.

You've obviously not used an iPad much if at all. I use my PlayBook nearly every day as well as the iPad and Android devices.

Flash crashes on my Windows notebook near daily. A Flash update notification just blew my internet connectivity, 2nd time in a week.

 

[MrX8503]

You might want to try to come up with jabs that aren't so lame.

Not wanting to spend hours in line != lack of socialization.

"Waiting in line" wasn't the part I was referring to.

....sign of rational buy-what's-good-at-a-good-price consumerism... it's a sign of idiocy.

Idiocy....damn those people waiting in lines. They make my blood boil!

 

[Pliablemoose]

You might want to try to come up with jabs that aren't so lame.

Not wanting to spend hours in line != lack of socialization.

I just pre order this stuff, if I didn't have a job, I'd do a line for the hell of it, looks like fun.

 

[zsdersw]

"Waiting in line" wasn't the part I was referring to.

Idiocy....damn those people waiting in lines. They make my blood boil!

Blood boil? No, but it is pretty stupid to wait for hours and hours just for a gadget that you can easily get at a slightly later date without having to wait. Instant gratification isn't always so instant.

 

[zsdersw]

I'd do a line for the hell of it, looks like fun.

That's what a cokehead would say.

 

[Pliablemoose]

That's what a cokehead would say.

This isn't Off Topic

 

[zsdersw]

This isn't Off Topic

That doesn't change anything.

 

[Mopetar]

No, but it is pretty stupid to wait for hours and hours just for a gadget that you can easily get at a slightly later date without having to wait. Instant gratification isn't always so instant.

I think you're missing the point that waiting in line can be fun in its own regards. You're essentially spending time with other people who share a common immediate goal and probably a lot of other interests with you as well. It's a chance to socialize and meet new people.

If the only reason you're in line is to get something now, now, now, then perhaps that's a different thing, but a lot of people have fun with it. Think of it like waiting in line for a concert and talking with other people about the band you're going to see or other music that you've enjoyed recently.

As I mentioned before, the time I stood in line for a Wii was fairly enjoyable just for the people I met and talked with while waiting. I don't know if it's something I'd ever do again, but it was a fun experience.

 

[Bateluer]

That's what a cokehead would say.

When stuff that like gets posted, its probably time for the mods to lock the thread.

 

[TheStu]

That doesn't change anything.

It means that there is a lower tolerance for flippant remarks that could be interpreted at personal attacks. There is also a lower tolerance for derailing threads.

 

[Mopetar]

When stuff that like gets posted, its probably time for the mods to lock the thread.

If you just look out the quote complete out of content it would seem that way, but with the context it's actually a pretty funny joke. The problem is that the context easily gets lost and that with plain text there's no emotion conveyed so what has been inferred could be vastly different from what was implied.

Here's the full context:

I just pre order this stuff, if I didn't have a job, I'd do a line for the hell of it, looks like fun.

That's what a cokehead would say.

I've bolded that part that was specifically replied to show how this could be misinterpreted, but really it's just a play on words. Throwing a or a in there would better convey the mood of the comment, but without that there's no way to clearly determine the tone of the message. It could be mean-spirited or simple jest in good fun.

Jumping on someone for the former without at least pausing to give thought to the possibility of the later only exacerbates the problem. We just end up going off on another tangent and further removing the thread from the original topic. Worse still, it might end up getting the thread locked and that just limits discussion.

That said, this thread is starting to wander off topic. Although I've been thinking about the topic a lot recently, because it was an interesting question, and will try to make a post on it later that offers some good points. Hopefully that can steer things back on course and provide some good conversation on the subject.

 

[Bateluer]

If you just look out the quote complete out of content it would seem that way, but with the context it's actually a pretty funny joke. The problem is that the context easily gets lost and that with plain text there's no emotion conveyed so what has been inferred could be vastly different from what was implied.

Here's the full context:



I've bolded that part that was specifically replied to show how this could be misinterpreted, but really it's just a play on words. Throwing a or a in there would better convey the mood of the comment, but without that there's no way to clearly determine the tone of the message. It could be mean-spirited or simple jest in good fun.

Jumping on someone for the former without at least pausing to give thought to the possibility of the later only exacerbates the problem. We just end up going off on another tangent and further removing the thread from the original topic. Worse still, it might end up getting the thread locked and that just limits discussion.

That said, this thread is starting to wander off topic. Although I've been thinking about the topic a lot recently, because it was an interesting question, and will try to make a post on it later that offers some good points. Hopefully that can steer things back on course and provide some good conversation on the subject.

Thats why I'm not a mod, I jump in and out of threads and don't always read the entire thread after the first couple of pages.

 

[micrometers]

Does anyone remember what the price difference between Apple and various PC makers was back in the 90's? PC's used to be like 1/3 cheaper than a comparable APple. yes, you could argue that apple had some esoteric feature like SCSI drives or something like that, but overall a mac ended up being like $500 more expensive than a PC.

With these tablets the mac option is often more expensive, but at like a hundred bucks.

Only way android can make headway is to dramatically undercut. I"m talking like an asus transformer prime for $250. But given APples's mass of scale, android really can't do this profitably.