I don't understand why Android tablet manufacturers are failing

[Puddle Jumper]

Of course, the catch is that whether Samsung and/or Lg was able to manufacture such a screen or not. It's obviously not cheap technology.

Fixed.

 

[zsdersw]

The main point is that it's a 2x jump from the iPad 2.

1920 x 1080 for Android tablets is like a 1.5x jump at most. When you think about it, the iPad 3 is a massive jump compared to pretty much anything else... even compared to some future Android tablets.

I don't consider 20% a massive jump.

 

[MrX8503]

Your not the only one with IPS displays, I have a Dell Ultrasharp U2312HM on my desktop and an IPS panel in my laptop as well (ThinkPad x220). Sure it's the best option as LCD displays go but leaves a lot to be desired which is why I prefer Plasma for TV's and AMOLED for mobile devices, having actual blacks and massively superior response times more than negates the few advantages IPS offers.

I don't think I ever said I'm the only one that uses IPS displays. Photo professionals and others who require color accuracy have been using IPS for a long time. I'm not sure who you're trying to convince that its an inferior technology.

OLED has its advantages/disadvantages too. I'd like a high resolution OLED, in a mobile device, but that isn't possible yet without pentile. So we're back to IPS, which is a great panel. Its not like we're talking TN here.

You do realize the Transformer Prime and pretty much all other Android tablets are IPS as well right? Asus just happenes to sue better quality panels than Apple does.

IPS isn't some special advbatage only Apple has.

No one said that IPS was Apple exclusive. We're just saying that a 263ppi 10" IPS is exclusive to Apple for now.

 

[BenSkywalker]

Painfully slow response times, terrible contrast ratio= Best display evar! So Sayeth Apple!

We're just saying that a 263ppi 10" IPS is exclusive to Apple for now.

No, it isn't. Samsung, Matsushita(Panasonic), Sony, LG, Vizio- one of them are making Apple's displays. The one thing all of those companies share in common is that they all produce Android devices. Apple can't make anything on their own, they don't have the capability of it. They are buying a crap display off of someone who makes Android based devices and putting it in their tablet. I keep mentioning this as it has nothing to do with the fact that Apple is using it, someone who makes Android devices is producing that display to put in the iPad3.

People act as if those of us pointing out that LCD is lousy technology are doing so because it is Apple. Please try and find a large thread of Android users claiming a high res LCD was the next big thing? You won't, because it is so shockingly stupid you would have to be a devout follower to come close to buying it.

Very bad technology is very bad technology. LCD is very bad technology. The lies people are starting to state in this thread about OLEDs is straight out of the Jobs RDF handbook. OLED can't handle gray? Too much red push? Really? This is a forum full of people who know, clearly, *far* more then you do when you say such things.

Apple could come out and say they are coming out with a tablet that has a truly good, OLED based screen and I would be very interested in checking out. LCD is a flat out terrible technology that has sucked since we got forced into it and is thankfully being replaced by a vastly superior technology.

 

[theeedude]

Back to topic, resolution is obviously not the reason Android tablets are "failing."
10" Androids had higher resolution than iPad for a year now.
And the best selling Android tablets are 7" 1024x600. Consumers are speaking loud and clear that they prefer a lower price in case of Kindle Fire, or Apple OS/brand in case of iPad, over higher resolution screens. Android vendors who try to outdo iPad3 and go with 2560x1600 resolutions at $500 will be handily outsold by 1920x1200 tablets at $300-400.

 

[MrX8503]

Painfully slow response times, terrible contrast ratio= Best display evar! So Sayeth Apple!

Uh...photo professionals and the like prefer IPS.

No, it isn't. Samsung, Matsushita(Panasonic), Sony, LG, Vizio- one of them are making Apple's displays. The one thing all of those companies share in common is that they all produce Android devices. Apple can't make anything on their own, they don't have the capability of it. They are buying a crap display off of someone who makes Android based devices and putting it in their tablet. I keep mentioning this as it has nothing to do with the fact that Apple is using it, someone who makes Android devices is producing that display to put in the iPad3.

Can you link me to a tablet (or future tablet) that's using this display? Thanks.

Back to topic, resolution is obviously not the reason Android tablets are "failing."
10" Androids had higher resolution than iPad for a year now.
And the best selling Android tablets are 7" 1024x600. Consumers are speaking loud and clear that they prefer a lower price in case of Kindle Fire, or Apple OS/brand in case of iPad, over higher resolution screens. Android vendors who try to outdo iPad3 and go with 2560x1600 resolutions at $500 will be handily outsold by 1920x1200 tablets at $300-400.

I agree, its not the display that's killing Android. At $500, most consumers will pick an iPad over competitors.

 

[runawayprisoner]

I don't consider 20% a massive jump.

Then how do you consider the iPad 2 having worse resolution than similarly sized Android tablets when it's only a 13% difference? Or did you mean to compare the iPad 2 to smaller Android tablets?

 

[zsdersw]

Then how do you consider the iPad 2 having worse resolution than similarly sized Android tablets when it's only a 13% difference? Or did you mean to compare the iPad 2 to smaller Android tablets?

Because it does have worse resolution than similarly sized Android tablets.. that doesn't mean the difference is "massive". 13% worse is 13% worse... never said it was "massive".

 

[runawayprisoner]

In any case, iPad 3 now has that beastly 20% advantage over future Android tablets, officially.

And 44% more saturated colors than iPad 2, too, for whatever that's worth to AMOLED fans.

 

[MrX8503]

In any case, iPad 3 now has that beastly 20% advantage over future Android tablets, officially.

And 44% more saturated colors than iPad 2, too, for whatever that's worth to AMOLED fans.

Yeah, Apple just squashed every shortcoming of their iPad2, if you like iOS anyway. Funny how we went through a whole spiel about saturation of IPS displays and now Apple addresses it.

 

[runawayprisoner]

I just hope it's not simply boosting saturation but actualy boosting dynamic range. Just boosting saturation will render some colors clipped pretty badly, like SAMOLED...

 

[Mopetar]

Has anyone done any empirical testing to see whether or not the additional saturation would actually make the displayed image closer to the actual image? If adding more saturation just makes something over-saturated I can't say I'd care for it much.

 

[MrX8503]

From how I interpreted it Apple boosted the saturation slightly. I don't think it'll be over saturated. We won't know till the devices ship though.

 

[finbarqs]

I just hope it's not simply boosting saturation but actualy boosting dynamic range. Just boosting saturation will render some colors clipped pretty badly, like SAMOLED...

Boosting dynamic range? you mean like HDR screens? We'll just see what the contrast ratio on that screen is... I'm guessing we wont have an issue seeing the shadows vs. highlights...

 

[cohenfive]

slight change in topic....is the lack of flash support not a big deal for ipad fans?

 

[Mopetar]

slight change in topic....is the lack of flash support not a big deal for ipad fans?

Most probably don't care, and for the vast majority it's not a deal breaker. Even so, it becomes less of an issue every day as HTML 5 gets better and flash becomes less prevalent. Even Adobe has given up on it which greatly limits its future.

 

[MaxFusion16]

slight change in topic....is the lack of flash support not a big deal for ipad fans?

newsflash......flash is dead, forget ipad fans, it's not even supported on the next version of android, ICS is the end of the line.

 

[alent1234]

slight change in topic....is the lack of flash support not a big deal for ipad fans?

there is no ipad fans. it's tablet users and the small minority of android fans that buy the google sanctioned android tablets. most people buy ipads, kindles and nooks

 

[zsdersw]

there is no ipad fans.

Perhaps, but there are Apple fans... who would buy a piece of shit as long as it had the Apple logo on it.

 

[alent1234]

apple has sold something like 60 million ipads. that's almost half the households in the USA. by the end of this year or next it will be almost every household

 

[MrX8503]

Perhaps, but there are Apple fans... who would buy a piece of shit as long as it had the Apple logo on it.

And then you have those Apple haters that wouldn't buy it if it was a piece of gold embedded with diamonds just because it has an Apple logo on it.

 

[zsdersw]

And then you have those Apple haters that wouldn't buy it if it was a piece of gold embedded with diamonds just because it has an Apple logo on it.

Gold + diamonds + Apple logo = the sky-high price trifecta.

 

[TheStu]

Perhaps, but there are Apple fans... who would buy a piece of shit as long as it had the Apple logo on it.

You just stated something that is demonstrably false. Remember the iPhone Bluetooth headset? It was pretty crummy, and they stopped selling it before the iPhone 3G came out. Then there was the original AppleTV. It didn't really start to sell until the last version came out for a significantly lower price.

The iPod HiFi
The G4 Cube
The original MacBook Air

People turn out in droves to buy Apple products because they are quality products at a (for the purchasers) reasonable price. Just because you don't agree doesn't make anyone that buys any Apple product deluded. I don't care if people don't like Apple, or their products. Or want to argue that they feel they get more for their dollar with an SGSII or a Thunderbolt (just pulling names out of a hat here). It is when they make the statement (not saying you did) that anyone that does buy Apple obviously had to be conned into doing so, or only did so because they were a fanboy, that they stopped talking rationally.

 

[cheezy321]

Watch out, you don't want to get sucked into the reality distortion field the apple haters create

 

[zsdersw]

You just stated something that is demonstrably false. Remember the iPhone Bluetooth headset? It was pretty crummy, and they stopped selling it before the iPhone 3G came out. Then there was the original AppleTV. It didn't really start to sell until the last version came out for a significantly lower price.

The iPod HiFi
The G4 Cube
The original MacBook Air

People turn out in droves to buy Apple products because they are quality products at a (for the purchasers) reasonable price. Just because you don't agree doesn't make anyone that buys any Apple product deluded. I don't care if people don't like Apple, or their products. Or want to argue that they feel they get more for their dollar with an SGSII or a Thunderbolt (just pulling names out of a hat here). It is when they make the statement (not saying you did) that anyone that does buy Apple obviously had to be conned into doing so, or only did so because they were a fanboy, that they stopped talking rationally.

If it's a popular POS with the Apple logo on it, Apple fans will buy it.