I don't understand why Android tablet manufacturers are failing

[bearxor]

Android tablets aren't failing. For the first time since the iPad was released Best Buy's best selling tablet is running Android:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Tablets-...at209000050008

I think there's still some debate as to whether we can consider a Fire an Android tablet, considering it does almost nothing to further Google's purpose with the Android platform.

By almost nothing, I mean that Google gets revenue from the search results, but all other pieces of the Android ecosystem, including the main thing Google wants, which is to collect information about you, are gone.

Probably a debate for another thread though.

 

[cheezy321]

Android tablets aren't failing. For the first time since the iPad was released Best Buy's best selling tablet is running Android:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Tablets-...at209000050008

Kindle fire isnt a true android tablet. It doesn't provide anything close to the ICS experience.

 

[BenSkywalker]

Lol, you seem a little butthurt that, if rumors are true, Apple will be releasing a 10" tablet thats very high res.

And Android platform maker is the one building all of those displays since Apple doesn't have the ability to do something like that. It is an Android maker that is going to be building the dinosaur displays going into the iPad3. It is an Android maker that is once again holding back progress. The problem I have is with the typical Apple apologists acting like a PoS is incredible. Very normal for Apple fans, too bad they won't stand up for themselves and demand a quality product. I can imagine how that meeting went down-

Boss- "WTF were you guys thinking starting a production run on 20x15 10" 4:3 LCD displays, what kind of utter moron is going to pay for a lame duck product like that when there are much better options available that are superior in every way?"

Engineer- "Apple called up"

Boss- "lol, alright then, double the price and quadruple production"

I think there's still some debate as to whether we can consider a Fire an Android tablet

There is absolutely zero debate about that actually.

considering it does almost nothing to further Google's purpose

What fanboys like to fap over has nothing to do with reality. The Fire is absolutely an Android device even if it is responsible for the outright demise of Google. In the real world, away from products with an Apple logo, reality dictates what is and isn't, not marketing or RDF.

 

[KLin]

I"ll be buying an iPad HD just as soon as I have the money for one.

 

[MrX8503]

And Android platform maker is the one building all of those displays since Apple doesn't have the ability to do something like that. It is an Android maker that is going to be building the dinosaur displays going into the iPad3. It is an Android maker that is once again holding back progress. The problem I have is with the typical Apple apologists acting like a PoS is incredible. Very normal for Apple fans, too bad they won't stand up for themselves and demand a quality product. I can imagine how that meeting went down-

Boss- "WTF were you guys thinking starting a production run on 20x15 10" 4:3 LCD displays, what kind of utter moron is going to pay for a lame duck product like that when there are much better options available that are superior in every way?"

Lol, it does look like you have resentment towards Apple for having a high res display at 10" before any "Android platform maker" as you say it. You keep screaming your heart out about how a 10" IPS 2048 x 1536px is a "POS", while the rest of us will enjoy using the display.

If rumors are true, the iPad3 display will be a giant leap forward for tablets. Sorry that its not on an Android device for you to drool over.

 

[Pliablemoose]

To be honest, I thought the iPad was going to do well, I never dreamed it would do as well as it has, I don't think Apple even realized what it was going to do to the industry.

I'll be buying one, it'll be my fourth iPad, I've had 2 gen 1's and a gen 2. Think I'll go with a 16GB WiFi, since I can tether to my phone.

 

[Bateluer]

Lol, it does look like you have resentment towards Apple for having a high res display at 10" before any "Android platform maker" as you say it. You keep screaming your heart out about how a 10" IPS 2048 x 1536px is a "POS", while the rest of us will enjoy using the display.

If rumors are true, the iPad3 display will be a giant leap forward for tablets. Sorry that its not on an Android device for you to drool over.

Err, you do know that there are 1080p 10in Android devices already in the production pipeline, right? And they'll hit the market around the same time as the gen 3 iPad, roughly. Apple's just going to announce something tomorrow, it won't land in retail channels for a bit longer.



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[bearxor]

Err, you do know that there are 1080p 10in Android devices already in the production pipeline, right? And they'll hit the market around the same time as the gen 3 iPad, roughly. Apple's just going to announce something tomorrow, it won't land in retail channels for a bit longer.

So within the next 14 days?

 

[MrX8503]

Err, you do know that there are 1080p 10in Android devices already in the production pipeline, right? And they'll hit the market around the same time as the gen 3 iPad, roughly. Apple's just going to announce something tomorrow, it won't land in retail channels for a bit longer.

I'm aware of that, but its still a lower resolution. Saying the iPad3 display is a "POS" is further from the truth and so I was just pointing that out. The 1080p display will be impressive too, I just think people will be clamoring over the iPad 3's display.

If the iPad3 is announced tomorrow, its release won't be too long afterwards. That's how Apple rolls.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

The 1080p display in Android tablets could easily be better than the "retina" display in the iPad 3. After all the Transformer Prime has a better display than the iPad 2 and not just due to being higher resolution.

 

[MrX8503]

The 1080p display in Android tablets could easily be better than the "retina" display in the iPad 3. After all the Transformer Prime has a better display than the iPad 2 and not just due to being higher resolution.

I would say thats more minor compared to the resolution bump in the iPad3.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

I would say thats more minor compared to the resolution bump in the iPad3.

1080p isn't exactly low res and once you have adeqate resolution panel quality is more important that a further increase in pixel density.

 

[MrX8503]

Well then we obviously have differing opinions. I still think the iPad3 will have the display to beat.

 

[Oyeve]

Well then we obviously have differing opinions. I still think the iPad3 will have the display to beat.

Yeah, I kinda tend to agree with this too. Lets face it, apple has the time (only one platform/os to deaal with) and the resources.

 

[MrX8503]

I think the downtime for apps being "retina-ized" or converted to HD will be a lot less on the iPad too than it will be for an Android tablet having 1080p. This all goes back to Apple having less devices to worry about of course.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

Properly designed Android apps won't need any converting to work on a 1080p tablet since they would already be resolution agnostic.

Why does everyone assume the iPad 3 display will be the best when the ipad 2's display is far from it?

 

[zsdersw]

I would say thats more minor compared to the resolution bump in the iPad3.

Yes, going from 1024x768 @ 132ppi in the iPad 2 to what the iPad 3 is going to have will seem a big jump... but mainly because the iPad 2's resolution sucked, not because the 3's is so much better than the resolutions/densities available on some Android tablets.

For iPad 2 owners who've never looked at an Android tablet (which is probably a majority of them) the 3's screen will seem like a huge jump. Ignorance is bliss, I suppose.

 

[MrX8503]

Yes, going from 1024x768 @ 132ppi in the iPad 2 to what the iPad 3 is going to have will seem a big jump... but mainly because the iPad 2's resolution sucked, not because the 3's is so much better than the resolutions/densities available on some Android tablets.

For iPad 2 owners who've never looked at an Android tablet (which is probably a majority of them) the 3's screen will seem like a huge jump. Ignorance is bliss, I suppose.

I've seen a 7" android tablet and I love the density. I just want it in a 10" screen...which is why the iPad3's screen is going to be a very big deal.

Properly designed Android apps won't need any converting to work on a 1080p tablet since they would already be resolution agnostic.

Why does everyone assume the iPad 3 display will be the best when the ipad 2's display is far from it?

I guess we'll see if those apps are universal. Everything on Android isn't exactly a smooth transition. The iPad2's display is IPS, couple that with high resolution and its easy to see that it'll be one of the best displays available on a tablet.

 

[runawayprisoner]

Yes, going from 1024x768 @ 132ppi in the iPad 2 to what the iPad 3 is going to have will seem a big jump... but mainly because the iPad 2's resolution sucked, not because the 3's is so much better than the resolutions/densities available on some Android tablets.

Uh... no. To put things in perspective:

1280x800 @ 10.1" = 149ppi
1920x1080 @ 10.1" = 218ppi
1024x768 @ 9.7" = 132ppi
2048x768 @ 9.7" = 264ppi

149ppi vs 132ppi = 1.13x (13% sharper)
264ppi vs 149ppi = 1.8x (80% sharper)
264ppi vs 218ppi = 1.2x (20% sharper)

It's a massive jump. 80% sharper than the current standard Android tablet, and 20% sharper than the next 1080p tablets that will come out. If you find 10.1" Android tablets having better resolution than the iPad 2 with only a 13% difference in pixel density, imagine the difference of 80% compared to the iPad 3, or 20% between the iPad 3 and the upcoming 1080p tablets.

If you want to bring 7" into the mix...

1280x720 @ 7" = 210ppi

264ppi vs 210ppi = 1.26x (26% sharper)

So it'll be a massive jump regardless of what screen you look at. Numbers don't lie.

To match the iPad 3 in pixel density, Android manufacturers will have to look at 10.1" screens at resolution higher than 2240 x 1400, or 7" panels that are around 1600 x 1000 in resolution. It's arbitrary because there isn't any standard resolution around there.

However, Apple can still nicely scale to 330ppi on current iPhone-level Retina Display by moving to the next standard 4:3 resolution of 2560 x 1920. I'd imagine such a move to be a nice upgrade from the iPad 3, if and when Apple decides to do so.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

I guess we'll see if those apps are universal. Everything on Android isn't exactly a smooth transition. The iPad2's display is IPS, couple that with high resolution and its easy to see that it'll be one of the best displays available on a tablet.

IPS doesn't mean it will be the best, the iPad 2 has a IPS display but it's still not as good as the Transformer Prime's display.

In fact IPS basically guarantees the contrast of the iPad 3's display will be mediocre at best since IPS has such poor black levels. Granted Apple fans only seem to care about resolution and then only if Apple offers a higher resolution display than the competition.

 

[MrX8503]

Thanks for the math runawayprisoner.

Here's some ppi numbers I pulled.

263.92 PPI for iPad3
215.63 PPI for 1280 x 800 @ 7"

I think that's a pretty sizable difference. Also the iPad will be 9.7", much larger than a 7" so the clarity will be even more pronounced.

IPS doesn't mean it will be the best, the iPad 2 has a IPS display but it's still not as good as the Transformer Prime's display.

In fact IPS basically guarantees the contrast of the iPad 3's display will be mediocre at best since IPS has such poor black levels.

I've been using IPS for years for graphic work, I don't think you'll change my mind of IPS technology. Some are better than others of course, but IPS is what I prefer.

 

[zsdersw]

Uh... no. To put things in perspective:

1280x800 @ 10.1" = 149ppi
1920x1080 @ 10.1" = 218ppi
1024x768 @ 9.7" = 132ppi
2048x768 @ 9.7" = 264ppi

149ppi vs 132ppi = 1.13x (13% sharper)
264ppi vs 149ppi = 1.8x (80% sharper)
264ppi vs 218ppi = 1.2x (20% sharper)

It's a massive jump. 80% sharper than the current standard Android tablet, and 20% sharper than the next 1080p tablets that will come out. If you find 10.1" Android tablets having better resolution than the iPad 2 with only a 13% difference in pixel density, imagine the difference of 80% compared to the iPad 3, or 20% between the iPad 3 and the upcoming 1080p tablets.

If you want to bring 7" into the mix...

1280x720 @ 7" = 210ppi

264ppi vs 210ppi = 1.26x (26% sharper)

So it'll be a massive jump regardless of what screen you look at. Numbers don't lie.

Uh, yes... it would be 2x the sharpness of the iPad 2 (if your 2048x768 number is accurate), which is more than the 1.8x of the standard resolution Android tablet.

No, it won't always be a massive jump... and it remains a bigger jump from the iPad 2 than from the standard Android tablet resolution.

 

[runawayprisoner]

IPS doesn't mean it will be the best, the iPad 2 has a IPS display but it's still not as good as the Transformer Prime's display.

In fact IPS basically guarantees the contrast of the iPad 3's display will be mediocre at best since IPS has such poor black levels. Granted Apple fans only seem to care about resolution and then only if Apple offers a higher resolution display than the competition.

The iPad 2 had a worse display than iPad 1 due to quality control issues, by the way. It's not like IPS screens in general are worse than the Transformer Prime's display.

Also SAMOLED isn't the be-all end-all super blackness. It suffers from other problems, too, like high power consumption for displaying plain white background, inability to reproduce shades of gray or anything brighter than dark black, and clipping red colors due to oversaturation.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

Thanks for the math runawayprisoner.

Here's some ppi numbers I pulled.

263.92 PPI for iPad3
215.63 PPI for 1280 x 800 @ 7"

I think that's a pretty sizable difference. Also the iPad will be 9.7", much larger than a 7" so the clarity will be even more pronounced.



I've been using IPS for years for graphic work, I don't think you'll change my mind of IPS technology. Some are better than others of course, but IPS is what I prefer.

Your not the only one with IPS displays, I have a Dell Ultrasharp U2312HM on my desktop and an IPS panel in my laptop as well (ThinkPad x220). Sure it's the best option as LCD displays go but leaves a lot to be desired which is why I prefer Plasma for TV's and AMOLED for mobile devices, having actual blacks and massively superior response times more than negates the few advantages IPS offers.

The iPad 2 had a worse display than iPad 1 due to quality control issues, by the way. It's not like IPS screens in general are worse than the Transformer Prime's display.

You do realize the Transformer Prime and pretty much all other Android tablets are IPS as well right? Asus just happenes to sue better quality panels than Apple does.

IPS isn't some special advbatage only Apple has.

 

[runawayprisoner]

Uh, yes... it would be 2x the sharpness of the iPad 2 (if your 2048x768 number is accurate), which is more than the 1.8x of the standard resolution Android tablet.

It won't always be a massive jump.

The main point is that it's a 2x jump from the iPad 2.

1920 x 1080 for Android tablets is like a 1.5x jump at most. When you think about it, the iPad 3 is a massive jump compared to pretty much anything else... even compared to some future Android tablets.

Of course, the catch is that whether Apple was able to manufacture such a screen or not. It's obviously not cheap technology.