I don't remember what happened to me on Nov. 13 2006

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: moshquerade
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Well then that settles it, didnt know you had a relative in LE, sorry :roll:

no need to roll your eyes. we're all more sensitive to an issue when it hits close to home aren't we?

3 cops, crying drunk college girl (or equivilant), no aggressive behavior that they could not have handled without a taser.

My BIL used to be a cop and had that been him in the video, my opinion would have been the same.

Rights violated, fire the cop, pay the chick.

Message sent that while it "fun" to taser people, you will be fired if you dont use common sense.

"used to be" ? so he's not a cop anymore?


all i am saying, and you are failing to comprehend, is YOU don't know the whole story and neither do i. that is why a knee jerk reaction condemning the cop may not be the correct one.

We dont know the whole story no, we know there was 3 cops and one drunken girl that had no weapons.

She may have killed someone an hour before, yet since it was pretty evident in that short clip that she was not dangerous at the time, why not just restraint here?

Maybe she was excersising her right to civil disobidience.
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why did your BIL quit law enforcement?

 

[Cattlegod]

she needs to sue the living sh*t out of the police force for that crap and both of those asses need to lose their job.

edit: and for those who say "we don't know the whole story", i say we know enough. They could have taken her down physically and cuffed her without an issue. What if there had been the corner of the desk instead of the chair where her head hit? She could be dead or have severe brain damage.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
she needs to sue the living sh*t out of the police force for that crap and both of those asses need to lose their job.

edit: and for those who say "we don't know the whole story", i say we know enough. They could have taken her down physically and cuffed her without an issue. What if there had been the corner of the desk instead of the chair where her head hit? She could be dead or have severe brain damage.

maybe she should think of the people that could be dead because she was driving drunk?

anyways, i found the story. so we know it, and can now be the judge and jury.

Officer Fired For Using Taser Gun On Woman

POSTED: 11:58 am EST November 21, 2006
UPDATED: 7:19 pm EST November 21, 2006

SHEFFIELD, Ohio -- A Sheffield Village police office was fired for using his Taser gun on a woman in custody, NewsChannel5 reported.

A security camera in the police booking room caught the incident on video.

Officer Edward Long shocked an allegedly intoxicated 32-year-old Kristina Fretter after Long said she was being unruly.

Fretter was taken to the hospital. She was treated and released.

Officials said this was not the first time Long had been involved in an incident. He already served one suspension, was facing another, and has been involved in three accidents with his police car.

Long had been the police force for two years.

http://www.newsnet5.com/news/10371306/detail.html


more:

Police officer fired for excessive use of force




Created: 11/20/2006 5:30:35 PM
Updated:11/21/2006 10:39:40 AM

SHEFFIELD -- Officer Edward Long was trained in the use of the department issued Tasers but his superiors say the deployment of one in this case was dead wrong.
By most accounts, the suspect, Kristina Fretter, was belligerent and nasty but she was also handcuffed and had her back to the officer.

Still, Long fired 50,000 volts into her body.

The arrest of Fretter was not easy. Three times she slipped out of her handcuffs. She was not cooperative and downright mean.

After a week long internal investigation, Mayor Darlene Ondercin fired rookie officer Long

"She wasn't screaming," Ondercin said. "She wasn't kicking. She wasn't moving around absolutely nothing."

The mayor followed the recommendation of Long's boss, Chief Mike Gurich.

"She was acting out but not to the level of Taser usage," Gurich said.

Sheffield Taser policy is consistent with other departments across the country reviewed by Target 3. Only when a handcuffed suspect is acting out violently should police consider using a Taser.

"They could have used hands-on techniques, as far as prisoner escort positions if it [was] where she was too combative they could have used joint manipulation," Gurich said.

Officer Long told his chief that he feared for the safety of the female dispatcher, sent into the booking room to search Fretter.

"If she, [Fretter] broke away from Todd, [the second officer], she could slam her up against the wall and hit her head or something," Long said.

Target 3 attempted to get the officer's side of the story at his Elyria home. Long's father turned us away at the door.

Even though he was trained two years ago, this was the first time he shot his Taser. And, apparently, his last.

http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=59556


She probably has a lawsuit pending.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: bctbct
Just another clip of cops using excessive force.

My first reaction was:

"Oh my god, get the video and sue the police department"

That was TOTALLY UNCALLED FOR! What jury is going to side with the cops. She is just standing there yelling, she was not attacking or threatening them. a big WTF!

 

[Aharami]

2 male cops couldnt handle a drunk chick w/o using the taser?

edit: looks like justice was served. that cop really wasnt a good example of a figure of authority

 

[3NF]

Apparently, Edward Long is not a very bright individual ...

 

[amicold]

Originally posted by: Hyperlite
TAZER TAZER TAZER DEPLOY!


thats my new battle cry.






that said, using a tazer didn't look necessary.

ROFLMAO. I don't know why, but he sounded like some cheap-as$ talking action figure made for 8 year olds.

 

[b0mbrman]

I wonder why Long is the one getting the brunt of the punishment. The other guy in the video yells out, "Give her the taser"

 

[Accipiter22]

Man do I dislike police officers. My disgust with them grows by the day. Honestly, it's a 100 lbs. lady who's HANDCUFFED.

 

[Alone]

TAZER TAZER TAZER DEPLOY!!

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

This can't be real.

 

[cdmccool]

Originally posted by: Ricemarine
"tazer tazer tazer deploy!"

LOL!

 

[grrl]

Originally posted by: Hyperlite
TAZER TAZER TAZER DEPLOY!

using a tazer didn't look necessary.

 

[dighn]

lmao

excessive yes, but I don't feel sorry for her (well.. unless she got injured which doesn't look like it). going up against the police for no reason is one of the dumbest things one can do.

 

[Mears]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
she needs to sue the living sh*t out of the police force for that crap and both of those asses need to lose their job.

edit: and for those who say "we don't know the whole story", i say we know enough. They could have taken her down physically and cuffed her without an issue. What if there had been the corner of the desk instead of the chair where her head hit? She could be dead or have severe brain damage.

maybe she should think of the people that could be dead because she was driving drunk?

anyways, i found the story. so we know it, and can now be the judge and jury.

Officer Fired For Using Taser Gun On Woman

POSTED: 11:58 am EST November 21, 2006
UPDATED: 7:19 pm EST November 21, 2006

SHEFFIELD, Ohio -- A Sheffield Village police office was fired for using his Taser gun on a woman in custody, NewsChannel5 reported.

A security camera in the police booking room caught the incident on video.

Officer Edward Long shocked an allegedly intoxicated 32-year-old Kristina Fretter after Long said she was being unruly.

Fretter was taken to the hospital. She was treated and released.

Officials said this was not the first time Long had been involved in an incident. He already served one suspension, was facing another, and has been involved in three accidents with his police car.

Long had been the police force for two years.

http://www.newsnet5.com/news/10371306/detail.html


more:

Police officer fired for excessive use of force




Created: 11/20/2006 5:30:35 PM
Updated:11/21/2006 10:39:40 AM

SHEFFIELD -- Officer Edward Long was trained in the use of the department issued Tasers but his superiors say the deployment of one in this case was dead wrong.
By most accounts, the suspect, Kristina Fretter, was belligerent and nasty but she was also handcuffed and had her back to the officer.

Still, Long fired 50,000 volts into her body.

The arrest of Fretter was not easy. Three times she slipped out of her handcuffs. She was not cooperative and downright mean.

After a week long internal investigation, Mayor Darlene Ondercin fired rookie officer Long

"She wasn't screaming," Ondercin said. "She wasn't kicking. She wasn't moving around absolutely nothing."

The mayor followed the recommendation of Long's boss, Chief Mike Gurich.

"She was acting out but not to the level of Taser usage," Gurich said.

Sheffield Taser policy is consistent with other departments across the country reviewed by Target 3. Only when a handcuffed suspect is acting out violently should police consider using a Taser.

"They could have used hands-on techniques, as far as prisoner escort positions if it [was] where she was too combative they could have used joint manipulation," Gurich said.

Officer Long told his chief that he feared for the safety of the female dispatcher, sent into the booking room to search Fretter.

"If she, [Fretter] broke away from Todd, [the second officer], she could slam her up against the wall and hit her head or something," Long said.

Target 3 attempted to get the officer's side of the story at his Elyria home. Long's father turned us away at the door.

Even though he was trained two years ago, this was the first time he shot his Taser. And, apparently, his last.

http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=59556


She probably has a lawsuit pending.

This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. Look, you don't need video footage beyond what is in that clip to determine that the cop obviously used excessive force.

 

[paulney]

They are lucky she fell on a chair, and that cushioned her fall somewhat. Had it been the corner of that table, she'd be dead.

Just a couple of days ago I was listening to some big wig from police on NPR explaining how they use tazer as the last step before lethal force. Yeah, right.

 

[Kalvin00]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
More proof that today's cops are pussies with badges.

They have to be, otherwise they will get sued for using excessive force or something.

Blame the pussies that are the American public...

 

[Canai]

fvcking cops. fvck them.

Not that I hate police or anything, but as was mentioned before, tazers are NOT a method of compliance, they are a method of removing suspects and officers from danger.

Drunk handcuffed girl? Danger? More like weak, fat, disgusting excuse for police.

 

[clamum]

LOL @ "tazer tazer tazer deploy" :laugh:

Stupid pigs couldn't even put handcuffs on her? Must think they're hot sh!t with that tazer.

 

[Jahee]

Originally posted by: amicold

Originally posted by: Hyperlite
TAZER TAZER TAZER DEPLOY!

I think they were saying taze her taze her..

 

[rivan]

Originally posted by: bctbct
Just another clip of cops using excessive force.

Sheeze, I read your post and was totally ready to stand up for the cops. Then I watched the clip. I agree - she was absolutely no threat... wasted, cuffed, in a room with 3 cops.

 

[rivan]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: bctbct
Just another clip of cops using excessive force.

you don't know that.

she could have been warned numerous times to cooperate or she was going to get tazed.
how do you know we saw all the video of her?

Of course we don't know all of the circumstances. But if she was really drunk, a lot of drunk people are incapacitated mentally and physically (usually from their own doing) so I don't see the need to use a tazer in that video. But again, we don't know the whole story.

I fail to see how the 'suspect' could have seriously posed a danger to the cops though. Handcuff her first. Tazer later if need be. It's not like she was going to go anywhere.

the tazer use may well have been excessive. all i am saying is not to judge unless you know all the circumstances. having a relative in law enforcement i know that FAR too often they are not given the support they deserve for doing their job correctly.

Same here - a relative and a close friend are both cops - and both take far too much crap from the public they're there to protect.

 

[Tobolo]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: bctbct
Just another clip of cops using excessive force.

you don't know that.

she could have been warned numerous times to cooperate or she was going to get tazed.
how do you know we saw all the video of her?

It doesnt matter how many times she was "warned." She was not violent and did not appear to be a threat. It also looked like she was wearing handcuffs. So lets see. No violence + handcuffs = justification for tazering? Come on.

I usually support the police and I generally trust their judgement, but when some is out of line there is no excuse. This is about as bad as the guy getting shot on the front porch when he had a shoe. Actually he got shout 15 times I believe. And the police dog too.

 

[rivan]

By the way - thanks, Mosh, for finding the story =)

 

[Double Trouble]

Even without seeing the full story or video, it seems pretty evident that there was no way any reasonable person would think the woman was enough of a safety threat that she had to be tasered. Seems like excessive force to me.

That's why I like cameras in such buildings, in police cars etc. Had there not been a camera in this case, there's no way she would have been able to get the guy fired. Now, the guy got fired and I'm sure the police dept will get sued -- that will be a good incentive for them to better prepare their officers on when to use a taser.

 

[jiggahertz]

There was an episode of cops last night where this rather large man didn't want to leave a bar. He was waving his hands around slowly like he was some kung-fu master. They sprayed him with pepper spray repeatedly. First he kinda dumped a beer on his face and stood there. Then he went to a sink and slowly poured some water over himself as the police continued with a steady stream of pepper spray. Most of the cops were coughing from the fumes in the room and this guy was fine. They finally overpowered him with about 10 cops. One of the cops started to pour water in his eyes and the guy just kept saying "I'm fine". Doesn't really have anything to do with this story, but it was pretty impressive.