I dont like Black History Month

[AStar617]

Can I call for the useless flames on BOTH sides to stop for the sake of the argument?

Buried under all the misconceptions by the detractors of Black History Month I see a considerable amount of desire from some to actually understand the situation more, and I'm happy to help those understand better. Arguing about whether Poster X's great-grandparents were slaveowners or whether we got our promised 40 acres and a mule is far outside the scope of this discussion IMHO.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: CoolTech
Like they would include it in their lesson plans if they didnt have to? This coming from educators really shed some light into how little some people want to embrace or accept the fact that minorities and African Americans in specific made significant contributions to the country (e.g. stories like HBO's Something the Lord Made).

I'll ask you the same thing I've asked others on this board that don't respond: exactly who are our educational systems overlooking? Please name these egregious oversights. I saw a commercial last night about black history month. It was about the first black woman to run in the Olympics. WTF?! How is that necessary for ANYONE to know? I'm sorry, but that just isn't important enough to warrant special attention. I'm not saying that it's not important for blacks to know that, but I don't want my kids in school losing time they could spend on more important figures than that.

Let me put it to you this way: I think that history should be covered, slowly, from earliest known history to the present. Along the way, you stop at the most important turns in history to bring them to light. You CERTAINLY would mention the Civil Rights movement, just like you would certainly mention women's suffrage. You would also mention those movements' most important historical figures. But for the same reason that we don't highlight EVERY FVCKING WOMAN that was the first to do something, we don't ahve to mention EVERY FVCKING BLACK PERSON that was the first to do something. If you or I wanted to learn about this on our own, that's fine. Go get a book on it. But I could mention a dozen others just off the top of my head that deserve recognition before that woman.

The point is, if our schools' history books are omitting someone important, then SCREAM ABOUT IT! MARCH ABOUT IT! PROTEST ABOUT IT! But you're not going to convince me that blacks were so important to history that they deserve a month dedicated to themselves.

Now you'll say, "Why do I care? Why don't I just let it go?" Because every black child that asks his teacher why will get an answer like this: "Because blacks are special, and we need to be recognized." Or worse yet, this: "Because our schools don't teach enough about blacks." What good explanation can you give that doesn't either convince your children that schools don't care about blacks (which only causes them to be more apathetic about the education system than they already are), or makes them believe blacks are somehow better than every other race? If you don't think there are negative aspects to this month existing, then you're just kidding yourself.

Maybe we should mandate a % per race or something because in its current form the "American History" is being told in a flowery half-truthed manner.

Great. More government mandates. (See above for what I think should be done about this.)

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: Darkstar757
Bleh

You know seeming as Black people are still comming out of effects of hundreds of years of slavery. I think we can have a dam history month.


Damm Asshats

:disgust:

You realize "black" history month is racist by definition. Celebrating it further deepens racism on both sides. Hence the ignorant "where's <insert culture> month?" claims.

Black people are using the same thing they complain about (racism) as a tool to further their culture.

BET is another example, again where the "where is <insert culture>ET?" comments come from. If networks like CBS, NBC, <choose network> are viewed as "white" channels, and that's bad, why would you create a "black" channel? Two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[CoolTech]

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Originally posted by: CoolTech
Like they would include it in their lesson plans if they didnt have to? This coming from educators really shed some light into how little some people want to embrace or accept the fact that minorities and African Americans in specific made significant contributions to the country (e.g. stories like HBO's Something the Lord Made).

I'll ask you the same thing I've asked others on this board that don't respond: exactly who are our educational systems overlooking? Please name these egregious oversights. I saw a commercial last night about black history month. It was about the first black woman to run in the Olympics. WTF?! How is that necessary for ANYONE to know? I'm sorry, but that just isn't important enough to warrant special attention. I'm not saying that it's not important for blacks to know that, but I don't want my kids in school losing time they could spend on more important figures than that.

Let me put it to you this way: I think that history should be covered, slowly, from earliest known history to the present. Along the way, you stop at the most important turns in history to bring them to light. You CERTAINLY would mention the Civil Rights movement, just like you would certainly mention women's suffrage. You would also mention those movements' most important historical figures. But for the same reason that we don't highlight EVERY FVCKING WOMAN that was the first to do something, we don't ahve to mention EVERY FVCKING BLACK PERSON that was the first to do something. If you or I wanted to learn about this on our own, that's fine. Go get a book on it. But I could mention a dozen others just off the top of my head that deserve recognition before that woman.

The point is, if our schools' history books are omitting someone important, then SCREAM ABOUT IT! MARCH ABOUT IT! PROTEST ABOUT IT! But you're not going to convince me that blacks were so important to history that they deserve a month dedicated to themselves.

Now you'll say, "Why do I care? Why don't I just let it go?" Because every black child that asks his teacher why will get an answer like this: "Because blacks are special, and we need to be recognized." Or worse yet, this: "Because our schools don't teach enough about blacks." What good explanation can you give that doesn't either convince your children that schools don't care about blacks (which only causes them to be more apathetic about the education system than they already are), or makes them believe blacks are somehow better than every other race? If you don't think there are negative aspects to this month existing, then you're just kidding yourself.

Maybe we should mandate a % per race or something because in its current form the "American History" is being told in a flowery half-truthed manner.

Great. More government mandates. (See above for what I think should be done about this.)

I totally agree with you as far as the olympic commercial, but what does a commercial have to do with education? They probably do this because they have some random slate of commercials they loop with different "black firsts." By no means was running in the Olympics some sort of great thing, but was Jackie Robinson not a trailblazer with his admission to major league baseball? From not being able to participate in these sports leagues to being accepted was a big deal but definitely not the end all be all.

As far as the education system goes, before it was "mandated" that these people were included in our grade school and high school texts, why would white publishers and educators even bother to give an objective perspective on history. Do mainstream History books show the cold hard truth about what Colombus did the Taino indians or a lot of the atrocities committed toward a multitude of minorities of this country? Do we really have a diverse group of perspectives as far as the race of the textbook contributors or even publishers. If we dont have the real "equity" as one of the previous posters mentioned, then what's the point coming as far as we've come already. We must keep fighting until the field is more level than it is. History was/is written usually from one perspective, usually by the descendants of those that were in power and continues the archetypes and stereotypes propagated for years.

Egregious oversights? There are a number of minorities that made huge contributions to history who were in effect "written out" of history. I just read this article about some black jockey that was very successful but they wrote him out of history and he's finally getting his due. And as I mentioned before, from Something the Lord Made, Vivien Thomas who did pioneering research on heart surgery. This(heart surgery, not necessarily jockey) is important, history book worthy stuff. This crap happened all the time, and to right the wrongs to some extent I think "Black History Month" is in order. I fervently believe in a month for Native Americans as well, but this would be hard for the public to swallow. Celebrating Sitting Bull or Geronimo would definitiely be controversial, although there was Squanto and Sacajawea which would be more palatible. In my opinion there does not need to be a disproportionate amount of time spent in the history books on Blacks who did every little thing. Only the addition of a more varied perspective as far as authors, publishers, professors and important content, worthy of history. No longer a less objective and flowery perspective that we have all come to know. There needs to be a major overhaul of what our children should be taught about these American Icons. "Hey, these presidents owned slaves" "Hey, the government stood by for a long time while Blacks in the North and South were hanged by the KKK" "Hey, Colombus gave Indians 'gold quotas' and if they didnt meet the quotas he cut off their hands on many occasions" "All kinds of crap that will make these American icons more human and less iconic. Anyone see the movie "Ray." I really like the fact that this movie shows both sides of him, his musical genius and the negative aspects of his life (i.e. drug use and womanizing). This is the same thing which needs to be done with history books in an equitable manner to all groups involved in making this country what it is today.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Originally posted by: classy
See its bs posts like this that just get under my skin. Who the fvck are you to suggest blacks use their color as crutch? What because you heard one black say something about race, now its all blacks? Look here if no good pos white people weren't fvcking racist and shut all the doors to oppurtunity, there would been no need for affirmative action or even civil rights or even black history month or black colleges or even BET. And by the way look in the mirror when you want pass judgement on blacks, because its people like you who are the culprits.

Oh great... a racist calling someone a racist. Congratulations, you're a hyporcite.

We are the only damn race in this country forced to live here, pissed on, women raped, men castrated, many blacks were used for human experiments because we were considered less than human, we were hung, murdered, set on fire, had dogs tearing at our flesh, knocked down with water hoses, had to eat and sleep seperate, fvcking signs hung up that said blacks had tails, had to get laws passed so we could vote, and etc.

Right... Asian-Americans have had it so easy.

Yea I know I am racist :roll:. And oh please Asian-Americans haven't withstood .5% of the racism that blacks have. Jews have gotten some pretty bad treatment in this country, but not to the degree of blacks. No race has. As a matter of fact if it weren't for the struggle of blacks to fight for equal rights many other minoritys would not even be in this country in large numbers.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: CoolTech
I totally agree with you as far as the olympic commercial, but what does a commercial have to do with education? They probably do this because they have some random slate of commercials they loop with different "black firsts." By no means was running in the Olympics some sort of great thing, but was Jackie Robinson not a trailblazer with his admission to major league baseball? From not being able to participate in these sports leagues to being accepted was a big deal but definitely not the end all be all.

Jackie Robinson ONLY deserves recognition because it was such an "American" sport, and for him to break that barrier was a pretty big deal. Outside of that, I think that kids should be told that in general, in all aspects of life, as blacks were allowed to participate, many still resented them and did horrible things to them that persisted for years. Then you bring out instances like him and you're done. Other than maybe 2 or 3, going through the first black EVERYTHING is ridiculous.

As far as the education system goes, before it was "mandated" that these people were included in our grade school and high school texts, why would white publishers and educators even bother to give an objective perspective on history.

This doesn't have any bearing on our conversation here. The fact is, there isn't widespread racism in our publishing community, so this is no longer a problem. Nobody is arguing that there didn't need to be mandates on things like this years ago.

Do mainstream History books show the cold hard truth about what Colombus did to the Taino indians or a lot of the atrocities committed toward a multitude of minorities of this country? Do we really have a diverse group of perspectives as far as the race of the textbook contributors or even publishers. If we dont have the real "equity" as one of the previous posters mentioned, then what's the point coming as far as we've come already. We must keep fighting until the field is more level than it is. History was/is written usually from one perspective, usually by the descendants of those that were in power and continues the archetypes and stereotypes propagated for years.

I agree with some of what you say here (especially the first sentence), but marching or protesting and bringing a bunch of specific examples to light is what CHANGES these things. This month is ONLY negative in my opinion. The achievement of blacks in history need to be given in proper context. Don't tell me about George Washington Carver every fvcking February and then skip over him when we're talking about agriculture in teh South in the post-Civil War era.

Egregious oversights? There are a number of minorities that made huge contributions to history who were in effect "written out" of history. I just read this article about some black jockey that was very successful but they wrote him out of history and he's finally getting his due.

A successfull jockey? Come on. I don't want my kid to learn the name of a single jockey in history class as that's clearly time wasted that should be spent on other subjects.

And as I mentioned before, from Something the Lord Made, Vivien Thomas who did pioneering research on heart surgery. This (heart surgery, not necessarily jockey) is important, history book worthy stuff.

Really? Who invented the EEG? How about the CAT scan? MRI? Who identified cholesterol as a major factor in heart disease? Who first discovered cancer? Who discovered X-rays? Name one of them. I couldn't. Heck, I don't even know who discovered AIDS/HIV, and it's the greatest epidemic of the last century! Are you telling me that this guy is more influential than these people?

This crap happened all the time, and to right the wrongs to some extent I think "Black History Month" is in order.

Again, I know it's not easy to just pull people off the top of your head, but I honestly haven't ever heard of a black person whose contributions to history I wasn't made aware of in grade school (and mind you, I went to a small grade school with NO black students). I would just like to know that a problem EXISTS if we're going to have a month to "fix" it.

I fervently believe in a month for Native Americans as well, but this would be hard for the public to swallow. Celebrating Sitting Bull or Geronimo would definitiely be controversial, although there was Squanto and Sacajawea which would be more palatible.

Agreed.

In my opinion there does not need to be a disproportionate amount of time spent in the history books on Blacks who did every little thing. Only the addition of a more varied perspective as far as authors, publishers, professors and important content, worthy of history.

So we should put mandates that x% of the authors of every school's history books need to be written by blacks? Diversity of viewpoints will come in time, but honestly, I don't believe this is a major issue.

No longer a less objective and flowery perspective that we have all come to know. There needs to be a major overhaul of what our children should be taught about these American Icons. "Hey, these presidents owned slaves" "Hey, the government stood by for a long time while Blacks in the North and South were hanged by the KKK"

Ummm... you weren't taught this? What? Where did you go to school? Heck, in GRADE SCHOOL we watched a movie about black kids that were killed by cops in the South. "To Kill a Mockingbird."

"Hey, Colombus gave Indians 'gold quotas' and if they didnt meet the quotas he cut off their hands on many occasions" "All kinds of crap that will make these American icons more human and less iconic.

I definitely agree with Columbus. I'm amazed that this stuff was skipped over. This one oversight is universal, and should be changed.

Anyone see the movie "Ray." I really like the fact that this movie shows both sides of him, his musical genius and the negative aspects of his life (i.e. drug use and womanizing). This is the same thing which needs to be done with history books in an equitable manner to all groups involved in making this country what it is today.

I agree with this point as well.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: classy
Yea I know I am racist :roll:. And oh please Asian-Americans haven't withstood .5% of the racism that blacks have. Jews have gotten some pretty bad treatment in this country, but not to the degree of blacks. No race has. As a matter of fact if it weren't for the struggle of blacks to fight for equal rights many other minoritys would not even be in this country in large numbers.

Yep. You're right. Asians had it easy. No bad treatment there at all.

On a completely unrelated note, I now firmly believe we need an Asian-American history month.

But back to your original point, ok, so blacks were treated bad. Fine. Does Germany have a Jewish history month? Do they need one? Explain to me why the fact that your ancestors were beaten and tortured entitles you to a history month. Please. Because I don't understand how we connect one to the other. I'm not proud of it, and I would like to go back and change history. But the fact is, we can't. All we can do it learn from the past and build a better future. All this "history month" does is divide us further, and if you need my explanation for why, read my points above (that you failed to reply to) where I talk about explaining to a child why there is a black history month.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I'm not really fervently pro- or anti-Black History Month, but on balance I can't see that taking one month a year to recognize the accomplishments and contributions of African-Americans is in any way burdensome to any other ethnicity.

FWIW, I think the relationship of black Americans to our larger culture is unique, in that they were almost entirely brought here under lock and chain, to serve as slave laborers in what was clearly a horrific and unfair arrangement. The only other ethnicity that suffered from a similarly comprehensive exploitation is native Americans, who were mostly killed wholesale, then relegated to self-enclosed reservations, mostly on undesirable plots of land.

Today, blacks are still clearly, IMO, the ethnicity that suffers from the most racism in the United States. I don't deny that other ethnicities are discriminated against in other ways, but they just aren't feared and hated to the same degree as black people, by the ignorant jackasses who constitute a sadly meaningful percentage of our population.

For these reasons, it seems to me it's disingenuous to say that every other ethnicity deserves to be treated and acknowledged identically to blacks (since they simply are not similarly situated).

None of that means, per se, that Black History Month is a must, or even desirable. I'm agnostic on that point, and I leave it to black people to decide whether it's worthwhile. What makes me sad, though, is that Black History Month seems, ironically, to create an open season for people to gripe, and it's undeniably the case that some of these people are mostly or entirely bothered by BHM because they themselves are racists.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Originally posted by: classy
Yea I know I am racist :roll:. And oh please Asian-Americans haven't withstood .5% of the racism that blacks have. Jews have gotten some pretty bad treatment in this country, but not to the degree of blacks. No race has. As a matter of fact if it weren't for the struggle of blacks to fight for equal rights many other minoritys would not even be in this country in large numbers.

Yep. You're right. Asians had it easy. No bad treatment there at all.

On a completely unrelated note, I now firmly believe we need an Asian-American history month.

But back to your original point, ok, so blacks were treated bad. Fine. Does Germany have a Jewish history month? Do they need one? Explain to me why the fact that your ancestors were beaten and tortured entitles you to a history month. Please. Because I don't understand how we connect one to the other. I'm not proud of it, and I would like to go back and change history. But the fact is, we can't. All we can do it learn from the past and build a better future. All this "history month" does is divide us further, and if you need my explanation for why, read my points above (that you failed to reply to) where I talk about explaining to a child why there is a black history month.

Why are you so divided?

Just to name a handful

A blackman invented the automatic traffic light
A blackman changed the trucking industry, because he invented refrigeration for long haul trucks.
A blackman changed medicine when he invented storage for blood plasma (blood bank)
A blackman developed to first prototype for the gas mask
The first home video surveillance system was patented to a black person.
The incandescent light bulb was developed by a blackman.

This is just a handful. So why would you be so divided on sharing the many life changing contributions of blacks? But I bet your candy @ss would be willing to post and point out all the social ills of blacks though. Your divided because in your heart you know your a sorrowful, pathetic, prejudice individual. Because if you weren't it wouldn't bother you concerning black history month. What are you going to do when America is completely gray?

 

[JDub02]

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
You realize "black" history month is racist by definition. Celebrating it further deepens racism on both sides. Hence the ignorant "where's <insert culture> month?" claims.

Black people are using the same thing they complain about (racism) as a tool to further their culture.

BET is another example, again where the "where is <insert culture>ET?" comments come from. If networks like CBS, NBC, <choose network> are viewed as "white" channels, and that's bad, why would you create a "black" channel? Two wrongs don't make a right.

Exactly. The whole notion of "black" or "african-american" ... or just <"minority">-american .. is very racist because it insinuates the notion that people are different. That completely goes against the original civil rights movement, in which "all men are created equal".

True equality will never come until we are all just "americans" and there are no groups like "african-americans".

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: JDub02

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
You realize "black" history month is racist by definition. Celebrating it further deepens racism on both sides. Hence the ignorant "where's <insert culture> month?" claims.

Black people are using the same thing they complain about (racism) as a tool to further their culture.

BET is another example, again where the "where is <insert culture>ET?" comments come from. If networks like CBS, NBC, <choose network> are viewed as "white" channels, and that's bad, why would you create a "black" channel? Two wrongs don't make a right.

Exactly. The whole notion of "black" or "african-american" ... or just <"minority">-american .. is very racist because it insinuates the notion that people are different. That completely goes against the original civil rights movement, in which "all men are created equal".

True equality will never come until we are all just "americans" and there are no groups like "african-americans".

Oh boy, lol. Don't worry in about 20 years or so it will be all over.

 

[zixxer]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: agnitrate

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: Modeps
Why do we need one specific month devoted to Black History? Shouldnt it be taught to students year round intertwined with European History et al?

Exactly. Black history is just as important as European and American history.

Except that there's practically nothing to teach.

If by Black History you're referring to African history, then it's pointless to teach that to kids at an age younger than specific high school or college courses. Countries they're not familiar with and laws/languages/cultures they are unable to comprehend along with names they aren't able to pronounce? That doesn't work well for children. Wait until they're old enough and deicde they want to learn more about world history so they can actually appreciate what they're being taught instead of being force fed crap they don't need to know because some people feel that children should be taught irrelevant material.

If by Black history you mean Blacks throughout American history, then it's already being taught. Sad to say but, there weren't too many famous black people before 1800 because society wouldn't put them in such positions. Once you get into the slavery controversy, etc, etc, civil rights, then things start to equal out in terms of racial significance in history. Most students don't learn about that material until later in their educational careers either.

This whole ____ History month thing is crap. We've been teaching kids the same fundamentals for years now until they reach a certain age and make decisions themselves. We shouldn't cater our educational system to the bleeding hearts of America. Teach people what's relevant and what they need to know. Once they get to a point where they can make their own decisions, have at it.

The entire educational system and what's being done/taught there needs to be entirely revamped.

-silver

Agnitrate for Elite!

 

[amoeba]

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: JDub02

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
You realize "black" history month is racist by definition. Celebrating it further deepens racism on both sides. Hence the ignorant "where's <insert culture> month?" claims.

Black people are using the same thing they complain about (racism) as a tool to further their culture.

BET is another example, again where the "where is <insert culture>ET?" comments come from. If networks like CBS, NBC, <choose network> are viewed as "white" channels, and that's bad, why would you create a "black" channel? Two wrongs don't make a right.

Exactly. The whole notion of "black" or "african-american" ... or just <"minority">-american .. is very racist because it insinuates the notion that people are different. That completely goes against the original civil rights movement, in which "all men are created equal".

True equality will never come until we are all just "americans" and there are no groups like "african-americans".

Oh boy, lol. Don't worry in about 20 years or so it will be all over.

what do you mean? what will be over?

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: classy
Why are you so divided?

Just to name a handful

A blackman invented the automatic traffic light
A blackman changed the trucking industry, because he invented refrigeration for long haul trucks.
A blackman changed medicine when he invented storage for blood plasma (blood bank)
A blackman developed to first prototype for the gas mask
The first home video surveillance system was patented to a black person.
The incandescent light bulb was developed by a blackman.

This is just a handful. So why would you be so divided on sharing the many life changing contributions of blacks? But I bet your candy @ss would be willing to post and point out all the social ills of blacks though. Your divided because in your heart you know your a sorrowful, pathetic, prejudice individual. Because if you weren't it wouldn't bother you concerning black history month. What are you going to do when America is completely gray?

Wow. That's stunning. You think that these people are important enough in the grand scheme of things to be mentioned. The ONLY way you can possibly jusitfy the need to teach children about these people is because they're black. I mean, are you kidding me? The guy who invented the refrigeration for long-haul trucks? Sure, it's an important invention, but where, exactly, do you put that in a history book? What major changes did it bring about in the world's socio-political climate? How is it more important than MILLION OF OTHER PEOPLE WE OVERLOOK IN HISTORY CLASSES?! We do not have the time to go over every person that invented everything we use today, no matter how useful. We have to focus on those who made the MOST impact. The guy who invented the automatic stoplight? Give me a fvcking break! This guy does NOT need to be mentioned in history class, nor do any of the people you mentioned. And if you're too blind to realize that these people aren't important enough to be mentioned in history class, then you should take a good, hard look at yourself.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: classy
Why are you so divided?

Just to name a handful

A blackman invented the automatic traffic light
A blackman changed the trucking industry, because he invented refrigeration for long haul trucks.
A blackman changed medicine when he invented storage for blood plasma (blood bank)
A blackman developed to first prototype for the gas mask
The first home video surveillance system was patented to a black person.
The incandescent light bulb was developed by a blackman.

This is just a handful. So why would you be so divided on sharing the many life changing contributions of blacks? But I bet your candy @ss would be willing to post and point out all the social ills of blacks though. Your divided because in your heart you know your a sorrowful, pathetic, prejudice individual. Because if you weren't it wouldn't bother you concerning black history month. What are you going to do when America is completely gray?

How many of those would actually even merit mentioning in a history class (other than some sort of sidebar) if they'd been done by white men?
The incandescent light bulb was not developed SOLELY by a black man, it was a group effort over decades, and to uplift his contribution to the process ignores the others involved. I wonder if there's any other conveniently left out facts in your list.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: agnitrate
If by Black History you're referring to African history, then it's pointless to teach that to kids at an age younger than specific high school or college courses. Countries they're not familiar with and laws/languages/cultures they are unable to comprehend along with names they aren't able to pronounce? That doesn't work well for children. Wait until they're old enough and decide they want to learn more about world history so they can actually appreciate what they're being taught instead of being force fed crap they don't need to know because some people feel that children should be taught irrelevant material.

Oh my. That's just sad. I agree with much of the rest of what you said, but this is terrible. We coddle our youth FAR too much the way it is. The fact is, young people learn FAR faster than older people because their minds are more inquisitive and more willing to learn. The fast is, we should start teaching them more about the world and its varying cultures earlier than we do. I'm not saying we should be teaching the Boer Wars to first graders, but by 4th and 5th grade, you'd be surprised by what children can understand.

Our entire culture is far too inward-focused. I'm amazed at how little attention was given to the elections in the Ukraine this year. One day, this will be looked at as a HUGE stepping stone in Eastern European history, and it barely even made the news. We need to be teaching children the importance of cultures around the world MUCH MUCH earlier so we stop breeding the ignorance and nonchalance of our current adult population that could care less about what happens around the world. Do you even know where East Timor is? Do you know what's been going on there for the last few years, especially about 3 years ago when things were REALLY going crazy? Do you have any idea why they requested that UN peace-keeping troops sent to East Timor should consist of mostly Australian troops? Did you know ANYTHING about the history of Afghanistan AT ALL before 9/11? How can we not mention the history of ENTIRE countries in history classes?

This is exactly why we need to do away with Black history month and start teaching more about EVERYONE outside of America. Personally, I have no desire to read or learn anything else about American history. I learned 500x more about America in school when I was growing up than any other nation in the world. I'm not saying I shouldn't know more about my own country than others, but not to such a degree.

 

I'd love to continue in this thread, but it's full of flame throwing morons.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: SampSon
I'd love to continue in this thread, but it's full of flame throwing morons.

Pot... kettle.

 

[AStar617]

I agree 100% with Ilmater. Well put.

I also agree 110% with SampSon. Hey, I gave it a shot too.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: amoeba

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: JDub02

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
You realize "black" history month is racist by definition. Celebrating it further deepens racism on both sides. Hence the ignorant "where's <insert culture> month?" claims.

Black people are using the same thing they complain about (racism) as a tool to further their culture.

BET is another example, again where the "where is <insert culture>ET?" comments come from. If networks like CBS, NBC, <choose network> are viewed as "white" channels, and that's bad, why would you create a "black" channel? Two wrongs don't make a right.

Exactly. The whole notion of "black" or "african-american" ... or just <"minority">-american .. is very racist because it insinuates the notion that people are different. That completely goes against the original civil rights movement, in which "all men are created equal".

True equality will never come until we are all just "americans" and there are no groups like "african-americans".

Oh boy, lol. Don't worry in about 20 years or so it will be all over.

what do you mean? what will be over?

I just laugh at the foolish white men on this board. Whites are having less babies than people who are immigrating to this country. White women have become 2nd pickings to Asian women. White women are marrying interracial at a higher clip than any other race. Hispanics are growing at a rate twice of that of whites. Blacks just under 2 times. Immigration continues to increase, thats not including all the illegal immigration. In the next 10 years every single major city in America will be predominately minority. In the next 2 decades whites can quite possiblly make up less than 50% of the nations population. Thats not including the mass interracial marriages among the white population. Soon folks like the clowns on this board will have no choice but to be held up in a hole somewhere.
Welcome to America

 

[AStar617]

...How are you helping this thread at this point, classy?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: classy

I just laugh at the foolish white men on this board. Whites are having less babies than people who are immigrating to this country. White women have become 2nd pickings to Asian women. White women are marrying interracial at a higher clip than any other race. Hispanics are growing at a rate twice of that of whites. Blacks just under 2 times. Immigration continues to increase, thats not including all the illegal immigration. In the next 10 years every single major city in America will be predominately minority. In the next 2 decades whites can quite possiblly make up less than 50% of the nations population. Thats not including the mass interracial marriages among the white population. Soon folks like the clowns on this board will have no choice but to be held up in a hole somewhere.
Welcome to America

Jesus - white men are "foolish," yet you're the one saying "white women have become 2nd pickings to Asian women"? Bigotry, anyone?

<-------- White man, presently dating an Asian, thinks classy is a racist moron

 

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Originally posted by: SampSon
I'd love to continue in this thread, but it's full of flame throwing morons.

Pot... kettle.

My balls are lickable, how about you partake in the licking of them.

 

[gscone]

Now, now children...Can we all have a civil conversation here??

 

[amoeba]

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: amoeba

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: JDub02

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
You realize "black" history month is racist by definition. Celebrating it further deepens racism on both sides. Hence the ignorant "where's <insert culture> month?" claims.

Black people are using the same thing they complain about (racism) as a tool to further their culture.

BET is another example, again where the "where is <insert culture>ET?" comments come from. If networks like CBS, NBC, <choose network> are viewed as "white" channels, and that's bad, why would you create a "black" channel? Two wrongs don't make a right.

Exactly. The whole notion of "black" or "african-american" ... or just <"minority">-american .. is very racist because it insinuates the notion that people are different. That completely goes against the original civil rights movement, in which "all men are created equal".

True equality will never come until we are all just "americans" and there are no groups like "african-americans".

Oh boy, lol. Don't worry in about 20 years or so it will be all over.

what do you mean? what will be over?

I just laugh at the foolish white men on this board. Whites are having less babies than people who are immigrating to this country. White women have become 2nd pickings to Asian women. White women are marrying interracial at a higher clip than any other race. Hispanics are growing at a rate twice of that of whites. Blacks just under 2 times. Immigration continues to increase, thats not including all the illegal immigration. In the next 10 years every single major city in America will be predominately minority. In the next 2 decades whites can quite possiblly make up less than 50% of the nations population. Thats not including the mass interracial marriages among the white population. Soon folks like the clowns on this board will have no choice but to be held up in a hole somewhere.
Welcome to America

Classy, why are you trying to separate the races so much? you make it so much an us vs them thing. Like oh, minorities will take over this country and you whities will have nowhere to go.

Isn't that a racist attitude by itself?

Also, how do you know that the minorities get along amongst themselves?

I think its very naive to think that the Minorities are all peaceloving pragmatic people while the racist white overlords keep us down.