I didn't register for selective service, anyone else?

[Born2bwire]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: ironwing
Of course, had the buttheads (Carter and Congress) bothered to read the Constitution they would have recognized that the draft is illegal and found some lawful way to express their displeasure with the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan rather than mandating draft registration. On the other hand, the tactic seems to have worked. After nine years, the Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan, largely in response to the relentless psychological beating imposed by the draft registration requirement in the U.S.

Article. XIII.
[Proposed 1865; Ratified 1865]
Section. 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section. 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Eh... it'd take some fancy pants lawyers and some easily swayed Supreme Court Judges to convince them that the Draft is illegal under those pretenses.

What I hate is, just like what is done with the First Amendment, is people seeing things that aren't there in something written before our time. I won't get into the First Amendment argument, that's wholly P&N and I don't care to get into that even there, for they are rabid and armchair lawyers...

But come on. The entirety of Amendment 13 is discussing slavery. Involuntary servitude is a means to describe someone being forced into doing labor, aka slavery without all of the slavery connotations, such as whips and whatnot.

You think, during the times when the Draft was used for the first time, or later, that it hadn't passed down to all the people in Washington? The Supreme Court had to have reviewed it, and Amendment 13 had been around for a few years so it was readily known. And while I don't know if it was the case, but I wouldn't doubt if someone tried to argue that it was a form of slavery/involuntary servitude, and took it to the Supreme Court. And it sounds like it must have been readily rejected since it hasn't been made illegal, not then, nor now. Just hasn't been used for reasons discussed earlier.

And besides, if Congress and the President write it into law, and the Supreme Court doesn't object, then it is in fact not illegal, until the Supreme Court deems otherwise.

I fail to see how the Draft can be seen as slavery or involuntary servitude.

The Court has ruled on it, in Butler v. Perry. They deemed that service in jury duty and military and the like was not negated by the 13th amendment.

"Utilizing the language of the ordinance of 1787, the 13th Amendment declares that neither slavery nor involuntary servitude shall exist. This Amendment was adopted with reference to conditions existing since the foundation of our government, and the term 'involuntary servitude' was intended to cover those forms of compulsory labor akin to African slavery which, in practical operation, would tend to produce like undesirable results. [240 U.S. 328, 333] It introduced no novel doctrine with respect of services always treated as exceptional, and certainly was not intended to interdict enforcement of those duties which individuals owe to the state, such as services in the army, militia, on the jury, etc."
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/...t=us&vol=240&invol=328

So as far as the US government is concerned, it is decidedely constitutional to have a draft. I remember a quote in my university newspaper years back where they had asked students about their opinion of having a draft. One student said, "Even though the Constitution allows it, I think that the draft is unconstitutional." This wonderful paradox seems to be an apt description of certain people's beliefs when it comes to the draft.

 

[looker001]

Originally posted by: roid450
OP is a dumb ass the definition of Lazy

and the US hasn't been drafting since Vietnam

So why do we still have draft board?

 

[SneakyStuff]

Just register (because it's the law...) and if there is a draft crush your trigger finger with a hammer or something if you're so worried about serving. :roll:

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: roid450
OP is a dumb ass the definition of Lazy

and the US hasn't been drafting since Vietnam

So why do we still have draft board?

The draft would do you some good.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: roid450
OP is a dumb ass the definition of Lazy

and the US hasn't been drafting since Vietnam

So why do we still have draft board?

To make sure that people like you don't get FAFSA or Federal jobs when they refuse to register.

 

[Mide]

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: sonambulo
The...30 seconds it takes to fill out the card?

Yes, but i didn't want to take a chances off being drafted

You gotta be kidding me. Get the fuck out of this country you pussy.

 

[Mo0o]

Theres no point in yelling at the OP. If you look at some of his posts from other threads, you realize he's the biggest douchebag ever.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: roid450
OP is a dumb ass the definition of Lazy

and the US hasn't been drafting since Vietnam

So why do we still have draft board?

In the event we have a war with some large nation like Russia or China so we can easily reinstate the Draft and see who the pussies and the real men are when they get their draft cards.

And to prevent the lazy and the pussies from getting anything Federal related in the event they don't register for Selective Service.

 

[looker001]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: roid450
OP is a dumb ass the definition of Lazy

and the US hasn't been drafting since Vietnam

So why do we still have draft board?

In the event we have a war with some large nation like Russia or China so we can easily reinstate the Draft and see who the pussies and the real men are when they get their draft cards.

And to prevent the lazy and the pussies from getting anything Federal related in the event they don't register for Selective Service.

If we are to go to war with Russia or China, would it not be WWIII aka Nuclear war?

 

[Born2bwire]

Originally posted by: Mo0o
Theres no point in yelling at the OP. If you look at some of his posts from other threads, you realize he's the biggest douchebag ever.

He's definitely scroll-worthy. He ignores all jury notices, he doesn't give a damn about how any future offspring behave at a restaurant as long as he is enjoying himself, his responses to vaccination are about as douchebaggy as you can get... The list just goes on and on.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: QurazyQuisp
Why wouldn't you? Isn't it the law?

Because it's fucking stupid.

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

Originally posted by: Mo0o
Theres no point in yelling at the OP. If you look at some of his posts from other threads, you realize he's the biggest douchebag ever.

He's definitely scroll-worthy. He ignores all jury notices, he doesn't give a damn about how any future offspring behave at a restaurant as long as he is enjoying himself, his responses to vaccination are about as douchebaggy as you can get... The list just goes on and on.

Oh crap you're right, I forgot he was one of the anti-vaccine morons.

 

[roid450]

that ^^^

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: thecrecarc
I think its confirmed, the OP is an idiot.

The idiocy was confirmed long before this thread. Just take a look at the vaccines/autism thread a few weeks ago.

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

Originally posted by: Mo0o
Theres no point in yelling at the OP. If you look at some of his posts from other threads, you realize he's the biggest douchebag ever.

He's definitely scroll-worthy. He ignores all jury notices, he doesn't give a damn about how any future offspring behave at a restaurant as long as he is enjoying himself, his responses to vaccination are about as douchebaggy as you can get... The list just goes on and on.

Oh crap you're right, I forgot he was one of the anti-vaccine morons.

Damn I guess I missed some good threads.

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: looker001

If we are to go to war with Russia or China, would it not be WWII aka Nuclear war?

WWII??

I think we already had that one ;^)

 

[BlancoNino]

I don't recall registering at the post office. I think I did on my fafsa right after I graduated. Is that possible? I did receive a pell grant for that one year...

 

[Gamingphreek]

I don't remember ever having to send anything. Once I turned 18 back in the day I just received a letter in the mail with a perforated card that said I had been registered. Then it said, if the information on that card was wrong to correct it on the back on the appropriate spot and send it back.

-Kevin

 

[Paladin3]

I registered when I was 18 because I enjoy all the rights and privileges of living in this country and felt it was my duty to defend her if called to do so. We can go round and round about good wars vs. bad wars, but if you accept the benefits of living here you should accept the responsibilities as well. Otherwise you are just a fucking leech like the OP.

 

[Squisher]

I didn't register.







NOTE: Men born from March 29, 1957, through December 31, 1959, were not required to register with Selective Service because the registration program was suspended when they would have reached age 18. The requirement to register with Selective Service was reinstated in 1980, but only for men born January 1, 1960, or later.

Men born between these dates will not have a Selective Service number; however these men are still eligible for all the benefits and programs linked to the registration requirement.


4-2-57

 

[Cabages]

How old is too old to register?

Never heard of this, and obviously haven't registered.

 

[Born2bwire]

Originally posted by: Cabages
How old is too old to register?

Never heard of this, and obviously haven't registered.

26

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

Originally posted by: Mo0o
Theres no point in yelling at the OP. If you look at some of his posts from other threads, you realize he's the biggest douchebag ever.

He's definitely scroll-worthy. He ignores all jury notices, he doesn't give a damn about how any future offspring behave at a restaurant as long as he is enjoying himself, his responses to vaccination are about as douchebaggy as you can get... The list just goes on and on.

Oh crap you're right, I forgot he was one of the anti-vaccine morons.

Damn I guess I missed some good threads.

Also, you forgot the one where he believed it was alright to keep the tv that another person didn't order and that it was fine to cheat in finance.

 

[Born2bwire]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

Originally posted by: Mo0o
Theres no point in yelling at the OP. If you look at some of his posts from other threads, you realize he's the biggest douchebag ever.

He's definitely scroll-worthy. He ignores all jury notices, he doesn't give a damn about how any future offspring behave at a restaurant as long as he is enjoying himself, his responses to vaccination are about as douchebaggy as you can get... The list just goes on and on.

Oh crap you're right, I forgot he was one of the anti-vaccine morons.

Damn I guess I missed some good threads.

Also, you forgot the one where he believed it was alright to keep the tv that another person didn't order and that it was fine to cheat in finance.

Ahahahahah. Man, that was him. Jesus. We seriously need to start making a scroll for him.

 

[olds]

Rookies. I didn't register for the Selective Service and I can still work for the Federal Government.