I declare Barack Hussein Obama unelectable

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: eskimospy
The flyover already always votes Republican. Nobody cares about them.

Keep telling yourself that. Hardcore liberals and republicans will vote for their party's candidate no matter what, it's the swing voters that you need to win over. I don't see Obama winning many when (God forbid he gets nominated) he gets swiftboated.

First of all Obama will be nominated. It's nearly a certainty.

Secondly, the states in the middle of America have voted almost uniformly Republican in every presidential election for the last 30 years. (with the one exception being 1996 where a couple... not many... but a couple voted for an incumbent president during a roaring economy. Be still my heart.)

This thread is just another 9 month away prediction based upon your analysis of a singular event that will be mostly forgotten in November. Predictions of results in November are a waste of time... this one is as large a waste of time as the 10 prediction threads that have come before it.

if we're writing off the middle of america, should we elect HRC as the democratic nominee? she won the NE, CA, OH, PA, and FL.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: RKDaley
They said McCain was unelectable too:

HH: Why can?t John McCain win this election?

RS: Well, number one, John McCain will not get the base of the Republican Party. I mean, there was a reason John McCain collapsed last year, and it?s because he was the frontrunner, and everybody in the Republican Party got a chance to look at him. And when they looked at him, they wait well, wait a minute, he?s not with us on almost all of the core issues of?on the economic side, he was against the President?s tax cuts, he was bad on immigration. On the environment, he?s absolutely terrible. He buys into the complete left wing environmentalist movement in this country. He is for bigger government on a whole laundry list of issues. He was?I mean, on medical care, I mean, he was for re-importation of drugs. I mean, you can go on down the list. I mean, this is a guy who on a lot of the core economic issues, is not even close to being a moderate, in my opinion. And then on the issue of, on social conservative issues, you point to me one time John McCain every took the floor of the United States Senate to talk about a social conservative issue. It never happened. I mean, this is a guy who says he believes in these things, but I can tell you, inside the room, when we were in these meetings, there was nobody who fought harder not to have these votes before the United States Senate on some of the most important social conservative issues, whether it?s marriage or abortion or the like. He always fought against us to even bring them up, because he was uncomfortable voting for them. So I mean, this is just not a guy I think in the end that washes with the mainstream of the Republican Party.

http://hughhewitt.townhall.com...4a57-98bd-68635a744540

Nothing swiftboating won't solve. The Republican Base would be scared of someone whose Moral Compass is racist against white people.

I really hope Obama will lose the nomination/drop out. If he doesn't, wait for the swiftboating, it'd be awesome.

He's gonna get Wrighted. LOL his name is Wright (i.e. Right). Hah the effin beauty of it.

 

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: RKDaley
They said McCain was unelectable too:

HH: Why can?t John McCain win this election?

RS: Well, number one, John McCain will not get the base of the Republican Party. I mean, there was a reason John McCain collapsed last year, and it?s because he was the frontrunner, and everybody in the Republican Party got a chance to look at him. And when they looked at him, they wait well, wait a minute, he?s not with us on almost all of the core issues of?on the economic side, he was against the President?s tax cuts, he was bad on immigration. On the environment, he?s absolutely terrible. He buys into the complete left wing environmentalist movement in this country. He is for bigger government on a whole laundry list of issues. He was?I mean, on medical care, I mean, he was for re-importation of drugs. I mean, you can go on down the list. I mean, this is a guy who on a lot of the core economic issues, is not even close to being a moderate, in my opinion. And then on the issue of, on social conservative issues, you point to me one time John McCain every took the floor of the United States Senate to talk about a social conservative issue. It never happened. I mean, this is a guy who says he believes in these things, but I can tell you, inside the room, when we were in these meetings, there was nobody who fought harder not to have these votes before the United States Senate on some of the most important social conservative issues, whether it?s marriage or abortion or the like. He always fought against us to even bring them up, because he was uncomfortable voting for them. So I mean, this is just not a guy I think in the end that washes with the mainstream of the Republican Party.

http://hughhewitt.townhall.com...4a57-98bd-68635a744540

Nothing swiftboating won't solve. The Republican Base would be scared of someone whose Moral Compass is racist against white people.

I really hope Obama will lose the nomination/drop out. If he doesn't, wait for the swiftboating, it'd be awesome.

He's gonna get Wrighted. LOL his name is Wright (i.e. Right). Hah the effin beauty of it.

:laugh:

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: glutenberg
It's amazing how little substantiation there is in this thread. All I see is emotional jabber.

You don't think Republicans will swiftboat him with the pastor's comments should he be nominated?

You'd be foolish to think that the average voter would vote for someone who has been going to a racist church for 20 years.

Are people that uninformed about the hypocrisy of this entire situation? Hasn't it been said multiple times that when it comes to receiving white Fundamentalist pastors go ahead that it's ok but for some reason this is a no no? I'm going to vote on my principles. If you feel the need to vote for hypocrisy, then feel free to do so. It's a pretty sad statement about how far race relations have really come; from blatant to surreptitious.

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
First of all Obama will be nominated. It's nearly a certainty.

Secondly, the states in the middle of America have voted almost uniformly Republican in every presidential election for the last 30 years. (with the one exception being 1996 where a couple... not many... but a couple voted for an incumbent president during a roaring economy. Be still my heart.)

This thread is just another 9 month away prediction based upon your analysis of a singular event that will be mostly forgotten in November. Predictions of results in November are a waste of time... this one is as large a waste of time as the 10 prediction threads that have come before it.

Not unless superdelegates declare him to be unelectable and vote for HRC.

Let's do an EV count. Obama is not going to win most of the states he won in the GE. My count: CA, OR, WA, NY, PA, NJ, (most if not all of the New England states). That isn't going to be enough to win an election.

He will not win MI or FL, or any of the states he has "won" so far. People voted for him because they couldn't stand Hillary.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: eskimospy
The flyover already always votes Republican. Nobody cares about them.

Keep telling yourself that. Hardcore liberals and republicans will vote for their party's candidate no matter what, it's the swing voters that you need to win over. I don't see Obama winning many when (God forbid he gets nominated) he gets swiftboated.

First of all Obama will be nominated. It's nearly a certainty.

Secondly, the states in the middle of America have voted almost uniformly Republican in every presidential election for the last 30 years. (with the one exception being 1996 where a couple... not many... but a couple voted for an incumbent president during a roaring economy. Be still my heart.)

This thread is just another 9 month away prediction based upon your analysis of a singular event that will be mostly forgotten in November. Predictions of results in November are a waste of time... this one is as large a waste of time as the 10 prediction threads that have come before it.

if we're writing off the middle of america, should we elect HRC as the democratic nominee? she won the NE, CA, OH, PA, and FL.

PA hasn't voted yet, the Northeast and California are Democratic locks, and Florida's election was tainted. She did win Ohio though, you're right. If you think that the Democratic primary results are likely to mirror the general election results, then by all means support Hillary. I don't know why you would think that, but that's up to you.

Alphatarget, I think your understanding of politics is very simplistic and you are attaching far too much significance to a singular event 3/4 of a year away from the election.

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: glutenberg
It's amazing how little substantiation there is in this thread. All I see is emotional jabber.

You don't think Republicans will swiftboat him with the pastor's comments should he be nominated?

You'd be foolish to think that the average voter would vote for someone who has been going to a racist church for 20 years.

Are people that uninformed about the hypocrisy of this entire situation? Hasn't it been said multiple times that when it comes to receiving white Fundamentalist pastors go ahead that it's ok but for some reason this is a no no? I'm going to vote on my principles. If you feel the need to vote for hypocrisy, then feel free to do so. It's a pretty sad statement about how far race relations have really come; from blatant to surreptitious.

Receiving go-aheads is different from getting hateful sh!t preached to you every Sunday.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: yllus
In this thread, people who dislike Senator Obama will try to convince themselves of his unelectability by patting each other on the back for the most specious of reasons.

I actually sort of prefer McCain because he's less likely to get all protectionist on my country, but the reasoning in this thread is a joke.

Yep, just another Corbett/Sinsear circle jerk. These guys are laughably predictable.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: eskimospy
The flyover already always votes Republican. Nobody cares about them.

Keep telling yourself that. Hardcore liberals and republicans will vote for their party's candidate no matter what, it's the swing voters that you need to win over. I don't see Obama winning many when (God forbid he gets nominated) he gets swiftboated.

First of all Obama will be nominated. It's nearly a certainty.

Secondly, the states in the middle of America have voted almost uniformly Republican in every presidential election for the last 30 years. (with the one exception being 1996 where a couple... not many... but a couple voted for an incumbent president during a roaring economy. Be still my heart.)

This thread is just another 9 month away prediction based upon your analysis of a singular event that will be mostly forgotten in November. Predictions of results in November are a waste of time... this one is as large a waste of time as the 10 prediction threads that have come before it.

if we're writing off the middle of america, should we elect HRC as the democratic nominee? she won the NE, CA, OH, PA, and FL.

PA hasn't voted yet, the Northeast and California are Democratic locks, and Florida's election was tainted. She did win Ohio though, you're right. If you think that the Democratic primary results are likely to mirror the general election results, then by all means support Hillary. I don't know why you would think that, but that's up to you.

Alphatarget, I think your understanding of politics is very simplistic and you are attaching far too much significance to a singular event 3/4 of a year away from the election.

I don't, really, I just don't get how you could write-off the area of the country that's the entire reason Obama is going to win the nomination. take out the fly-over states and we're looking at Hillary v McCain '08.

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: yllus
In this thread, people who dislike Senator Obama will try to convince themselves of his unelectability by patting each other on the back for the most specious of reasons.

I actually sort of prefer McCain because he's less likely to get all protectionist on my country, but the reasoning in this thread is a joke.

Yep, just another Corbett/Sinsear circle jerk. These guys are laughably predictable.

Typical Obotsma.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: eskimospy
The flyover already always votes Republican. Nobody cares about them.

Keep telling yourself that. Hardcore liberals and republicans will vote for their party's candidate no matter what, it's the swing voters that you need to win over. I don't see Obama winning many when (God forbid he gets nominated) he gets swiftboated.

First of all Obama will be nominated. It's nearly a certainty.

Secondly, the states in the middle of America have voted almost uniformly Republican in every presidential election for the last 30 years. (with the one exception being 1996 where a couple... not many... but a couple voted for an incumbent president during a roaring economy. Be still my heart.)

This thread is just another 9 month away prediction based upon your analysis of a singular event that will be mostly forgotten in November. Predictions of results in November are a waste of time... this one is as large a waste of time as the 10 prediction threads that have come before it.

if we're writing off the middle of america, should we elect HRC as the democratic nominee? she won the NE, CA, OH, PA, and FL.

Against another Democrat?

 

[OrByte]

I guess McCain cannot win based on his qualifications, positions, and experience.

So, It makes sense that the GOP is counting on winning by lying and trying to bring down their opponent ala swiftboating.

yeah, that is really something to be proud of fanboys.

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: glutenberg
It's amazing how little substantiation there is in this thread. All I see is emotional jabber.

Well, it IS a thread about Barack Omaba after all!

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: eskimospy
The flyover already always votes Republican. Nobody cares about them.

Keep telling yourself that. Hardcore liberals and republicans will vote for their party's candidate no matter what, it's the swing voters that you need to win over. I don't see Obama winning many when (God forbid he gets nominated) he gets swiftboated.

First of all Obama will be nominated. It's nearly a certainty.

Secondly, the states in the middle of America have voted almost uniformly Republican in every presidential election for the last 30 years. (with the one exception being 1996 where a couple... not many... but a couple voted for an incumbent president during a roaring economy. Be still my heart.)

This thread is just another 9 month away prediction based upon your analysis of a singular event that will be mostly forgotten in November. Predictions of results in November are a waste of time... this one is as large a waste of time as the 10 prediction threads that have come before it.

if we're writing off the middle of america, should we elect HRC as the democratic nominee? she won the NE, CA, OH, PA, and FL.

PA hasn't voted yet, the Northeast and California are Democratic locks, and Florida's election was tainted. She did win Ohio though, you're right. If you think that the Democratic primary results are likely to mirror the general election results, then by all means support Hillary. I don't know why you would think that, but that's up to you.

Alphatarget, I think your understanding of politics is very simplistic and you are attaching far too much significance to a singular event 3/4 of a year away from the election.

Oh yeah, insulting me makes you so smart. Not!

Just wait and see I guess.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: eskimospy
First of all Obama will be nominated. It's nearly a certainty.

Secondly, the states in the middle of America have voted almost uniformly Republican in every presidential election for the last 30 years. (with the one exception being 1996 where a couple... not many... but a couple voted for an incumbent president during a roaring economy. Be still my heart.)

This thread is just another 9 month away prediction based upon your analysis of a singular event that will be mostly forgotten in November. Predictions of results in November are a waste of time... this one is as large a waste of time as the 10 prediction threads that have come before it.

Not unless superdelegates declare him to be unelectable and vote for HRC.

Let's do an EV count. Obama is not going to win most of the states he won in the GE. My count: CA, OR, WA, NY, PA, NJ, (most if not all of the New England states). That isn't going to be enough to win an election.

He will not win MI or FL, or any of the states he has "won" so far. People voted for him because they couldn't stand Hillary.

It's a catch 22 for dems. Delegates vote for Obama and Hillary machine is bitter and many will not vote for Obama. Hillary gets delegates (and goes against the people) and the Obamabots and the majority that voted for him will be jaded and some will stay home. Pretty effed up situation IMO.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: glutenberg
It's amazing how little substantiation there is in this thread. All I see is emotional jabber.

You don't think Republicans will swiftboat him with the pastor's comments should he be nominated?

You'd be foolish to think that the average voter would vote for someone who has been going to a racist church for 20 years.

Are people that uninformed about the hypocrisy of this entire situation? Hasn't it been said multiple times that when it comes to receiving white Fundamentalist pastors go ahead that it's ok but for some reason this is a no no? I'm going to vote on my principles. If you feel the need to vote for hypocrisy, then feel free to do so. It's a pretty sad statement about how far race relations have really come; from blatant to surreptitious.

Receiving go-aheads is different from getting hateful sh!t preached to you every Sunday.

Let's be as irrational as you in regards to McCain. Assuming that Obama went to church every Sunday, that's about 1040 days spent in church which equates to about 3 years of which there's a week gap between each "hateful" sermon. McCain was held under Vietnamese imprisonment for 5.5 years in which he was tortured and I'm sure, belittled daily. Does that mean McCain is now a Vietcong and hates Democratic American too? Man, logic can be fun when you spit absolute garbage to support your views.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: glutenberg
It's amazing how little substantiation there is in this thread. All I see is emotional jabber.

Well, it IS a thread about Barack Omaba after all!

No no, it's a thread in ATPN. You are not innocent of the PN effect.

 

[nageov3t]

this thread is pretty much ftw :laugh:

I think P&N needs a no-rules thread where we can bash each other relentlessly and enforce civility in every other thread

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Oh yeah, insulting me makes you so smart. Not!

Just wait and see I guess.

This is obviously not your intent or you wouldn't have started this thread.

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: glutenberg
It's amazing how little substantiation there is in this thread. All I see is emotional jabber.

You don't think Republicans will swiftboat him with the pastor's comments should he be nominated?

You'd be foolish to think that the average voter would vote for someone who has been going to a racist church for 20 years.

Are people that uninformed about the hypocrisy of this entire situation? Hasn't it been said multiple times that when it comes to receiving white Fundamentalist pastors go ahead that it's ok but for some reason this is a no no? I'm going to vote on my principles. If you feel the need to vote for hypocrisy, then feel free to do so. It's a pretty sad statement about how far race relations have really come; from blatant to surreptitious.

Receiving go-aheads is different from getting hateful sh!t preached to you every Sunday.

Let's be as irrational as you in regards to McCain. Assuming that Obama went to church every Sunday, that's about 1040 days spent in church which equates to about 3 years of which there's a week gap between each "hateful" sermon. McCain was held under Vietnamese imprisonment for 5.5 years in which he was tortured and I'm sure, belittled daily. Does that mean McCain is now a Vietcong and hates Democratic American too? Man, logic can be fun when you spit absolute garbage to support your views.

He went to church under his own will whereas McCain was a POW because he got captured. This analogy is totally absurd. You can come up with something better than that!

 

[dahunan]

Why would a Republican vote for McCain now when back when he was running against Bush he was a total slimeball according to Rove.. and the Chriticans fell for it hook line and sinker..

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Let's not let these affluent, idiot "progressives" to ruin the country again. Wake up Obotsmas, your boy isn't electable. Obama will get swiftboated by Republicans, only 100x worse. McCain will win in a landslide if he were to run against Obama. Wait till they run ads with "God d*** America" all day long with Obama's face on it. Middle America will all vote for McCain.

With that said, his speech was great. I agreed with most of it but then realized he wouldn't have had to do the speech if it weren't for his moral compass. He's always been a politician, and if you thought he was anything more than that you are just another member of the disillusioned masses.

Well here is a Pastor that would agree with you on Obama getting out of the race ;

Caution for those easily offended this Pastor goes off big time;

"The honorable Pastor James David Manning, PHD"

Video

 

[Vic]

t:roll:

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: glutenberg
It's amazing how little substantiation there is in this thread. All I see is emotional jabber.

You don't think Republicans will swiftboat him with the pastor's comments should he be nominated?

You'd be foolish to think that the average voter would vote for someone who has been going to a racist church for 20 years.

Are people that uninformed about the hypocrisy of this entire situation? Hasn't it been said multiple times that when it comes to receiving white Fundamentalist pastors go ahead that it's ok but for some reason this is a no no? I'm going to vote on my principles. If you feel the need to vote for hypocrisy, then feel free to do so. It's a pretty sad statement about how far race relations have really come; from blatant to surreptitious.

Receiving go-aheads is different from getting hateful sh!t preached to you every Sunday.

Let's be as irrational as you in regards to McCain. Assuming that Obama went to church every Sunday, that's about 1040 days spent in church which equates to about 3 years of which there's a week gap between each "hateful" sermon. McCain was held under Vietnamese imprisonment for 5.5 years in which he was tortured and I'm sure, belittled daily. Does that mean McCain is now a Vietcong and hates Democratic American too? Man, logic can be fun when you spit absolute garbage to support your views.

He went to church under his own will whereas McCain was a POW because he got captured. This analogy is totally absurd. You can come up with something better than that!

It doesn't matter. You're discussing the principle that being around something means that you're automatically assumed to exhibit all principles preached. If that's the case, McCain being captured and beaten would lead him to absorb the beliefs of his torturers. It's no more absurd to believe that Obama can't pick and choose his beliefs as it is to have McCain remain convicted in his beliefs.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: glutenberg
It's amazing how little substantiation there is in this thread. All I see is emotional jabber.

You don't think Republicans will swiftboat him with the pastor's comments should he be nominated?

You'd be foolish to think that the average voter would vote for someone who has been going to a racist church for 20 years.

Are people that uninformed about the hypocrisy of this entire situation? Hasn't it been said multiple times that when it comes to receiving white Fundamentalist pastors go ahead that it's ok but for some reason this is a no no? I'm going to vote on my principles. If you feel the need to vote for hypocrisy, then feel free to do so. It's a pretty sad statement about how far race relations have really come; from blatant to surreptitious.

Receiving go-aheads is different from getting hateful sh!t preached to you every Sunday.

Let's be as irrational as you in regards to McCain. Assuming that Obama went to church every Sunday, that's about 1040 days spent in church which equates to about 3 years of which there's a week gap between each "hateful" sermon. McCain was held under Vietnamese imprisonment for 5.5 years in which he was tortured and I'm sure, belittled daily. Does that mean McCain is now a Vietcong and hates Democratic American too? Man, logic can be fun when you spit absolute garbage to support your views.

Frankly, it's not that people think Obama thinks these things (excluding Hannity), they merely do not like that he chose to stay at a church where the pastor did think these things. It's really just that simple. McCain is doing the pandering thing to Robertson and people are accepting that in election years base-pandering is expected. The situation here is that Obama attended the church without the pandering motive, and that's the issue. If Obama went to a more moderate church the last 20 years, but in 2008 spoke at Wright's church, sure there'd be a few snipes about how he's pandering to 'angry blacks' to get their vote, but it would be a flash in the pan issue.

Ignoring the very real difference between what McCain is doing with the hatemongers on the right and what Obama has done for the last 20 years is a mistake. He really does need to explain it better, because I don't think he hit the right notes in his speech. I really think this is a serious problem for his campaign, and trying to brush it off as the same as what McCain is doing will not be a satisfactory response. Obama has had very strong answers for just about everything so far, and is a master of language. He should sit down and come up with some really good explanation on why he stayed in that church. Because if he gets the nom, I'll vote for him, but I still don't get why he stayed. And if I as an eventual Obama supporter don't get it, I don't think those who are on the fence about him are going to get it.