I declare Barack Hussein Obama unelectable

[jpeyton]

He's electable, even with his pastor.

In fact, I agree with his pastor on several points.

God **** America.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: sirjonk
Frankly, it's not that people think Obama thinks these things (excluding Hannity), they merely do not like that he chose to stay at a church where the pastor did think these things. It's really just that simple. McCain is doing the pandering thing to Robertson and people are accepting that in election years base-pandering is expected. The situation here is that Obama attended the church without the pandering motive, and that's the issue. If Obama went to a more moderate church the last 20 years, but in 2008 spoke at Wright's church, sure there'd be a few snipes about how he's pandering to 'angry blacks' to get their vote, but it would be a flash in the pan issue.

Ignoring the very real difference between what McCain is doing with the hatemongers on the right and what Obama has done for the last 20 years is a mistake. He really does need to explain it better, because I don't think he hit the right notes in his speech. I really think this is a serious problem for his campaign, and trying to brush it off as the same as what McCain is doing will not be a satisfactory response. Obama has had very strong answers for just about everything so far, and is a master of language. He should sit down and come up with some really good explanation on why he stayed in that church. Because if he gets the nom, I'll vote for him, but I still don't get why he stayed. And if I as an eventual Obama supporter don't get it, I don't think those who are on the fence about him are going to get it.

Basically it comes down to it being better to play the political field and pander (which is basically lying) to people to get their support than to feel anger about the socio-economic status of the people you closely relate to. It's not as if Wright didn't do alot of good for his community. It only takes a few minutes of research to see the principles the man stands for that overrides the anger he feels. It also doesn't take long to see why black Americans would attend his church if you spent a few minutes in South Chicago. As an example of the fair and equal practices of politics in Chicago, a quick look at where the public transportation system ends is enough to show you how a community organizer in Hyde Park would feel.

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
In fact, I agree with his pastor on several points.

God **** America.

Wow, that is just outright pathetic.

 

[StageLeft]

America has what they deserve now. Will they do it to themselves again? In any case, Obama will win the nomination and if they choose another retard over them, too bad for them.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: sirjonk
Frankly, it's not that people think Obama thinks these things (excluding Hannity), they merely do not like that he chose to stay at a church where the pastor did think these things. It's really just that simple. McCain is doing the pandering thing to Robertson and people are accepting that in election years base-pandering is expected. The situation here is that Obama attended the church without the pandering motive, and that's the issue. If Obama went to a more moderate church the last 20 years, but in 2008 spoke at Wright's church, sure there'd be a few snipes about how he's pandering to 'angry blacks' to get their vote, but it would be a flash in the pan issue.

Ignoring the very real difference between what McCain is doing with the hatemongers on the right and what Obama has done for the last 20 years is a mistake. He really does need to explain it better, because I don't think he hit the right notes in his speech. I really think this is a serious problem for his campaign, and trying to brush it off as the same as what McCain is doing will not be a satisfactory response. Obama has had very strong answers for just about everything so far, and is a master of language. He should sit down and come up with some really good explanation on why he stayed in that church. Because if he gets the nom, I'll vote for him, but I still don't get why he stayed. And if I as an eventual Obama supporter don't get it, I don't think those who are on the fence about him are going to get it.

Basically it comes down to it being better to play the political field and pander (which is basically lying) to people to get their support than to feel anger about the socio-economic status of the people you closely relate to. It's not as if Wright didn't do alot of good for his community. It only takes a few minutes of research to see the principles the man stands for that overrides the anger he feels. It also doesn't take long to see why black Americans would attend his church if you spent a few minutes in South Chicago. As an example of the fair and equal practices of politics in Chicago, a quick look at where the public transportation system ends is enough to show you how a community organizer in Hyde Park would feel.

I don't know where you are looking to see the principles the man stands for but I found the real ones;

Trinity United Church of Christ

Dr. Wright?s talking points (3.1.7) for Trinity United Church of Christ its Web site and the Black Value System

Quote:
One of the biggest gaps in knowledge that causes the kind of ignorance that you hear spouted by this man [Erik Rush] and those like him, has to do with the fact that these persons are completely ignorant when it comes to the Black religious tradition. The vision statement of Trinity United Church of Christ is based upon the systematized liberation theology that started in 1969 with the publication of Dr. James Cone?s book, Black Power and Black Theology.

wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hal_Cone

Dr. Cone has explained the his theology as follows[1],[2],[3]

Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community. . . . Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.

This would be the same theology Obama has been a part of for 20 years as well.

 

[RY62]

If there's one thing Democrats are really good at it's being able to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and this election will be just one more example. Democrats had an absolute lock on this election. All we had to do is select a half assed intelligent candidate that was somewhat moderate and we had a win. But, for some reason, we had to push the farthest left, most "progressive", liberal candidates we could find. Maybe the party just likes a challenge or maybe they just didn't really want to inherit the mess that the country is in right now...I don't know.

Some things were clear to me early on... neither Obama or Clinton would be the candidate for an easy win. Both were too far left. The lady had too much baggage and the the black guy had nothing but speeches and, win or lose, was sure to cause a racial divide. Still, a win was possible. All that needed to happen was a combined ticket to unify the party then just run on the issues. The problem here was neither wanted to be in second place so now we have a divided party and a badly damaged candidate in the lead. Even if one of them could squeak out a win, they've made so many enemies, they'll be constantly under attack. All of this leaves "middle of the road" Democrats looking to McCain because, at the very least, he's known to work across the isle. Maybe something can get done.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Topic Title]: I declare Barack Hussein Obama unelectable
Topic Summary: He should GTFO the race

I declare you wrong. Get over it.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: jpeyton
In fact, I agree with his pastor on several points.

God **** America.

Wow, that is just outright pathetic.

Nothing more than your typical Obamabot, which is probably why he's now losing in polls to Hillary and Mccain.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

I declare that Obamarama will never get my vote.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: jpeyton
In fact, I agree with his pastor on several points.

God **** America.

Wow, that is just outright pathetic.

Nothing more than your typical Obamabot, which is probably why he's now losing in polls to Hillary and Mccain.

Polls taken before his last speech. Opinions change.

 

[Bird222]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Receiving go-aheads is different from getting hateful sh!t preached to you every Sunday.

I suppose you have been a faithful member of Obama's church for the past 20 years, otherwise how would you know what has been preached every Sunday. See that's the problem with people, they take 3-4 snipets of something and stretch it into 'preached every Sunday'. Give me a break.

 

[BeauJangles]

Please, no candidate is perfect, but to say Obama should get out the race just points either to how little you know about politics or how much you love McCain or Hillary. He's a strong candidate.

 

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
He's electable, even with his pastor.

In fact, I agree with his pastor on several points.

God **** America.

:thumbsdown: You never fail to disappoint.

 

[BarneyFife]

Obama is unelectable.

I'm a democrat and would rather vote for McCain over him.

I prefer Hillary. People are throwing the Clintons under the bus after we had our best years with them in the white house. I'm probably more upset with the black community for doing what they did to Bill Clinton.

 

[rockyct]

I think everyone's forgetting that Hillary Clinton is the other choice. McCain is not going to fire up the GOP troops like Bush did in the last two elections. However, if he was running against Hillary, that base would get fired up. Obama is not going to spark the hatred that Clinton would. Swiftboating just isn't going to work the same was as it did with Bush especially considered that Obama has a massive financial base to defend himself with. The GOP just doesn't have that same money this year.

Obama did escape almost all fire until the end of February. Since then, it's been a constant barrage of attacks and he's still an average of 3 points ahead of Hillary against her, and tied with Hillary against McCain. This is the time to get those attacks out and even though he's taking hits, he's still doing better than Hillary. The swiftboat attack was something out of left field against Kerry. Any ads that use these preachers in October are not going to get the same traction as they are getting now.

All of this is moot anyway. Unless some massive scandal comes out, he's going to be the nominee. May as well let these attacks play out seven months before the election.

 

[FoBoT]

Hitlary can't win, so i guess y'all are out of options

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: Bird222

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Receiving go-aheads is different from getting hateful sh!t preached to you every Sunday.

I suppose you have been a faithful member of Obama's church for the past 20 years, otherwise how would you know what has been preached every Sunday. See that's the problem with people, they take 3-4 snipets of something and stretch it into 'preached every Sunday'. Give me a break.

The problem is NOT just 3-4 snipets it is a theology and those snipets just highlight the theology, see my post a few posts above.

 

[GTaudiophile]

I find it so sad that you all have bought into the media, hook, line, and sinker.

All the while the USA goes down the toilet because we are always too busy with the "shit" issues instead of the "real" ones like the economy, the national debt, ending the war in Iraq, the environment, killing the IRS, eliminating most government social welfare programs, fixing health care and social security, fixing our crap education system, on and on and on.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
The flyover already always votes Republican. Nobody cares about them.

Maybe thats why democrats lose elections all the time.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Originally posted by: senseamp
I have a feeling Wright will be the least of Blabla Blablama's problems. This guy is like an onion where we are just now starting to pull away the layers, and there is a lot of tears ahead for the Democrats when he's the nominee.

Fixed

The media has done Obama no favors by coddling him all this time. This is stuff that should have come out months ago when Hillary still had a chance.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Looks like the OP is voting for McCain

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Bird222

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Receiving go-aheads is different from getting hateful sh!t preached to you every Sunday.

I suppose you have been a faithful member of Obama's church for the past 20 years, otherwise how would you know what has been preached every Sunday. See that's the problem with people, they take 3-4 snipets of something and stretch it into 'preached every Sunday'. Give me a break.

Except there have been articles about this church and pastor for over a year. Thinking it's an isolated incident is very naive.

 

[Moonbeam]

Hope must die. Us assholes hate the thought of hope. Nobody gets to be more than an asshole because I am. I will pull all of you down in my slimy pit.

 

[SirStev0]

almost as unelectable as Clinton... somehow the demos took a sure win and pissed it away...

There is a time and a place for epic changes like this... and that is in 2012 after four years of the never take a chance, non binding mandates, pussy democrats had majority and the white house and there might actually be changes...

It should have been an easily electable candidate so we can actually save this country from hell... but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

 

[Brigandier]

Religion shouldn't play such a large role in an election. So, Obama has a minister that says crazy things, oh well, Obama doesn't say crazy things. Obama says very sane and reasonable things, what is the huge issue? I personally think Obama's response t o the falp improved him in a lot of people's eyes. What is everyone so afraid of?