I declare Barack Hussein Obama unelectable

[Kerouactivist]

Who woulda thought...the Clintons and righties united together in unity against change?

Makes sense to me...

 

[Lemon law]

Lets see if I can get my arms around the whole premise of this thread.

Just because one not very active P&N poster says Obama is unelectable, that makes him unelectable????????

And now everyone gets their panties in a big bunch over what amounts to one statement. All because of three statements made by Obama's pastor in a Church. Thereby ignoring what ever other statements this pastor has made in all those years that may or may not be more socially redeeming.

The point being, the Rev. Wright did not invent black disenchantment or conjure it up out of thin air. It exists and exists for a reason that Obama can address and partly defuse.

Or maybe we would prefer it if we had some Presidential candidate of the Polyanna stripe. Running around saying all is peace and love in the USA and Iraq is just like an Indiana flea market in the summer.

The point is that we have real problems in many areas. And the first step in solving them is in admitting we have a problem. Even if that messenger of the problem puts it in stark and politically incorrect form that can be counterproductive. Or do we demand that our politicians tell us little comforting lies that only cost us 4 trillion dollars and over 4000 dead.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: bthorny
Who woulda thought...the Clintons and righties united together in unity against change?

Makes sense to me...

"against change"? PUHFUGGINLEEZE! Obamarama isn't "change" just because he claims it in his campaign. He's still the same old recycled class warfare socialist liberal who hasn't done anything to "change" anything he's been apart of.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Lets see if I can get my arms around the whole premise of this thread.

Just because one not very active P&N poster says Obama is unelectable, that makes him unelectable????????

And now everyone gets their panties in a big bunch over what amounts to one statement. All because of three statements made by Obama's pastor in a Church. Thereby ignoring what ever other statements this pastor has made in all those years that may or may not be more socially redeeming.

The point being, the Rev. Wright did not invent black disenchantment or conjure it up out of thin air. It exists and exists for a reason that Obama can address and partly defuse.

Or maybe we would prefer it if we had some Presidential candidate of the Polyanna stripe. Running around saying all is peace and love in the USA and Iraq is just like an Indiana flea market in the summer.

The point is that we have real problems in many areas. And the first step in solving them is in admitting we have a problem. Even if that messenger of the problem puts it in stark and politically incorrect form that can be counterproductive. Or do we demand that our politicians tell us little comforting lies that only cost us 4 trillion dollars and over 4000 dead.

The part I bolded IS the point, but it's a sword that cuts both ways. A candidate addressing problems is good, but on the other hand, people don't LIKE being reminded that problems exist...especially when it's incredibly embarrassing problems like race relations. I mean look at what we've been hearing for years, that racial problems are basically over and we're all one big happy colorblind family. Only anyone who lives in an area with black people, white people and every other race in this country knows that's not true.

I applaud Obama for talking about it (although he was sort of forced into it), but I'm not sure he's doing himself any favors in the long run. People seem VERY interested in pretending race isn't a problem in this country any more, and I'm not sure how much they'll like a black politician telling them otherwise.

 

[Rockinacoustic]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: bthorny
Who woulda thought...the Clintons and righties united together in unity against change?

Makes sense to me...

"against change"? PUHFUGGINLEEZE! Obamarama isn't "change" just because he claims it in his campaign. He's still the same old recycled class warfare socialist liberal who hasn't done anything to "change" anything he's been apart of.

QFT. Let the wheels fall off the bandwagon.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The vague unsubstantiated talking point of hope must die. Us assholes hate the thought of the vague unsubstantiated talking point of hope.

fixed.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Oh yeah, insulting me makes you so smart. Not!

Just wait and see I guess.

It's not an insult, it's the truth. You are attempting to forecast an election based upon the statements of a surrogate 9 months before the election happens. That's extremely simplistic and it indicates you don't have much of an understanding of politics.

Oh and Myxlplyx, no.

 

[Brigandier]

The whole change message me fall on deaf ears, but Obama has been running a different sort of political race. He didn't toss his minister under the bus, which any other politician would have. It's not just Obama's message that resonates it is the way he behaves during the election. Fault him all you will, but when people look at him, hear him, watch him they see a different type of politician, which is very refreshing indeed.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Lets see if I can get my arms around the whole premise of this thread.

Just because one not very active P&N poster says Obama is unelectable, that makes him unelectable????????

And now everyone gets their panties in a big bunch over what amounts to one statement. All because of three statements made by Obama's pastor in a Church. Thereby ignoring what ever other statements this pastor has made in all those years that may or may not be more socially redeeming.

The point being, the Rev. Wright did not invent black disenchantment or conjure it up out of thin air. It exists and exists for a reason that Obama can address and partly defuse.

Or maybe we would prefer it if we had some Presidential candidate of the Polyanna stripe. Running around saying all is peace and love in the USA and Iraq is just like an Indiana flea market in the summer.

The point is that we have real problems in many areas. And the first step in solving them is in admitting we have a problem. Even if that messenger of the problem puts it in stark and politically incorrect form that can be counterproductive. Or do we demand that our politicians tell us little comforting lies that only cost us 4 trillion dollars and over 4000 dead.

The part I bolded IS the point, but it's a sword that cuts both ways. A candidate addressing problems is good, but on the other hand, people don't LIKE being reminded that problems exist...especially when it's incredibly embarrassing problems like race relations. I mean look at what we've been hearing for years, that racial problems are basically over and we're all one big happy colorblind family. Only anyone who lives in an area with black people, white people and every other race in this country knows that's not true.

I applaud Obama for talking about it (although he was sort of forced into it), but I'm not sure he's doing himself any favors in the long run. People seem VERY interested in pretending race isn't a problem in this country any more, and I'm not sure how much they'll like a black politician telling them otherwise.

Of course he was forced to talk about it. And he wouldn't have denounced his pastor or removed him from his campaign staff if not for the video footage. Articles about this church and pastor have been around for more than a year. Obama's judgement is now a question mark.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Brigandier
The whole change message me fall on deaf ears, but Obama has been running a different sort of political race. He didn't toss his minister under the bus, which any other politician would have. It's not just Obama's message that resonates it is the way he behaves during the election. Fault him all you will, but when people look at him, hear him, watch him they see a different type of politician, which is very refreshing indeed.

He's just a very good actor.

 

[HannibalX]

Originally posted by: glutenberg
It's amazing how little substantiation there is in this thread. All I see is emotional jabber.

Funny you mention that because Obama is using the same tactics in his campaign so far.

 

[Brigandier]

And the rest are bad actors, what's the deal? I'd rather have someone that is good at something in the White House for once.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Brigandier
The whole change message me fall on deaf ears, but Obama has been running a different sort of political race. He didn't toss his minister under the bus, which any other politician would have. It's not just Obama's message that resonates it is the way he behaves during the election. Fault him all you will, but when people look at him, hear him, watch him they see a different type of politician, which is very refreshing indeed.

He's just a very good actor.

What are you basing this on?

 

[kage69]

Yep, just another Corbett/Sinsear circle jerk. These guys are laughably predictable.

Looks like it.


The OP does a great job sinking his own thread with the very first sentence as well. Another hack with a middle name hang-up; can't address the merits of the topic so you're content to nitpick the opinions of those associated with the topic.

Predictable and pathetic.

 

[Rockinacoustic]

Originally posted by: Brigandier
And the rest are bad actors, what's the deal? I'd rather have someone that is good at something in the White House for once.

Like giving speeches? Sorry, but talk is cheap.

 

[Brigandier]

Originally posted by: Rockinacoustic

Originally posted by: Brigandier
And the rest are bad actors, what's the deal? I'd rather have someone that is good at something in the White House for once.

Like giving speeches? Sorry, but talk is cheap.

All politicians have is talk and their own brain, that is it. Talk is cheap, watch politicians on mute and then decide who to vote for. Talk is cheap, then STFU, talk is cheap, Talk is the way humans communicate their ideas and ideals to eachother, talk is all we have my monkey-brained friend.

 

[Rockinacoustic]

Originally posted by: Brigandier

Originally posted by: Rockinacoustic

Originally posted by: Brigandier
And the rest are bad actors, what's the deal? I'd rather have someone that is good at something in the White House for once.

Like giving speeches? Sorry, but talk is cheap.

All politicians have is talk and their own brain, that is it. Talk is cheap, watch politicians on mute and then decide who to vote for. Talk is cheap, then STFU, talk is cheap, Talk is the way humans communicate their ideas and ideals to eachother, talk is all we have my monkey-brained friend.

If Barack Obama gives a speech in a middle of the forest, and no one is around to hear it, do you Obamabots still need a change of pants?

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Brigandier
The whole change message me fall on deaf ears, but Obama has been running a different sort of political race. He didn't toss his minister under the bus, which any other politician would have. It's not just Obama's message that resonates it is the way he behaves during the election. Fault him all you will, but when people look at him, hear him, watch him they see a different type of politician, which is very refreshing indeed.

He's just a very good actor.

What are you basing this on?

He talks about Unity and Change yet belongs to a church that preaches the opposite. His moral compass and spiritual leader also preaches the opposite.

He's all talk and no substance.

 

[Brigandier]

I am not an Obamabot,

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: Pale Rider

Originally posted by: glutenberg
It's amazing how little substantiation there is in this thread. All I see is emotional jabber.

Funny you mention that because Obama is using the same tactics in his campaign so far.

So you're basically admitting that you've fallen hook, line, and sinker for the whole, "Obama is all talk, no action," slogan? How about listening to some debates and then using the preliminary information they spell out and researching their potential policies that they post online. Just because you're lazy doesn't mean the information isn't readily available.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Brigandier
I am not an Obamabot,

No, just a lamb.

 

[Brigandier]

Nor am I a lamb, I am just a man that realizes communication is a valuable skill, and an important one if you want to lead and persuade a country. What is McCain going to change, what is Hillary going to change? Is the level of rapport in Washington going to change with either of them?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Brigandier
The whole change message me fall on deaf ears, but Obama has been running a different sort of political race. He didn't toss his minister under the bus, which any other politician would have. It's not just Obama's message that resonates it is the way he behaves during the election. Fault him all you will, but when people look at him, hear him, watch him they see a different type of politician, which is very refreshing indeed.

He's just a very good actor.

What are you basing this on?

He talks about Unity and Change yet belongs to a church that preaches the opposite. His moral compass and spiritual leader also preaches the opposite.

He's all talk and no substance.

So a few speeches by the pastor of a church he goes to define his worldview? That's stupid. There could be a thousand reasons he goes to that church. Maybe his family and friends go there, maybe what the pastor preaches the other 95% of the time are things he agrees with, etc... etc. You're saying he's lying to you because of some argument that's based on guilt by association.

Ie: your argument is shit. You're saying he's all talk and no substance through an argument that's all talk and no substance.

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: Rockinacoustic

If Barack Obama gives a speech in a middle of the forest, and no one is around to hear it, do you Obamabots still need a change of pants?

:laugh:

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: glutenberg
It's amazing how little substantiation there is in this thread. All I see is emotional jabber.

You don't think Republicans will swiftboat him with the pastor's comments should he be nominated?

You'd be foolish to think that the average voter would vote for someone who has been going to a racist church for 20 years.

Are people that uninformed about the hypocrisy of this entire situation? Hasn't it been said multiple times that when it comes to receiving white Fundamentalist pastors go ahead that it's ok but for some reason this is a no no? I'm going to vote on my principles. If you feel the need to vote for hypocrisy, then feel free to do so. It's a pretty sad statement about how far race relations have really come; from blatant to surreptitious.

Receiving go-aheads is different from getting hateful sh!t preached to you every Sunday.

Let's be as irrational as you in regards to McCain. Assuming that Obama went to church every Sunday, that's about 1040 days spent in church which equates to about 3 years of which there's a week gap between each "hateful" sermon. McCain was held under Vietnamese imprisonment for 5.5 years in which he was tortured and I'm sure, belittled daily. Does that mean McCain is now a Vietcong and hates Democratic American too? Man, logic can be fun when you spit absolute garbage to support your views.

Obama went voluntarily.
McCain was a prisoner.
Silly comparison, but you are right that Obama choosing to attend a racist congregation doesn't necessarily make him a racist. Do you think Obama even realized it was a racist congregation? KKK members often didn't realize they were a racist group.