destrekor
Lifer
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we need godly lawyers and godly juries. I never voted this God into office to have control over my life, by him and him alone. I vote for his assassination! Other gods need to voice their opinions so we can get proper opinions formed on them. And then a godly election must be held.
Sure, humans are sick and wretched and we should be ashamed for being alive. It makes sense to punish ourselves mercilessly for the gift of life, all aspects of which a god was completely responsible for.
BoomerD
No Lifer
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BoomerD runs to get away from Noob before the lightning strikes...
yeah, that's pretty much how I feel as well...I believe SOMEONE or SOMETHING created everything, but I don't know who or what...nor if that entity would even want my worship...nor even acknowledge my existance...
It's easier to just ignore deep subjects like this...
It sounds as though you're assuming "mainstream Chistianity" understands who/what God is.
There are bible passages that are commonly used to support the concept of hell. Upon closer inspection, you'll see that there is none.
Eons of pain and slavery for countless millions of people, not even Hitler was that fucked up.
Why do you think god doesn't want to show himself on earth? He would be sent to solitary confinement with a daily belt beating. There isn't a prison on earth fit for that guy.
Originally posted by: BoomerD
BoomerD runs to get away from Noob before the lightning strikes...
yeah, that's pretty much how I feel as well...I believe SOMEONE or SOMETHING created everything, but I don't know who or what...nor if that entity would even want my worship...nor even acknowledge my existance...
It's easier to just ignore deep subjects like this...
i tend to agree, but today's an off one. and ive had like 2 hours of sleep in the past week so it'd be safe to blame the initiation of this discussion on dementia..
: )
Responsibility is a slippery topic to argue, but surely a god would know what would transpire within his diorama project?
?Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God??
-Epicurus
This is one of the oldest arguments...
Kirby
Lifer
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I would argue that being able and not willing would not mean he is malevolent. Malevolent is wishing or appearing to wish evil to others, whereas I believe God lets us make our own choices, evil or not. I personally don't believe that God's purpose is to prevent evil.
well, i would agree with that argument were we to agree on what defines shame and what defines sin.
The point is you believe that a god is responsible for creating the situation we, living organisms, find ourselves in -- a situation that includes some amount of suffering for pretty much all. Yet you also hold the belief that this god wishes his creations well. There's a contradiction here.
I'm ready to accept that there's more to life than meets the eye, but I'm holding out for something a whole hell of a lot more awesome and noble than the god typified in popular culture.
edit: and only if sufficient evidence is forthcoming.
Right now, my mother's opinion matters a lot more then god's. You know why? because I don't even know what god's opinion is. God will have to tell me, then I will decide for myself who's opinion matters more.
Originally posted by: EKKC
I don't believe in God, but i like him, since he doesn't exist.
Fact. An invisible overlord who does absolutely nothing is my favorite kind of overlord.
Being invisible and imperceptible is by definition non-existence.
Kirby
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There's no contradiction. Do our choices not affect our situations? Suffering may suck, but it allows our decisions in those situations to have meaning. I don't if God allows or disallows pain, but I do believe it is necessary. Just because God wishes us well doesn't mean that he has to make our decisions for us, or prevent bad things from happening.
Believe whatever you believe, but keep in mind there's a difference between believing something for reason of evidence and believing something that is comforting. The side you're arguing is certainly an uphill battle in any room that respects reason.
Is it really that difficult for god to log onto his giant computer and run some sort of 'summon corn' command for starving people? He did generate this universe, surely he can generate some extra corn.
Or are there too many beings in the universe for god to keep track of them all? Could then god not create some management hierarchy with certain high-level beings maintaining control of a certain portion of the universe? Hire a few well meaning creatures from each planet for example. Come on, even I can think up solutions and god can't? I should have his job.
nanostuff for god!
destrekor
Lifer
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do you remember the whole trying to wipe the Jewish race off the face of the Earth in sometimes the most imaginative and cruelest ways possible? Yeah, Hitler wasn't that fucked up at all.
I think Hitler is the reincarnation of god. Meaning god was dead. Because we killed it. And then it came back. And we killed it again.
Well, he killed himself, but because we forced his hand in the matter. I do. Norepinephrine, dopamine, pheromones, nucleus accumbens, hypothalamus and clinical observation of related neurochemical proportions to human attachment. Science bitch.
As for god... well... I think scientists are still working on that one.
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