i am selling my nvidia card because its the right thing to do.

[Childs]

Originally posted by: Thorny

Originally posted by: Childs
If you reread the original link, you'll see that the whole thing was settled amicably. I just dont understand what you're crying about. Nividia is a company who's mission is to make money, like every company on the planet. They do it by making video gpus and cpu chipsets. If you want to use their SLi then you need a chipset that supports it. If some company releases a workaround, then Nvidia has every right to defend their business. Nvidia isnt the march of dimes. If some website released a patch to circumvent Windows activation do you think Microsoft would hold hands and sing kumbyah? Would you boycott MS products because of it? DMCA is just one way to enforce it. If the DMCA wasn't around, this site would have still received letters requesting the patch be pulled.

Unless you're a 12 year old kid, I can't believe anyone would be this naive.

You are have just totally ignored a consumers right to fair use. Why should you have to use their chipset to use SLI? You've already paid for the gpu, and I don't recall signing a contract when I purchased it. They should not be able to tell you not to mod the drivers either, you have paid for thier use. There is a BIG difference between stealing software and modding drivers that you PAID for. This is a case of corporate greed at its finest, trying to take away the rights of a consumer using the DMCA.

Someone older than 12 should've be able to figure that out as well.

You can modify the drivers all you want, but when you host the drivers on your site you are responible for the consequences. This is nothing new, and why people typically dont host this kind of stuff. If you dont like the fact that Nvidia's SLi is not supposed to work on any chipset other than Nvidia's, then tough sh1t and buy something else. Its lost revenue for Nvidia, and it adds an unsupported config into the mix, and the quality and experience of SLi could go down the toilet. Nvidia spent money developing and marketing this tech, and I'm sure they want to make sure they get their moneys worth, just like you would want it to actually work when you drop money on 2 GPUs. Its not like they can sell you SLi cards that dont actually do SLi. You want SLi, this is what SLi is: Supported cards, and supported motherboards.

You people have serious entittlement issues. You think ATI would allow a hack to be hosted that allowed non crossfire cards to work in crossfire mode, and on another companies chipset? Guess what, as soon as its posted a c&d will be sent to the website operator. And they are completely within their right to do so.

 

[Thorny]

Originally posted by: Childs

Originally posted by: Thorny

Originally posted by: Childs
If you reread the original link, you'll see that the whole thing was settled amicably. I just dont understand what you're crying about. Nividia is a company who's mission is to make money, like every company on the planet. They do it by making video gpus and cpu chipsets. If you want to use their SLi then you need a chipset that supports it. If some company releases a workaround, then Nvidia has every right to defend their business. Nvidia isnt the march of dimes. If some website released a patch to circumvent Windows activation do you think Microsoft would hold hands and sing kumbyah? Would you boycott MS products because of it? DMCA is just one way to enforce it. If the DMCA wasn't around, this site would have still received letters requesting the patch be pulled.

Unless you're a 12 year old kid, I can't believe anyone would be this naive.

You are have just totally ignored a consumers right to fair use. Why should you have to use their chipset to use SLI? You've already paid for the gpu, and I don't recall signing a contract when I purchased it. They should not be able to tell you not to mod the drivers either, you have paid for thier use. There is a BIG difference between stealing software and modding drivers that you PAID for. This is a case of corporate greed at its finest, trying to take away the rights of a consumer using the DMCA.

Someone older than 12 should've be able to figure that out as well.

You can modify the drivers all you want, but when you host the drivers on your site you are responible for the consequences. This is nothing new, and why people typically dont host this kind of stuff. If you dont like the fact that Nvidia's SLi is not supposed to work on any chipset other than Nvidia's, then tough sh1t and buy something else. Its lost revenue for Nvidia, and it adds an unsupported config into the mix, and the quality and experience of SLi could go down the toilet. Nvidia spent money developing and marketing this tech, and I'm sure they want to make sure they get their moneys worth, just like you would want it to actually work when you drop money on 2 GPUs. Its not like they can sell you SLi cards that dont actually do SLi. You want SLi, this is what SLi is: Supported cards, and supported motherboards.

You people have serious entittlement issues. You think ATI would allow a hack to be hosted that allowed non crossfire cards to work in crossfire mode, and on another companies chipset? Guess what, as soon as its posted a c&d will be sent to the website operator. And they are completely within their right to do so.

So your telling me that my SLi experience would go down the toilet if I don't use thier supported drivers, that may be true. The consequense of that is that I don't get to call customer support complaining about it, or I go buy a supported MB. Either way they are MY cards to do with whatever I please. I don't think I should HAVE to buy a supported MB if I don't want to. If I want to post the modded drivers on my site for FREE, thats my business. I believe hacked drivers of all types have been freely available since Al Gore invented the internet.

As far as my entittlement issues go, that's between me and my wife , My entitlement issues come from corporations that try and tell me what I can and cannot do with items I purchased. I bought it, its mine, ah heck off.

And to rise4310, Sli apparently is NOT a chipset feature if it can be run on other chipsets with a driver hack. I believe AT had an article last year about SLi being implemented on ATI Xfire boards. Of course, it wasn't supported by either Ati or Nvidia...

 

[hans007]

i actually thought about this for a moment.

now i didnt read every post there. most people seem to agree using the DMCA to make a site take down a sli driver is stupid. i mean it should just be unsupported.


that said, nvidia has done this in the past, they seem to be more likely to use legal or well most dastardly business practices to win.

i..e when the first geforce was out. 3dfx was very not competitive. but rather than just win outright, nvidia sued 3dfx over something which was well most people said trivial. but the court battle drained whatever money 3dfx had and they ended up settling by being bought by nvidia. i remember this as i had owned some tdfx stock at the time and us shareholders were pretty much hinging on every little thing nvidia did, since the court costs were enormous.

 

[moonboy403]

Originally posted by: hans007
i actually thought about this for a moment.

now i didnt read every post there. most people seem to agree using the DMCA to make a site take down a sli driver is stupid. i mean it should just be unsupported.


that said, nvidia has done this in the past, they seem to be more likely to use legal or well most dastardly business practices to win.

i..e when the first geforce was out. 3dfx was very not competitive. but rather than just win outright, nvidia sued 3dfx over something which was well most people said trivial. but the court battle drained whatever money 3dfx had and they ended up settling by being bought by nvidia. i remember this as i had owned some tdfx stock at the time and us shareholders were pretty much hinging on every little thing nvidia did, since the court costs were enormous.

this is exactly what corporations do, from intel to amd, from mcdonalds to carl's junior

business is about profit and money period

 

[rise]

Originally posted by: Thorny
And to rise4310, Sli apparently is NOT a chipset feature if it can be run on other chipsets with a driver hack. I believe AT had an article last year about SLi being implemented on ATI Xfire boards. Of course, it wasn't supported by either Ati or Nvidia...

well, clearly it is a chipset feature. you just said so yourself. its not a feature unique to the nf4, we know that. i was just saying that you buying 2 nvidia cards doesn't entitle you to run them in sli. i wouldn't care if you did but complaining about nvidia defending their copyright is a bit of a stretch.

 

[BenSkywalker]

but rather than just win outright, nvidia sued 3dfx over something which was well most people said trivial.

COUNTERsued. When the suit was filed 3Dfx dwarfed nVidia- they attempted to use the suit to shut down a competitor. nVidia filed a countersuit against 3DFX. After 3Dfx became 3dfx and wasted all of their money trying to promote vastly inferior parts they simply ran out of cash.

BTW- if 3dfx had won their suit noone would be allowed to use anything resembling current pixel pipelines- ATi, nVidia or Intel. IIRC you were quite a fan of them were you not?