The 7900GT is good if you volt mod + get a better cooler + overclock to the extreme, otherwise it doesnt get close to the X1800XT, and the X1800XT can be found for $270.
The 7900GT is good if you volt mod + get a better cooler + overclock to the extreme, otherwise it doesnt get close to the X1800XT, and the X1800XT can be found for $270.
But aren't you promoting ATI only? :Q
Why do you say good things about an Nvidia product? :laugh: :beer:
Oh and one :beer: for the other fanATIc Joker :laugh:
Because it's the truth. I might support ATI to the last, but I'm not going to lie about nVidia completely sucking, because they dont. ATI is just so much better.
i think the main thing for me is, that yes i know most of the other companies do bad things here. the intel molestor doesnt really count, thats like saying we should throw eggs at all catholic churches today because some priest have molested kids. i mean intel didnt send our a memo to all their engineers saying "molest a kid today get stock options tommorrow"
i am not saying that intel or amd or whatever are all a bunch of angels. i'd just say the nvidia at this point seems like they are the absolute worst of the bunch so its sort of gone past my tolrerance for it.
i mean ati had that whole detect quake3 benchmark thing a few years ago, and both companies had like fake video optimizations before. but im usually especially offended with dmca abuses for things like this. that and the aeg thing was almost enough on its own , as that was just downright low.
that said, the guy who said it helps the industry. it doesnt help the industry it helps society i guess. if everyone stopped buying nvidia cards because of the dmca they would probably stop abusing it and other companies might also take notice, maybe the copyright parts of the dmca could be removed if some lawmaker saw those effects. wishful thinking i guess.
i also dont even really understand why we even have ati/ nvidia flame wars here.
i think it is easy to sell my nvidia card as there are many equivalent ati ones. its not like ati cards are ridiculously more expensive, or drastically difference in performance or price. there really isnt much to say one is better or the other, sure theres a minor difference here and there, but it is not even near the difference in say AMD vs intel performance last year but we still somehow have fanboys for it. its just a graphics card, you really should just buy the one that is cheaper right now for the same performance.
honestly if i were actually a hardcore gamer i'd buy likely a 7600gt or 7900gt if it wasnt due to this nvidia thing. maybe i will replace my 6800 with the x800xt sitting on my desk. but i dont game anyway. i'm going to use integrated video.
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As long as someone does not have "KT omg I hate u u bastard" in their sig, I really could care less what they put there. Even then I really could care less because sometimes I am a bastard.
5150Joker
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It's funny that you can't see your hypocrisy. You blast me for being a "lackey" for promoting ATi yet you do the same thing only for nVidia. I make no attempts at hiding the fact that I'm pro-ATi, it's funny that you like to point fingers as if you're some neutral guy disgusted by my bias LOL. BTW people have taken notice of the great deals in my sig and used them so obviously they're a good thing.
5150Joker
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i agree with praxis.........you cannot fight every one....have to take it one step at a time.
you should become the change that you want to see in the world!
You think nVidia is alone in this sort of thing. ATI would do the exact same thing if someone had a Crossfire patch up somewhere. In all liklyhood, the company didnt do much of anything at all. They have lawyers who watch for that kind of thing and send a more or less form letter. You might not like all the forms of copyright laws and DRMs, but they are the law, and wont go away. To a large degree, the people who scream the most about any form of protecting copyrights just want something for free, which is not how the world works, it never has, and certainly never will.
Exactly. He's like all the nVidia fanboys- he tries to appear neutral, so those that dont know of his true ways will think he's the godly "non-fanboy netural guy", and we're the only fanboys on these boards.
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actually in total market share of gpus (including low end cards like the x300) ati has a larger market share than nvidia of the discrete graphics chip market.
i am not some ati fan boy or anything i just dont like unsubstantiated statements, but i think its total revenue/ profit nvidia is far ahead because they sell more high end stuff, but marketshare wise ati is slightly ahead ( i think its like 55/45 or somewhere around there).
What keeps me from debating your biased, fanboyotic claims are the fact that it's useless, as you've already made it clear how much loyality you truly have for ATI. So while I could argue with you back and forth, the majority of readers have already read your baseless FUD comments and established yourself as nothing more than an ATI troll, that couldn't get the respect he wanted from Gamespot, so now he decided to troll around here.
btw, thanks for ruining my thread guys. frankly i think ALL of you fanboys are pretty much morons. but if you could just keep to yourself it'd be so much better.
im wondering if it would have gone any different if i had put it in the politics sub forum.
im wondering if it would have gone any different if i had put it in the politics sub forum.
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Proof? Or is this like most of your other claims that you can't produce anything to back up. AFAIK, this 4-1 thing is some guy's unsubstantiated claim and supposedly how much Newegg is selling on the top end 7900 cards and X1900's. Lest you miss the multiple people in other threads saying the same thing, this is some guys word that Newegg is selling this. Newegg has not (to my knowledge) gone on record with official sales records of how much cards they sell and in what categories. If they have, please point me to the link saying so. If not, I could just as easily say ATI is selling 4-1 more than nVidia since if you don't need proof, neither do I.
Sorry, what FUD? The nVidia/AEG issue? Everyone who has the least bit of brains knows nVidia is trying to cover this issue up and claiming it was only a beta testing group. They initially tried to keep quiet on the issue, refusing to comment and hoping it would go away. Finally when more and more web sites picked up on it they had to issue a press release with the claims that there was no viral marketing going on and that AEG only employed beta testers for them. The denials are hilarious because AEG's web site even links viral marketing activities as one of the things they do for companies but beta testing is definitely not listed there.
The truth is nVidia doesn't need to hire AEG to do beta testing for them. They can run a contest on all the major tech sites. Just sign up using an email, with say 10-20 people winning the beta testing slots. These guys would do free beta testing for nVidia. I know I would with the chance to play with new hardware before anyone else.
Now, I do agree that the issue should be allowed to blow over so to speak but I don't agree that it should be forgotten.
Claims that ATI's X1900 is superior in performance compared to the 7900? According to most web sites it is overall a superior single card solution.
And Nelsius, I don't hear too much denouncing of the nVidia fans who were saying ATI did viral marketing as well. Even though there was zero proof to back it up. Now, I'm not saying ATI hasn't done viral marketing or at least have it cross their collective minds but there isn't even one hint of a link to viral marketers and ATI. How about denouncing the nVidia fanboy in this thread who claimed that ATI had 2nd rate cards? Clearly untrue.
Being so new here, I highly doubt you are a good judge of who is spreading FUD and who is a fanboy unless you are biased yourself or someone else in disguise. It just seems to me like you come in and already have preconceived notions of who is a troll and who isn't. Accusing someone of being a fanboy (pro ATI guys) for spreading truth and calling it FUD. Yet not calling out someone else (pro nVidia guys) for spreading lies and unsubstantiated claims and not calling it FUD.
Well, the exact moment this thread went to hell was when a certain Mr W, a self admitted troll, posted on this thread.
** Last post in this thread. Anything to say, say it to me in a PM if you want a response.
I find it funny how an article posted at a reputable hardware website (Tech Report) becomes instantly discredited because it casts a dark shadow over anything regarding ATI (which, from this thread, apparently makes people very passionate).
Okay, so if you want to discredit Tech Report's findings, which I highly doubt are involved in a so called conspiracy to obscure product demand in favor of nVidia (what motive, for one?) then perhaps we can go by other claims. Keep in mind, these claims don't paint the entire picture, but because, like you said, most etailers don't list the amount of cards they sell, it atleast gives us something to go by (imo).
This, posted by theINQ (yes, I know, theINQ - yuck)
http://theinquirer.net/?article=30771
WE spoke with chaps that sell both Nvidia and ATI products and learned some secrets of how the products are sold. It turns out that Nvidia does have a shortage and that it is shipping a limited number of its high end chips.
But, at the same time, it created a massive, unbelievable demand for its products. The chaps explained that the cards are flying off the shelves as Nvidia managed to convince everyone that its product is better.
The same source confirmed that there are huge backorders on the Geforce 7900 GTX cards as it seams that everyone wants them.
At the same time he confirmed that his firm was selling some X1900 XTX cards but not that aggressively.
Or perhaps this finding of "TG Daily's Most Popular 5 Products (as of Sun. Apr. 16)"
Geforce 7600GT
Geforce 7900GT
Geforce 7900GT
Geforce 7900GTX
Geforce 7900GT
I am in no way suggesting that nVidia is trouning ATI in sales. All I am doing is presenting the few pieces of information that is offered to the public as far as product popularity, and hopefully get a slight sense of how the market has gone/is going.
Now that I have presented by evidence for why some of us have come to the conclusion that demand for nVidia cards is high, please state what you have found to suggest otherwise.
Sorry, what FUD? The nVidia/AEG issue? Everyone who has the least bit of brains knows nVidia is trying to cover this issue up and claiming it was only a beta testing group. They initially tried to keep quiet on the issue, refusing to comment and hoping it would go away. Finally when more and more web sites picked up on it they had to issue a press release with the claims that there was no viral marketing going on and that AEG only employed beta testers for them. The denials are hilarious because AEG's web site even links viral marketing activities as one of the things they do for companies but beta testing is definitely not listed there. [/quote]
First off, I guess you missed my first post in this thread.
AEG Clients include: Atari, nVidia, Stardock, 2K Games, Microsoft Game Studios, Xbox, MSN Direct, CDV, WB (network), Cranium, Wizzards of the Coast, Bank of America, Gamespot, as well as others you can view on this page, which AEG openly listed for anyone who wanted to read (and where news of the nVidia/AEG partnership was found out about)
http://www.aeginfo.com/clients.shtml
So if you are going to gripe about nVidia using AEG, you must also critizise all of AEG's other clients, otherwise, you are not being fair, simple as that. But I'm guessing because you didn't do your homework, and went by the PR you heard via speculate articles, you had no idea how broad of an agency AEG was, and the nature of their buisness.
Secondly, please link me to any claims of AEG specifically claiming they participated in viral marketing specificly for nVidia. Yes, it states viral marketing is apart of their advertising, but I have yet to find them specificly noting that their deal with nVidia was strictly this method.
Lastly, please link me to one conclusion from any reputable hardware site of an overall review claiming the x1900XTX's superiority over the Geforce 7900GTX. As far as I've read, performance seems to be dead on, with no clear winner able to be announced performance-wise, however with both cards having their own strenghts. Such as, the x1900XTX able to run HDR + AA and having better AF quality, whereas the Geforce 7900GTX cards able to run cooler, quieter, and have an edge as far as texturing goes (which should come as no surprise).
Go over to Techreport and read that article again. It said "at SOME online vendors", the 7900 is outselling the X1900/X1800 4-to-1. Akugami was merely pointing out that Wreckage was not completely right because it's not as if they are outselling them EVERYWHERE at a 4-to-1 rate. And as Akugami said, it has been mentioned several times that the numbers were regarding NewEgg. I don't think you can extrapolate those numbers to make it worldwide sales or something. I myself don't have hard numbers but I think it's probable that NVidia is outselling ATI right now but not by a 4-to-1 margin.
And about the "clear winner"...there isn't one until you turn up AA at higher resolutions. Go to http://www.xbitlabs.com and read the 7900GTX review and in their conclusion they say that the X1900 wins at higher resolutions with AA turned up. IMO I think that's been the conclusion of many hardware sites.
i still think that 7900gtx vs ati x1900xtx is a non issue.
even if one is lik e5% faster at one game, the other seems to be faster at another. nonetheless who cares, its not like either brand has consistantly been the winner for the last say 5 years. which is why i dont understand why there is so much fanboyism. i mean unlike the amd intel thing there isnt even an underdog factor as they both have about equal share of the market.
there isnt like a regional factor, its not like redsox yankees. so really i dont understand what motivates people to be vid card fan boys.
i know i have digressed from well the topic of my own thread, but well this thread is basically dead. i generally assume that most fanboys generally have some sort of insecurity of whatever product they spent $500 on so they need to constantly plug it, since we dont erally ever see wars about what is better the 7300gs or ths x1300. its ALWAYS the top end card.
as for the aeg thing. i stand by my believing that nvidia hired those fake posters. some of them admitted it. and most boards banned them.
i mean aeg is an advertising firm, but i would assume, that whatever tactic they decided to employ they would have to run by their client. i do not see microsoft in the OS forum posting how great vista is. i am not criticizing nvidia for using aeg. i am criticizing nvidia for using AEG to run a really sneaky and downright wrong ad campaign.
they paid AEG to run it. aeg didnt force them to. i also started this thread to point out that nvidia is using the dmca to basically bully a website mafia style. that is it.
even if one is lik e5% faster at one game, the other seems to be faster at another. nonetheless who cares, its not like either brand has consistantly been the winner for the last say 5 years. which is why i dont understand why there is so much fanboyism. i mean unlike the amd intel thing there isnt even an underdog factor as they both have about equal share of the market.
there isnt like a regional factor, its not like redsox yankees. so really i dont understand what motivates people to be vid card fan boys.
i know i have digressed from well the topic of my own thread, but well this thread is basically dead. i generally assume that most fanboys generally have some sort of insecurity of whatever product they spent $500 on so they need to constantly plug it, since we dont erally ever see wars about what is better the 7300gs or ths x1300. its ALWAYS the top end card.
as for the aeg thing. i stand by my believing that nvidia hired those fake posters. some of them admitted it. and most boards banned them.
i mean aeg is an advertising firm, but i would assume, that whatever tactic they decided to employ they would have to run by their client. i do not see microsoft in the OS forum posting how great vista is. i am not criticizing nvidia for using aeg. i am criticizing nvidia for using AEG to run a really sneaky and downright wrong ad campaign.
they paid AEG to run it. aeg didnt force them to. i also started this thread to point out that nvidia is using the dmca to basically bully a website mafia style. that is it.
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at least someone like rollo got money first to be in AEG,There is no point of doin this if ur not paid..this is totally insane..dont tell me that u love ATi they r not gonna give u money or a home!!
If you don't mind hundreds of priests molesting thousands of children, then what about their strong Nazi support time and time again(the current pope swore his loyalty to Hitler and the Nazi cause, although he pales in comparison to Pious of course)? How about the Crusades? The Inquisition? Comparing a legal company issuing a threat on behalf of their client to the Catholic church who has the blood of millions on their hands is insane.
Have absolutely no shred of a doubt in your mind that ATi is currently using viral marketing. Don't doubt it for a second. If the whole thing will end up going public or not is another matter- also realize that nVidia certainly hasn't stopped.
I am curious how it is that you can justify your rather staggering hypocrisy. You are running an Intel processor in your rig- how on Earth can you get upset about this and remotely pretend to purchase anything based on ethics? It is extremely laughable. I have no qualms with people making choices based on their morals at all- but what standard can you possibly have that Intel has not violated- repeatedly- for years?
They have actual on the payroll staff to handle this- nothing like AEG which shipped out some enthusiasts some hardware for their support that if you break it down they were likely making less then a dime an hour. They are far too good to be figured out that easily(MS's pros). MS doesn't try to hide that they use viral marketing, and extensively, they just aren't going to point out what is their's and what is their enthusiasts.
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