Originally posted by: Slap
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Sorry to hear that...
Because 95% of white males do it is perhaps the dumbest reason I've ever heard to mutilate your child. I did quite a bit of research and that was about the only reason I could come up with for why people do this. It makes no sense.
You do realize that they strap your newborn to a board and basically cut his penis without and anesthetic right? Personally, I couldn't do that to our son. We had an appointment to have it done and we did a bunch of research on the subject but couldn't find any reason to do it medically. Our doctor confirmed this and he told us to think it over for a few weeks and then reschedule if we wanted to go through with it.
In the end we decided not to have him circumcised.
I have done the research and I am doing it mainly so he will be like me. When we are on a camping trip and peeing in the woods, I don't want him asking me why he is different. If that is wrong, so be it. He is my child and I will do it if I please.
Avoid a possibly uncomfortable 3 minute conversation with your son for his benefit
VS
Your son not having something like half his nerve endings
WTF?
One of my friends lost an eye at 3 to cancer, but he's fine now. He's not planning on poking his son's eye out to make him look like him. All you are doing by making your son look like you is offsetting the time frame until he learns that he's been changed, and not for the better. The tides of circumcision are changing- the rates are dropping significantly. It's only about half and half now- so he's not going to be made fun of. What is the reason for taking away half of his total sensation?
Originally posted by: TitanDiddly
Originally posted by: Slap
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Sorry to hear that...
Because 95% of white males do it is perhaps the dumbest reason I've ever heard to mutilate your child. I did quite a bit of research and that was about the only reason I could come up with for why people do this. It makes no sense.
You do realize that they strap your newborn to a board and basically cut his penis without and anesthetic right? Personally, I couldn't do that to our son. We had an appointment to have it done and we did a bunch of research on the subject but couldn't find any reason to do it medically. Our doctor confirmed this and he told us to think it over for a few weeks and then reschedule if we wanted to go through with it.
In the end we decided not to have him circumcised.
I have done the research and I am doing it mainly so he will be like me. When we are on a camping trip and peeing in the woods, I don't want him asking me why he is different. If that is wrong, so be it. He is my child and I will do it if I please.
Avoid a possibly uncomfortable 3 minute conversation with your son for his benefit
VS
Your son not having something like half his nerve endings
WTF?
One of my friends lost an eye at 3 to cancer, but he's fine now. He's not planning on poking his son's eye out to make him look like him. All you are doing by making your son look like you is offsetting the time frame until he learns that he's been changed, and not for the better. The tides of circumcision are changing- the rates are dropping significantly. It's only about half and half now- so he's not going to be made fun of. What is the reason for taking away half of his total sensation?
Look...I respect your opinions, but I would like my child circumcised.
moshquerade
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Originally posted by: Slap
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Slap
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Sorry to hear that...
Because 95% of white males do it is perhaps the dumbest reason I've ever heard to mutilate your child. I did quite a bit of research and that was about the only reason I could come up with for why people do this. It makes no sense.
You do realize that they strap your newborn to a board and basically cut his penis without and anesthetic right? Personally, I couldn't do that to our son. We had an appointment to have it done and we did a bunch of research on the subject but couldn't find any reason to do it medically. Our doctor confirmed this and he told us to think it over for a few weeks and then reschedule if we wanted to go through with it.
In the end we decided not to have him circumcised.
I have done the research and I am doing it mainly so he will be like me. When we are on a camping trip and peeing in the woods, I don't want him asking me why he is different. If that is wrong, so be it. He is my child and I will do it if I please.
I asked a good friend of mine if he had his son circumcised and that was pretty much the reason he gave me. That and so that he isn't teased. :roll: More dumb reasons IMO.
If my son asks me why his looks different (and he hasn't yet) I will explain it to him. I don't see what the big deal is with looking different. His hair is lighter than mine, his eyes are a different color, there are many ways he looks different than me...what's the big deal?
You are right about the teasing. When I was growing up, any uncirced kid in sports or gym class was made fun of. Probaby still that way. Kids are harsh.
Better to teach your son to deal with bullies rather than having surgery done on him.
Besides, if some jock is teasing him about his penis, all your son needs to say, loudly, is "Why are you looking at my penis, are you gay???" That'll shut up the bully and probably get him some disgusted looks.
destrekor
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im sorry to say, but its likely you will regain more sensation as time goes by. They freaking cut nerves, what did you think was going to happen? Any surgery, afterwards you will have either a) increased sensation due to nerve ending being near the place of surgery and stimulated, rather tahn cut into it; or you'll lose sensation. Especially in the area around it.
I got stitches in my hand in September from a big slice caused by a rather large chunk of glass. When the stitches were removed, I had barely any sensation in the palm of my left hand, especially at the base of the thumb. A month later, it was barely any better. I've since regained nearly all of the sensation, but around the scar it still feels different, and the ability to feel sensations is still somewhat different compared to the same area on my right hand. I will continue to regain feeling, but.... it takes time for nerve endings to heal.
expect to gain more sensation as time goes by. I have great sensation in my circumsized self.
I got stitches in my hand in September from a big slice caused by a rather large chunk of glass. When the stitches were removed, I had barely any sensation in the palm of my left hand, especially at the base of the thumb. A month later, it was barely any better. I've since regained nearly all of the sensation, but around the scar it still feels different, and the ability to feel sensations is still somewhat different compared to the same area on my right hand. I will continue to regain feeling, but.... it takes time for nerve endings to heal.
expect to gain more sensation as time goes by. I have great sensation in my circumsized self.
Seriously. I was teased for being chubby and not good at sports. Kids who wore glasses got teased. Kids tease for any reason they want.
Check out National Organization of Restoring Men. You'll have to email them for statistics, but last time I checked it was in the tens of thousands. These are all men who are angry about being circumcised and doing something about it. There's a similar organization in the UK.
And many men who are angry about being circumcised don't belong to NORM. I don't, I certainly didn't want to be cut, and I'm regrowing my foreskin.
I don't want to get in a flame war with you because you are good at those, but I think you should look at it this way.
A parent does not own his son or his penis. Elective infant circumcision is not recommended for any medical reason. Why should a parent ethically (not legally) be allowed to amputate part of their son's body for no medical reason?
Does regrowing it do anything to restore the lost sensitivity or the mucous production that dries up?
Well, if we don't spread the word, who will? Doctors?? There are a million infant circumcisions performed every year, most are elective. They range in price from $150 to $400, depending on location. The circumcision industry is estimated at close to $500 million per year. There is a vested interest in keeping this thing going and its not right.
Yes and yes. Sex has never been better and the lube has been sitting on the shelf collecting dust.
JulesMaximus
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I'm not a fanatic. I just think there are some real good reasons to question the practice and I'm trying to educate people whenever possible.
If Slap wants to circumcise his son I respect his decision. I asked him some questions and pointed out some of the things I went through when trying to decide whether or not to circumcise my son. Hopefully, he found some of what I had to say helpful.
That is all.
moshquerade
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i don't want to get in a flame war with you either, but you have a hard time not realising that your opinion is not the only opinion that matters on this topic.
and you've also posed that question to me before. foreskin is not an appendage like an arm or leg so i don't see why you wanna go down that road and call it an amputation.
parents aren't amputating their infant son's d1cks.
you have your reasons for leaving your son uncut. others have their reasons for having them circumsized. leave it at that.
GuitarDaddy
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I've seen "no legit medical reason for circ" posted repeatedly in this thread.
Now why was it the OP got cut?
"No, I'm not a fan of it. I'm getting it done because I have to. For those asking why...
NSFW NSFW >> Google for 'Phimosis' and 'Paraphimosis' << NSFW NSFW"
So wanting to avoid these type afflictions for your offspring is not a legit reason?
Now why was it the OP got cut?
"No, I'm not a fan of it. I'm getting it done because I have to. For those asking why...
NSFW NSFW >> Google for 'Phimosis' and 'Paraphimosis' << NSFW NSFW"
So wanting to avoid these type afflictions for your offspring is not a legit reason?
GeekDrew
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Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
I've seen "no legit medical reason for circ" posted repeatedly in this thread.
Now why was it the OP got cut?
"No, I'm not a fan of it. I'm getting it done because I have to. For those asking why...
NSFW NSFW >> Google for 'Phimosis' and 'Paraphimosis' << NSFW NSFW"
There *are* medical reasons for having it done, but there is no medical reason that it should be done by default, and continuing the assumption that most men are circumsized.
I personally hope that at some point some man sues his parents for circumsizing him when he was a child, claim a huge amount of damages due to mental anguish, etc., and that he *wins*. And then the case repeats itself over and over and over. I'm of the opinion that parents should *NOT* even remotely think that they can do something to their children (such as circumcision), even if it is legal, unless there is an immediate need for it. Parents get away with far too much BS.
MartyMcFly3
Lifer
Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
I've seen "no legit medical reason for circ" posted repeatedly in this thread.
Now why was it the OP got cut?
"No, I'm not a fan of it. I'm getting it done because I have to. For those asking why...
NSFW NSFW >> Google for 'Phimosis' and 'Paraphimosis' << NSFW NSFW"
So wanting to avoid these type afflictions for your offspring is not a legit reason?
There is not medical reason to do it right after birth. Although a very small amount of men may develop problems like mine, that is hardly a reason to sacrifice half of your son's sensation for a very remote chance of a problem.
well, i didnt really have a choice about being circumcised, im jewish. but, are you sure the loss of sensation isnt due to the recent surgery? because i mean, im pretty damn sensitive.
but i guess it is possible to be more sensative?
but i guess it is possible to be more sensative?
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