I am disgusted.

[hzl eyed grl]

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Whos ignorance?
You can cover up for other people all you want. Fact is their weak and want attention. I'm better off without them, and so are you. If you cant pick your "depressed" butt up off the couch, and quit shovin Oreos in your mouth and go outside and be happy then hell man I dont see much point for you to be here.

wow... you don't have a clue as to what depression is. people can't just "snap" out of it. true depression is a chemical imbalance within their brain. maybe one day you or someone close to you will go through it and you'll realize what you just said was a load of horsecrap.

Ok, a chemical imbalance caused by what? Most likely outside infuelnces.
You dont get fat by eating healthy and exercising do you?
So, what causes depression?

Either way, lets assume its COMPLETELY outside the control of the individual....Again, its simply Darwin at work. Weeding out the weak. So either way your argument is worthless. Because either we're protecting and sheltering the weak, or it IS within their control to not be depressed.
And how many times do i hear "HAHAHA! Darwin at work!" when someone posts a video of someone doing something stupid...(que kid planting his face in a bumper)

So, it seems people DO support Darwin, of course only when it fits their personal agenda. Hell with tat, I support Darwin all the time! And depression is just another of those times.

Ummm... I stopped reading your post where I bolded it Specop 007!

Yeah, I was seriously like...WTF??? I read it to Tim because I thought it was so lame. lol

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: moshquerade
like i said, one day i hope you get to walk in their shoes. you'll change your tune. mark my words.

Not gonna happen. I man up and face my problems, not get all depressed and try to off myself.

Either way, we're just gonna have to agree to disagree. I've made my opinion clear on what I think of these new fad "ailments" we see in society today.

nobody thinks they are going to get cancer either. depression is an illness just like cancer is an illness. i do hope you never get it. i don't wish it on you.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I have NO sympathy for someone who wants to kill themselves. If you cant find any amount of happiness surrounded by all the crap modern day culture can provide for you, then the simple flat out fact is this world is better off without you.
Suicide is for the weak. Darwin at work. We desperately need him anyways.

Does this scare anyone else - someone that apparently holds human life to have little value, who has also posted other threads about requesting cheap depleted uranium, and radio detonators? At first, I thought that the other two threads were a joke, but now this comment - that scares me more than some possibly-suicidal 15 year old.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: Chraticn

Originally posted by: shimsham
maybe when snot nosed 16yo know it alls actually get into the real world out from underneath mommy and daddys wings theyll realize just what a stupid punk theyve been.

Sadly, you sound like one of those snot-nosed "16yo."

It's sad that "mommy and daddy's wing" isn't the safe paradise that most people see. It can even be a more brutal and unforgiving place than the outside world. You people just don't realize that

no, the ones that dont realize that are under the wing,IMO. the ones that dont have the best situation are fully aware of how life can suck and make you feel like sh!t. those that dont, and think people are just weak and stupid more than likely havent really been hit or challenged by lifes finer difficulties.

and for the record, im 32. from the time i was 12 and strong enough, i was lifting my parapalegic father in and out of bed to take him to the hospital, cleaning up his vomit and sh!t, emptying his piss bag, cleaning the wounds from his gangrene, changing the dressings from his dual leg amputations, and on and on. matter of fact at the age of 19 i was giving him cpr due to the heart attack that finally put him out of his misery.

16yo know it all? i think not. if ive learned anything from life its how truly ignorant we are to others lives.

:Q

Now thats manning up and dealin with what life hands you. :beer:

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I have NO sympathy for someone who wants to kill themselves. If you cant find any amount of happiness surrounded by all the crap modern day culture can provide for you, then the simple flat out fact is this world is better off without you.
Suicide is for the weak. Darwin at work. We desperately need him anyways.

Does this scare anyone else - someone that apparently holds human life to have little value, who has also posted other threads about requesting cheap depleted uranium, and radio detonators? At first, I thought that the other two threads were a joke, but now this comment - that scares me more than some possibly-suicidal 15 year old.

:shocked: 2 + 2

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: moshquerade
like i said, one day i hope you get to walk in their shoes. you'll change your tune. mark my words.

Not gonna happen. I man up and face my problems, not get all depressed and try to off myself.

Either way, we're just gonna have to agree to disagree. I've made my opinion clear on what I think of these new fad "ailments" we see in society today.

nobody thinks they are going to get cancer either. depression is an illness just like cancer is an illness. i do hope you never get it. i don't wish it on you.

Fair enough.
You still havent actually answered my question. Is the chemical imbalance completely independent of outside influence?

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: LethalWolfe

Originally posted by: Nebor
I agree. I guess sometimes we take things too far. We seperate the boards too far from reality. If we continue, eventually someone will die as a result of our callousness. We shouldn't wait until it's too late; We need to change the way we deal with these people now.

Errr... If they die it's because they killed themselves. Not because they got some crocodile-tears from ATOT. Publicly announcing to 100,000 strangers that you want to kill yourself usually means you don't want to. Just that you don't feel like you have any way to better articulate your problems.

If you are depressed and are looking for help go to forum related to that topic. Posting in the OT forum of a computer site is just asking for it.


Lethal

It's only a matter of time before the boy really gets eaten by the wolf. And then what? We're at fault for not listening.

 

[imported_Reck]

people who don't suffer from clinical depression just can't know what it's like. so stfu with the callous responses. :x

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: moshquerade
like i said, one day i hope you get to walk in their shoes. you'll change your tune. mark my words.

Not gonna happen. I man up and face my problems, not get all depressed and try to off myself.

Either way, we're just gonna have to agree to disagree. I've made my opinion clear on what I think of these new fad "ailments" we see in society today.

nobody thinks they are going to get cancer either. depression is an illness just like cancer is an illness. i do hope you never get it. i don't wish it on you.

Fair enough.
You still havent actually answered my question. Is the chemical imbalance completely independent of outside influence?

http://www.allaboutdepression.com/cau_01.html

 

[her209]

Yep, everyone thinks they have it the worst, when really, they don't realize how good they have it compared to some other people.

 

[hzl eyed grl]

Originally posted by: Reck
people who don't suffer from clinical depression just can't know what it's like. so stfu with the callous responses. :x

Agreed.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Chraticn
Sadly, you sound like one of those snot-nosed "16yo."
It's sad that "mommy and daddy's wing" isn't the safe paradise that most people see. It can even be a more brutal and unforgiving place than the outside world. You people just don't realize that

WTF are you talking about?
Hmmm.....Dont have to pay rent, dont have to have a job, dont have to worry about medical bills, insurance, car payments, making the mortgage, job layoffs, downsizing, planning for retirement and...oh yes, supporting an ungrateful shallow pussy of a child....
Yeah, "mommy and daddy wing" is REALLY unforgiving isnt it. :roll:

Wow. I nominate for "worst ATOT post ever".

Please, don't ever have kids. Because if they come to you with a problem, that's making them depressed and concerned over it, you'll probably tell your own children to go kill themselves, wouldn't you?

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I have NO sympathy for someone who wants to kill themselves. If you cant find any amount of happiness surrounded by all the crap modern day culture can provide for you, then the simple flat out fact is this world is better off without you.
Suicide is for the weak. Darwin at work. We desperately need him anyways.

Does this scare anyone else - someone that apparently holds human life to have little value, who has also posted other threads about requesting cheap depleted uranium, and radio detonators? At first, I thought that the other two threads were a joke, but now this comment - that scares me more than some possibly-suicidal 15 year old.

American culture is founded on having a lack of respect for human live. They wont admit it, but it surely is.
Simple proof? Whens the last time you were driving in the city and someone waved at you? Or said hi as your walking down the street?
Now, whens the last time some guy freaked out because someone was doing 65 in a 65 zone in the "fast" lane....

People hate people, most just dont want to admit it because they fear peoples response to that fact.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I have NO sympathy for someone who wants to kill themselves. If you cant find any amount of happiness surrounded by all the crap modern day culture can provide for you, then the simple flat out fact is this world is better off without you.
Suicide is for the weak. Darwin at work. We desperately need him anyways.

Does this scare anyone else - someone that apparently holds human life to have little value, who has also posted other threads about requesting cheap depleted uranium, and radio detonators? At first, I thought that the other two threads were a joke, but now this comment - that scares me more than some possibly-suicidal 15 year old.

American culture is founded on having a lack of respect for human live. They wont admit it, but it surely is.
Simple proof? Whens the last time you were driving in the city and someone waved at you? Or said hi as your walking down the street?
Now, whens the last time some guy freaked out because someone was doing 65 in a 65 zone in the "fast" lane....

People hate people, most just dont want to admit it because they fear peoples response to that fact.

someone waved at me today, quite a few people, as i went for a jog along the road.
what's your point again?

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Specop 007
So, it seems people DO support Darwin, of course only when it fits their personal agenda. Hell with tat, I support Darwin all the time! And depression is just another of those times.

like i said, one day i hope you get to walk in their shoes. you'll change your tune. mark my words.

Wow. For once I completely and heartfeltly agree with those words, mosquerade. Never quite thought that I would say that.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Fair enough.
You still havent actually answered my question. Is the chemical imbalance completely independent of outside influence?

http://www.allaboutdepression.com/cau_01.html

So, essentially they dont know what causes it then right?
Which means it very well good be that if they "got up off the couch and went outside" (Made a change in their lives) or something that they would no longer be depressed. Correct?

 

[shimsham]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: Chraticn

Originally posted by: shimsham
maybe when snot nosed 16yo know it alls actually get into the real world out from underneath mommy and daddys wings theyll realize just what a stupid punk theyve been.

Sadly, you sound like one of those snot-nosed "16yo."

It's sad that "mommy and daddy's wing" isn't the safe paradise that most people see. It can even be a more brutal and unforgiving place than the outside world. You people just don't realize that

no, the ones that dont realize that are under the wing,IMO. the ones that dont have the best situation are fully aware of how life can suck and make you feel like sh!t. those that dont, and think people are just weak and stupid more than likely havent really been hit or challenged by lifes finer difficulties.

and for the record, im 32. from the time i was 12 and strong enough, i was lifting my parapalegic father in and out of bed to take him to the hospital, cleaning up his vomit and sh!t, emptying his piss bag, cleaning the wounds from his gangrene, changing the dressings from his dual leg amputations, and on and on. matter of fact at the age of 19 i was giving him cpr due to the heart attack that finally put him out of his misery.

16yo know it all? i think not. if ive learned anything from life its how truly ignorant we are to others lives.

:Q

Now thats manning up and dealin with what life hands you. :beer:

what, you think it never depressed me and made me question whats the point in life? why the need to live when we have something like this to look forward to, in one way or another? now, i was never suicidal or even entertained the thought. but if i didnt have the friends and family that i did, whos to say how it wouldve all ended?

thankfully, no one was callous enough to tell me i was weak and worthless when i was feeling down and overwhelmed.

 

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I have NO sympathy for someone who wants to kill themselves. If you cant find any amount of happiness surrounded by all the crap modern day culture can provide for you, then the simple flat out fact is this world is better off without you.
Suicide is for the weak. Darwin at work. We desperately need him anyways.

Does this scare anyone else - someone that apparently holds human life to have little value, who has also posted other threads about requesting cheap depleted uranium, and radio detonators? At first, I thought that the other two threads were a joke, but now this comment - that scares me more than some possibly-suicidal 15 year old.

American culture is founded on having a lack of respect for human live. They wont admit it, but it surely is.
Simple proof? Whens the last time you were driving in the city and someone waved at you? Or said hi as your walking down the street?
Now, whens the last time some guy freaked out because someone was doing 65 in a 65 zone in the "fast" lane....

People hate people, most just dont want to admit it because they fear peoples response to that fact.

:roll:
Gimmie a break.

 

[aplefka]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Fair enough.
You still havent actually answered my question. Is the chemical imbalance completely independent of outside influence?

http://www.allaboutdepression.com/cau_01.html

So, essentially they dont know what causes it then right?
Which means it very well good be that if they "got up off the couch and went outside" (Made a change in their lives) or something that they would no longer be depressed. Correct?

No, it's something physical inside of their bodies. Although it'd be nice if getting up off the couch did the trick.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Specop 007
So, it seems people DO support Darwin, of course only when it fits their personal agenda. Hell with tat, I support Darwin all the time! And depression is just another of those times.

like i said, one day i hope you get to walk in their shoes. you'll change your tune. mark my words.

Wow. For once I completely and heartfeltly agree with those words, mosquerade. Never quite thought that I would say that.

*faints*

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Chraticn
Sadly, you sound like one of those snot-nosed "16yo."
It's sad that "mommy and daddy's wing" isn't the safe paradise that most people see. It can even be a more brutal and unforgiving place than the outside world. You people just don't realize that

WTF are you talking about?
Hmmm.....Dont have to pay rent, dont have to have a job, dont have to worry about medical bills, insurance, car payments, making the mortgage, job layoffs, downsizing, planning for retirement and...oh yes, supporting an ungrateful shallow pussy of a child....
Yeah, "mommy and daddy wing" is REALLY unforgiving isnt it. :roll:

Wow. I nominate for "worst ATOT post ever".

Please, don't ever have kids. Because if they come to you with a problem, that's making them depressed and concerned over it, you'll probably tell your own children to go kill themselves, wouldn't you?

Really? Funny, I have 3.
The oldest is tops in school. routeinly bringing home awards, and also the top athlete in her class as well. She enjoys all manner of activites, from playing the PS2 to reading a book, and is currently reading the Harry Potter series. She particularly likes horseback riding and archery.
My middle (son) plays games more then the other, and has excellent hand eye cordination. Hes also very outgoing, and routinely stays at our friends house overnight or for the weekend. In addition hes very creative and high strung, as most young boys are. He also loves to go shooting with me, and has been taught the proper basics of firearms handling.
Our youngest, well, shes a little ball of attitude. She has personality, and likes about anything. Has a huge curiosity for the world, and loves to help me on all manner of projects. Shes helped me install the car stereo, build a reloading bench, build a sewing bench for mom and do other little things around the house.

Yep, I'm definately a bad parent. I took a 2 hour detour on our last vacation to take the kids to the Nebraska State Capital, and here in the next few weeks will be taking them to the SAC Air Museum in Omaha. I've regularly taken them out to zoo's, mall's, parks and other places so they can see the world and get some education beyond the classroom.

Whats your point again?

 

[EpsiIon]

Originally posted by: eakers

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein

I know this forum is made up with little boys who don't know better or are trying to look cool but I am sickened by the attitude some here take towards suicide.

It's the internet eakers, and everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. I tried to help, others did not; it is a fact of life. While I respect your opinion, how does this rant help the OP of the thread you are posting about?

it has nothing to do with that thread specifically, i can count numerous times when people, WHO WERE NOT TEENAGERS, came on this forum and expressed they were suicidal and all these people come out of the woodwork to flame them. i am just sick of it.

I agree. Suicide isn't a joke.

aplefka, assuming you know everything about 15-year-old complaining about girl troubles is arrogant and dangerous. Maybe he's clinically depressed; maybe he's not. I can't claim to know and I doubt you can, either. If you don't want to lend him some support (which was all he was asking for), then SHUT UP.

 

[imported_Lucifer]

I had depression. I was in the "depression stage" for 3 years. I got myself out of it. No help from anyone. It's a long story though.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: Chraticn

Originally posted by: shimsham
maybe when snot nosed 16yo know it alls actually get into the real world out from underneath mommy and daddys wings theyll realize just what a stupid punk theyve been.

Sadly, you sound like one of those snot-nosed "16yo."

It's sad that "mommy and daddy's wing" isn't the safe paradise that most people see. It can even be a more brutal and unforgiving place than the outside world. You people just don't realize that

no, the ones that dont realize that are under the wing,IMO. the ones that dont have the best situation are fully aware of how life can suck and make you feel like sh!t. those that dont, and think people are just weak and stupid more than likely havent really been hit or challenged by lifes finer difficulties.

and for the record, im 32. from the time i was 12 and strong enough, i was lifting my parapalegic father in and out of bed to take him to the hospital, cleaning up his vomit and sh!t, emptying his piss bag, cleaning the wounds from his gangrene, changing the dressings from his dual leg amputations, and on and on. matter of fact at the age of 19 i was giving him cpr due to the heart attack that finally put him out of his misery.

16yo know it all? i think not. if ive learned anything from life its how truly ignorant we are to others lives.

:Q

Now thats manning up and dealin with what life hands you. :beer:

what, you think it never depressed me and made me question whats the point in life? why the need to live when we have something like this to look forward to, in one way or another? now, i was never suicidal or even entertained the thought. but if i didnt have the friends and family that i did, whos to say how it wouldve all ended?

thankfully, no one was callous enough to tell me i was weak and worthless when i was feeling down and overwhelmed.

Bit of a difference between being depressed and being suicidal.

 

[CarlKillerMiller]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Chraticn
Sadly, you sound like one of those snot-nosed "16yo."
It's sad that "mommy and daddy's wing" isn't the safe paradise that most people see. It can even be a more brutal and unforgiving place than the outside world. You people just don't realize that

WTF are you talking about?
Hmmm.....Dont have to pay rent, dont have to have a job, dont have to worry about medical bills, insurance, car payments, making the mortgage, job layoffs, downsizing, planning for retirement and...oh yes, supporting an ungrateful shallow pussy of a child....
Yeah, "mommy and daddy wing" is REALLY unforgiving isnt it. :roll:

Wow. I nominate for "worst ATOT post ever".

Please, don't ever have kids. Because if they come to you with a problem, that's making them depressed and concerned over it, you'll probably tell your own children to go kill themselves, wouldn't you?

Really? Funny, I have 3.
The oldest is tops in school. routeinly bringing home awards, and also the top athlete in her class as well. She enjoys all manner of activites, from playing the PS2 to reading a book, and is currently reading the Harry Potter series. She particularly likes horseback riding and archery.
My middle (son) plays games more then the other, and has excellent hand eye cordination. Hes also very outgoing, and routinely stays at our friends house overnight or for the weekend. In addition hes very creative and high strung, as most young boys are. He also loves to go shooting with me, and has been taught the proper basics of firearms handling.
Our youngest, well, shes a little ball of attitude. She has personality, and likes about anything. Has a huge curiosity for the world, and loves to help me on all manner of projects. Shes helped me install the car stereo, build a reloading bench, build a sewing bench for mom and do other little things around the house.

Yep, I'm definately a bad parent. I took a 2 hour detour on our last vacation to take the kids to the Nebraska State Capital, and here in the next few weeks will be taking them to the SAC Air Museum in Omaha. I've regularly taken them out to zoo's, mall's, parks and other places so they can see the world and get some education beyond the classroom.

Whats your point again?

I don't think that your quality as a parent has anything to do with it. he's saying that if you did all of those things and still gave your kids a reason to be depressed, then you wouldn't suggest suicide to them.