I am disgusted.

[Riprorin]

There's a lot of lost, hurting, hate-filled people here.

It's about what I would expect.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Fair enough.
You still havent actually answered my question. Is the chemical imbalance completely independent of outside influence?

Is someone that is born with a malformed (say, only 10% functional) kidney their fault? Do they "deserve to die" (Darwin at work), because they weren't "born perfect" (like you obviously were, right)?

Sure, there are things that can be done to mitigate it, but it is a real medical problem, not a made-up one. I would put it up there with diabetes and athsma sufferers. Should all of them be lined up and shot too, instead of being given inhalers?

The difficulting with depression, is that the brain itself and the functioning of such is still a great mystery. Mechanical body parts aren't so much. Sure, they have drugs that they can prescribe, but I personally (having some experience here), don't really think that they work all that well. The companies don't really know how everything works, so what those drugs do, is kind of similar to spreading kitty litter on an oil spill in a garage - they spread a bunch of chemical molecules in your brain, hoping to "soak up" other "native" brain chemicals, in order to restore a "sense of balance". But the operations of those chemicals, IMHO, is very, very imprecise, and combined with how sensitive the brain's actual functioning is, they can sometimes make the problem worse. (In fact, some anti-depressant drugs, have been recently suspected of actually *increasing* suicidal tendencies amoung the younger patents taking them.)

 

[MrChad]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
i agree with you 100%

:thumbsup:

Well said, eakers.

 

[Specop 007]

I :heart: you guys.
And girls too.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I :heart: you guys.
And girls too.

ok......is that Mr Hyde talking now?

 

[CarlKillerMiller]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I :heart: you guys.
And girls too.

...except for those of you who have considered taking your own lives.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Fair enough.
You still havent actually answered my question. Is the chemical imbalance completely independent of outside influence?

Is someone that is born with a malformed (say, only 10% functional) kidney their fault? Do they "deserve to die" (Darwin at work), because they weren't "born perfect" (like you obviously were, right)?

Sure, there are things that can be done to mitigate it, but it is a real medical problem, not a made-up one. I would put it up there with diabetes and athsma sufferers. Should all of them be lined up and shot too, instead of being given inhalers?

The difficulting with depression, is that the brain itself and the functioning of such is still a great mystery. Mechanical body parts aren't so much. Sure, they have drugs that they can prescribe, but I personally (having some experience here), don't really think that they work all that well. The companies don't really know how everything works, so what those drugs do, is kind of similar to spreading kitty litter on an oil spill in a garage - they spread a bunch of chemical molecules in your brain, hoping to "soak up" other "native" brain chemicals, in order to restore a "sense of balance". But the operations of those chemicals, IMHO, is very, very imprecise, and combined with how sensitive the brain's actual functioning is, they can sometimes make the problem worse. (In fact, some anti-depressant drugs, have been recently suspected of actually *increasing* suicidal tendencies amoung the younger patents taking them.)

Thats a good point. So depression is an actual no bullsh1t medical condition then?

 

[Koing]

Originally posted by: her209
Yep, everyone thinks they have it the worst, when really, they don't realize how good they have it compared to some other people.

Ditto.

My mum would think exactly like Specop 007. She is a very very unsympathetic person.

She worked fields in the Khmer Rouge era and had friends decide to kill themselves for 'one last meal' by the soldiers. They were fed on a hand ful of rice a day and people ate bugs and insects to live. People were blown up from mine fields and random people killed 'for fun'. She didn't quit and give up and lift was tougher then what I or people can imagine.

I suppose if you have lived a hard life you are going to be not sympathetic towards people.

Killing yourself is NOT THE ANSWER.

Koing

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Fair enough.
You still havent actually answered my question. Is the chemical imbalance completely independent of outside influence?

Is someone that is born with a malformed (say, only 10% functional) kidney their fault? Do they "deserve to die" (Darwin at work), because they weren't "born perfect" (like you obviously were, right)?

Sure, there are things that can be done to mitigate it, but it is a real medical problem, not a made-up one. I would put it up there with diabetes and athsma sufferers. Should all of them be lined up and shot too, instead of being given inhalers?

The difficulting with depression, is that the brain itself and the functioning of such is still a great mystery. Mechanical body parts aren't so much. Sure, they have drugs that they can prescribe, but I personally (having some experience here), don't really think that they work all that well. The companies don't really know how everything works, so what those drugs do, is kind of similar to spreading kitty litter on an oil spill in a garage - they spread a bunch of chemical molecules in your brain, hoping to "soak up" other "native" brain chemicals, in order to restore a "sense of balance". But the operations of those chemicals, IMHO, is very, very imprecise, and combined with how sensitive the brain's actual functioning is, they can sometimes make the problem worse. (In fact, some anti-depressant drugs, have been recently suspected of actually *increasing* suicidal tendencies amoung the younger patents taking them.)

Thats a good point. So depression is an actual no bullsh1t medical condition then?

you're coming around :thumbsup:

 

[shimsham]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: Chraticn

Originally posted by: shimsham
maybe when snot nosed 16yo know it alls actually get into the real world out from underneath mommy and daddys wings theyll realize just what a stupid punk theyve been.

Sadly, you sound like one of those snot-nosed "16yo."

It's sad that "mommy and daddy's wing" isn't the safe paradise that most people see. It can even be a more brutal and unforgiving place than the outside world. You people just don't realize that

no, the ones that dont realize that are under the wing,IMO. the ones that dont have the best situation are fully aware of how life can suck and make you feel like sh!t. those that dont, and think people are just weak and stupid more than likely havent really been hit or challenged by lifes finer difficulties.

and for the record, im 32. from the time i was 12 and strong enough, i was lifting my parapalegic father in and out of bed to take him to the hospital, cleaning up his vomit and sh!t, emptying his piss bag, cleaning the wounds from his gangrene, changing the dressings from his dual leg amputations, and on and on. matter of fact at the age of 19 i was giving him cpr due to the heart attack that finally put him out of his misery.

16yo know it all? i think not. if ive learned anything from life its how truly ignorant we are to others lives.

:Q

Now thats manning up and dealin with what life hands you. :beer:

what, you think it never depressed me and made me question whats the point in life? why the need to live when we have something like this to look forward to, in one way or another? now, i was never suicidal or even entertained the thought. but if i didnt have the friends and family that i did, whos to say how it wouldve all ended?

thankfully, no one was callous enough to tell me i was weak and worthless when i was feeling down and overwhelmed.

Bit of a difference between being depressed and being suicidal.

who said there wasnt? you miss what im saying.

the point is without those people that had the compassion and care to listen and help me, i may very well have turned depressed and/or suicidal. i strongly doubt it, thats just not my style. but what formed that style? i wasnt some hard leather badass at 12. it was partly my personality, and partly those that helped me. sadly, or luckily, for some, it doesnt take much for one to overide the other and sway the balance.

im one of the most callous cynical bastards you could ever meet when it comes to how much life can suck. but if someone were to express suicidal tendencies to me, the last thing i would say or act like would be "go ahead, youre just weak so why not clean the gene pool a little". even if i felt that way.

 

[hzl eyed grl]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Fair enough.
You still havent actually answered my question. Is the chemical imbalance completely independent of outside influence?

Is someone that is born with a malformed (say, only 10% functional) kidney their fault? Do they "deserve to die" (Darwin at work), because they weren't "born perfect" (like you obviously were, right)?

Sure, there are things that can be done to mitigate it, but it is a real medical problem, not a made-up one. I would put it up there with diabetes and athsma sufferers. Should all of them be lined up and shot too, instead of being given inhalers?

The difficulting with depression, is that the brain itself and the functioning of such is still a great mystery. Mechanical body parts aren't so much. Sure, they have drugs that they can prescribe, but I personally (having some experience here), don't really think that they work all that well. The companies don't really know how everything works, so what those drugs do, is kind of similar to spreading kitty litter on an oil spill in a garage - they spread a bunch of chemical molecules in your brain, hoping to "soak up" other "native" brain chemicals, in order to restore a "sense of balance". But the operations of those chemicals, IMHO, is very, very imprecise, and combined with how sensitive the brain's actual functioning is, they can sometimes make the problem worse. (In fact, some anti-depressant drugs, have been recently suspected of actually *increasing* suicidal tendencies amoung the younger patents taking them.)

Thats a good point. So depression is an actual no bullsh1t medical condition then?

I still can't believe you're actually serious. You're really serious?

 

[RelaxTheMind]

Yes... Depresson is an actual no BS medical condition... Ignorance however comes from the anus.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I :heart: you guys.
And girls too.

ok......is that Mr Hyde talking now?

Borderline schizoaffective disorders.

 

[EpsiIon]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Chraticn
Sadly, you sound like one of those snot-nosed "16yo."
It's sad that "mommy and daddy's wing" isn't the safe paradise that most people see. It can even be a more brutal and unforgiving place than the outside world. You people just don't realize that

WTF are you talking about?
Hmmm.....Dont have to pay rent, dont have to have a job, dont have to worry about medical bills, insurance, car payments, making the mortgage, job layoffs, downsizing, planning for retirement and...oh yes, supporting an ungrateful shallow pussy of a child....
Yeah, "mommy and daddy wing" is REALLY unforgiving isnt it. :roll:

Wow. I nominate for "worst ATOT post ever".

Please, don't ever have kids. Because if they come to you with a problem, that's making them depressed and concerned over it, you'll probably tell your own children to go kill themselves, wouldn't you?

Really? Funny, I have 3.
The oldest is tops in school. routeinly bringing home awards, and also the top athlete in her class as well. She enjoys all manner of activites, from playing the PS2 to reading a book, and is currently reading the Harry Potter series. She particularly likes horseback riding and archery.
My middle (son) plays games more then the other, and has excellent hand eye cordination. Hes also very outgoing, and routinely stays at our friends house overnight or for the weekend. In addition hes very creative and high strung, as most young boys are. He also loves to go shooting with me, and has been taught the proper basics of firearms handling.
Our youngest, well, shes a little ball of attitude. She has personality, and likes about anything. Has a huge curiosity for the world, and loves to help me on all manner of projects. Shes helped me install the car stereo, build a reloading bench, build a sewing bench for mom and do other little things around the house.

Yep, I'm definately a bad parent. I took a 2 hour detour on our last vacation to take the kids to the Nebraska State Capital, and here in the next few weeks will be taking them to the SAC Air Museum in Omaha. I've regularly taken them out to zoo's, mall's, parks and other places so they can see the world and get some education beyond the classroom.

Whats your point again?

It's good that you're asking this, because you completely missed it. It might become clearer as a question.

What are you going to do if one of your children comes to you and says they're depressed and thinking about committing suicide? I certainly hope you wouldn't tell the child to "stop whining and off yourself." Because that seems to be what you think depressed people should do...

 

[yllus]

I had almost forgotten what an innately good person you are.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I :heart: you guys.
And girls too.

ok......is that Mr Hyde talking now?

Borderline schizoaffective disorders.

i was thinking more MPD (multiple personality disorder). maybe if you get off the couch and stop shoving oreos in your mouth you can shake it off. : /

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: EpsiIon
It's good that you're asking this, because you completely missed it. It might become clearer as a question.

What are you going to do if one of your children comes to you and says they're depressed and thinking about committing suicide? I certainly hope you wouldn't tell the child to "stop whining and off yourself." Because that seems to be what you think depressed people should do...

BEAT THE UNGRATEFUL BRATS!! :|

 

[desk]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
i agree with you 100%

several peoples comments in that thread betrayed their wisdom (or lack thereof).

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I :heart: you guys.
And girls too.

ok......is that Mr Hyde talking now?

Borderline schizoaffective disorders.

i was thinking more MPD (multiple personality disorder). maybe if you get off the couch and stop shoving oreos in your mouth you can shake it off. : /

I'm going to go lay down now for a little while.
We can pick up later.

 

[Taejin]

Originally posted by: eakers
I was just reading a thread where a young BOY just admitted to being suicidal and the remarks that followed were probabley the most shameful and disgusting things I have ever read here. People telling him to off himself, people making fun of him. If you don't know the hopeless feeling of depression and why someone would want to kill themselves and can't be supportive about it then STFU!

Depression is a serious mental illness that not only effects the person but everyone around them that loves them. How would you like it if you mom, grandmother, brother, sister, gf, whoever, was suicidal and there was nothing you could do for them? How would you like it if people told them over and over how much they sucked and told them to kill themselves?

Sometimes, suicide is a cry for attention, but it is almost never because "mommy and daddy wouldn't buy me a car", a serious suicide attempt is a cry for help in a world where life seems so terrible and hopeless that a person could choose not to exist.

This is not the first time I have read comments like this here. People "advising" others to ignore suicidal people (instead of calling the police or trying to get them help), people telling others to just kill themselves when they make a post describing how hopeless life is.

I know this forum is made up with little boys who don't know better or are trying to look cool but I am sickened by the attitude some here take towards suicide.

Sorry, AT Forums don't exist to counsel everyone who comes here talking about suicide. You could berate us about not following your version of morality and good judgement - but honestly, this is an internet forum..heh.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I :heart: you guys.
And girls too.

ok......is that Mr Hyde talking now?

Borderline schizoaffective disorders.

i was thinking more MPD (multiple personality disorder). maybe if you get off the couch and stop shoving oreos in your mouth you can shake it off. : /

I'm going to go lay down now for a little while.
We can pick up later.

nah, you caught my drift.
sweet dreams.

 

[Venom0000]

Hi, first post to ot...

I just wanted to say something about people using Darwin's name in vain, so to speak. Evolution (via natural selection) isn't really applicable in modern society as it works when individuals are competing for food and mates. Our society is essentially one with unlimited resources (distribution of resources being the bottleneck, unless you hold neo-Malthusian beliefs,) and the governing dynamics of natural selection become a moot point without limited resources to compete over. Raising natural selection as a reason the suicidal should off themselves is really without merit, as there's no loss in our herd if the "weak" continue to live. If you're so truly concerned with the genetic future of the human race then you should bear in mind that the clinically depressed may not be overly concerned with reproducing to pass on their "weak" traits and also, those negative traits may not be hereditary and may also be treated by medication in their children. Referring to people in such a dire predictment so callously is just apathy.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Venom0000
Hi, first post to ot...

And yet you think it's new material.

- M4H

 

[Venom0000]

If the world stopped spinning just cause it's been done before, well, this conversation wouldn't have much bearing.

 

[BrokenVisage]

I just read through all 5 pages of this thread and I must say a majority of you shouldn't be so close minded about what Specop007 wrote. Let me first say I am seeing a shameful amount of trolling going on with some posts that have a serious, genuine issue reconized by the OP. And what Specop said about people hating people holds water in my eyes, its inherent, just not as much in some of us. I'm not saying the two or directly related, but it explains why SOME troll to an extent. And I'm sure hes a great father who wouldn't be as graphic with his children about suicide then he would to say.. mostly mature adults such like us, so please understand hes being intellectual and expressing his opinions with us as opposed to being rational and having more concern about listening and resolve with his child.

Edit: Heh, I also think Venom0000 might hold the record for lostest posts-per-day since joining.