I’m a Conservative. My Disabled Son Needs Medicaid to Live

[cytg111]

Perhaps you are just too childish to be able to think. The post in which you claim I blameyoy for something explicetly says you sre not to blame for anything.

Why do you feel the need to put me down like that?

 

[Moonbeam]

Why do you feel the need to put me down like that?

Why do you feel a need to turn your attention to me and skipping over considering the validity of what I said? I told you as clearly as I know how that you accused me of blaming you in a post in which I said you were innocent of blame. Why didn't you address that. Why didn't you either deny or confirm that? And why did you seem to take it as a put down hypothetically suggested you might be childish when you had in the same post that you said I was blaming you, you actually did state you do think I am too old to grasp the concepts here. I mean you were just innocently stating facts, right, whereas I was somehow insulting. I mean, If my words hurt your feelings maybe it was because you got some glimmer of feeling that you were being an ass. Try to understand, you hate yourself and anything that suggests as much you will feel is an attack so long as you fail to confront where who your real worst critic is. I know it's a difficult concept to grasp.

So again, did you accuse me of blaming you in a post where I said you were not to blame? I mean that is possible I guess if you blame yourself because you do not deserve to be innocent of anything. Oh! Now wouldn't that be interesting.

 

[trenchfoot]

What is your reaction?

My honest reaction? Don't give a fuck. They FAFO'd

Article doesn't say if he voted for Trump but if he didn't likely would have said so.

I’m a Conservative. My Disabled Son Needs Medicaid to Live.

I’m a registered Republican who just watched her party spend much of the summer pushing through new cuts to Medicaid.

dnyuz.com

This excerpt from the article. It's not hard to understand, you voted Republican. It's just that simple. We all knew this was coming and we warned you over and over.


I don't like feeling this way but if you were willing to fuck over the country just to maintain power then so be it.

I'd bet one of my silver dollars that come election time, that lady will compulsively vote red again. It's in their blood, transfused by FOX and those alleged conservative AM radio talk show hosts and media clowns, whose only goal is to make bank by riding the coat tails of the likes of Trump. They're laughing their asses off taking their loads of conservative cash to their conservative owned banks that in turn finance their operations.

 

[cytg111]

Why do you feel a need to turn your attention to me and skipping over considering the validity of what I said? I told you as clearly as I know how that you accused me of blaming you in a post in which I said you were innocent of blame. Why didn't you address that. Why didn't you either deny or confirm that? And why did you seem to take it as a put down hypothetically suggested you might be childish when you had in the same post that you said I was blaming you, you actually did state you do think I am too old to grasp the concepts here. I mean you were just innocently stating facts, right, whereas I was somehow insulting. I mean, If my words hurt your feelings maybe it was because you got some glimmer of feeling that you were being an ass. Try to understand, you hate yourself and anything that suggests as much you will feel is an attack so long as you fail to confront where who your real worst critic is. I know it's a difficult concept to grasp.

So again, did you accuse me of blaming you in a post where I said you were not to blame? I mean that is possible I guess if you blame yourself because you do not deserve to be innocent of anything. Oh! Now wouldn't that be interesting.

Cause you were talking to me - and then you said a mean thing? It's hard to see past that with a sense of objectivity once it's out there you know?

 

[BoomerD]

I'd bet one of my silver dollars that come election time, that lady will compulsively vote red again. It's in their blood, transfused by FOX and those alleged conservative AM radio talk show hosts and media clowns, whose only goal is to make bank by riding the coat tails of the likes of Trump. They're laughing their asses off taking their loads of conservative cash to their conservative owned banks that in turn finance their operations.

Of course she will. Trump and the Repukelicans will have convinced her that all the things wrong in the country, all the bad things that are affecting HER...and Biden's fault.

 

[Moonbeam]

Cause you were talking to me - and then you said a mean thing? It's hard to see past that with a sense of objectivity once it's out there you know?ng ago

That’s not what I see. What I see is a person out of their depth trying to save face by feigning hurt feelings while smugly pretending to yourself that the things I say affect you not at all. In this way you continue to pretend irrelevance to the fact that you accused me of blaming you in a post where I said the exact opposite.

Your big mistake in my opinion is that you treat this as a competition. I lost long ago. The paradoxical nature of of truth is that when you lose you win. 🏆
I retired that way and won so much I have much to share but you can only have what you are willing to take. I pretty much know what that is. That’s ok.

 

[K1052]

Voters are adults who have agency and we should stop pretending that they don't. This person helped make the bed, so they can sadly wallow with us in what they helped to foist onto us.

The median voter is a festering pustule of idiocy but they actively made their bed so now they get to lay in it. People say that we should forgive those who voted for Trump but say they were “tricked” or whatever. Most of the time those same people in the same breath say Kamala was just as bad. Nah, get fucked dumbasses. There was a huge substantive difference you were either too stupid to comprehend or you’re lying to yourselves because of partisanship/culture war bullshit that’s infected your brains. If this ship is going down I’ll be calmly having a drink at the bar while you lament the fate you chose.

 

[Moonbeam]

The median voter is a festering pustule of idiocy but they actively made their bed so now they get to lay in it. People say that we should forgive those who voted for Trump but say they were “tricked” or whatever. Most of the time those same people in the same breath say Kamala was just as bad. Nah, get fucked dumbasses. There was a huge substantive difference you were either too stupid to comprehend or you’re lying to yourselves because of partisanship/culture war bullshit that’s infected your brains. If this ship is going down I’ll be calmly having a drink at the bar while you lament the fate you chose.

Yes but what will happen will happen exactly as it must happen and how you feel about it, your attitude toward it and the people involved will not change a thing. The only thing you have any chance to change is how much you decide you want to invest in negative emotions that will damage your health. I suggest alcohol as a stress reliever is not an optional solution. Within you there's a secret garden.

 

[HomerJS]

Yes but what will happen will happen exactly as it must happen and how you feel about it, your attitude toward it and the people involved will not change a thing. The only thing you have any chance to change is how much you decide you want to invest in negative emotions that will damage your health. I suggest alcohol as a stress reliever is not an optional solution. Within you there's a secret garden.

Not giving a fuck is not a negative emotion. It is no emotion. I'm not wishing any new ill will but anything that is a direct result of voting for Trump is on her.

 

[Moonbeam]

Not giving a fuck is not a negative emotion. It is no emotion. I'm not wishing any new ill will but anything that is a direct result of voting for Trump is on her.

Just a few minutes ago, before reading your post, I was feeling no emotion as to the temperature on the dark side of the moon. But thinking about it now it's really not something I would proudly announce to you that I don't give a fuck about unless you tried to tell me otherwise or somehow made an issue of it. Fuck is a word intended to convey strong emotions and not giving a fuck is intended not to relay a lack of emotion but intentional cold indifference ment to convey the sense that what you don't care about is beneath your dignity. What you are really saying is that I was made to feel a victim that nobody cared about our and that now it's your turn for me to dismiss you.

I know you because I can see you in me. Running from the truth doesn't change anything but keep you in a prison. You were always worth caring about and denial won't heal those wounds. Only love will. Caring is how love manifests.

Harming others out if one's own mental illness is not to be permitted. The use of force to stop bad people or bring them to justice should be done with maximum compassion and if compassion for a victim they are about to harm can be prevented in no other way than by lethal force that's what needs to be done. There can be no tolerance for those who act out or for those so full or rage they imagine threats others must kill. Truth is always a third way.

 

[HomerJS]

Just a few minutes ago, before reading your post, I was feeling no emotion as to the temperature on the dark side of the moon. But thinking about it now it's really not something I would proudly announce to you that I don't give a fuck about unless you tried to tell me otherwise or somehow made an issue of it. Fuck is a word intended to convey strong emotions and not giving a fuck is intended not to relay a lack of emotion but intentional cold indifference ment to convey the sense that what you don't care about is beneath your dignity. What you are really saying is that I was made to feel a victim that nobody cared about our and that now it's your turn for me to dismiss you.

I know you because I can see you in me. Running from the truth doesn't change anything but keep you in a prison. You were always worth caring about and denial won't heal those wounds. Only love will. Caring is how love manifests.

Harming others out if one's own mental illness is not to be permitted. The use of force to stop bad people or bring them to justice should be done with maximum compassion and if compassion for a victim they are about to harm can be prevented in no other way than by lethal force that's what needs to be done. There can be no tolerance for those who act out or for those so full or rage they imagine threats others must kill. Truth is always a third way.

You only have a grain of truth. Fuck is a strong emotion. It’s like heat. When you give a fuck you give off strong emotions or heat. When you don’t give a fuck you give off nothing. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is just the absence of heat.

The declaration of not giving a fuck is to answer the question why I don’t care about a woman who voted for Trump and now wants to save her Medicaid only because it affects her personally. Without admitting she will no longer vote Republican which would at least a reason to possibly give a fuck.

To that woman: We tried to tell you, many times

 

[Moonbeam]

You only have a grain of truth. Fuck is a strong emotion. It’s like heat. When you give a fuck you give off strong emotions or heat. When you don’t give a fuck you give off nothing. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is just the absence of heat.

The declaration of not giving a fuck is to answer the question why I don’t care about a woman who voted for Trump and now wants to save her Medicaid only because it affects her personally. Without admitting she will no longer vote Republican which would at least a reason to possibly give a fuck.

To that woman: We tried to tell you, many times

Is it not ego to credit yourself with knowledge that woman lacks? Why is she so pig ignorant and you so much more aware? What do you make of the humility of those who say, “There but for the grace of God go I”.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Is it not ego to credit yourself with knowledge that woman lacks? Why is she so pig ignorant and you so much more aware? What do you make of the humility of those who say, “There but for the grace of God go I”.

If I had to guess, I would say her ignorance is willful

 

[Moonbeam]

If I had to guess, I would say her ignorance is willful

That would be like saying your ignorance is willful rather than unconsciously motivated by your need to be able to blame people for their own unconscious motivations not to see their own behavior. What would you do with your anger if there were nobody to blame for it? The repression of feelings of guilt are the source of blame.

 

[ch33zw1z]

That would be like saying your ignorance is willful rather than unconsciously motivated by your need to be able to blame people for their own unconscious motivations not to see their own behavior. What would you do with your anger if there were nobody to blame for it? The repression of feelings of guilt are the source of blame.

Indeed. Much of my ignorance has been willful. I have to gather the WILL to change it, just like everyone else.

 

[Moonbeam]

Indeed. Much of my ignorance has been willful. I have to gather the WILL to change it, just like everyone else.

Look, just because your ignorance is obvious does not make it willful no matter how much you confess it is or pretend it is in the past. There is a reason that psychologist use the term unconscious motivation and it is because a person so influence is unaware of it. The typical reaction people who enter into analyses and are made aware of this is denial. You have yet to see that you have met the enemy and it is yourself. The unconscious motivation for denial is to is so you can tell yourself you are OK because being in control, being a person who can exercise free will has no unconscious self destructive needs. Pretense is not mental health.

Be kind to the ignorant they lack the same self understanding you do. Kindness to them ism kindness to yourself.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Look, just because your ignorance is obvious does not make it willful no matter how much you confess it is or pretend it is in the past. There is a reason that psychologist use the term unconscious motivation and it is because a person so influence is unaware of it. The typical reaction people who enter into analyses and are made aware of this is denial. You have yet to see that you have met the enemy and it is yourself. The unconscious motivation for denial is to is so you can tell yourself you are OK because being in control, being a person who can exercise free will has no unconscious self destructive needs. Pretense is not mental health.

You assume my ignorance was obvious. You make quite a bit of assumptions about others on a regular basis

Be kind to the ignorant they lack the same self understanding you do. Kindness to them ism kindness to yourself.

Kindness is great. Unfortunately, sometimes others need more direct approach. Pointing out someone’s self destructive voting habits isn’t necessarily mean.

 

[Moonbeam]

You assume my ignorance was obvious. You make quite a bit of assumptions about others on a regular basis

Kindness is great. Unfortunately, sometimes others need more direct approach. Pointing out someone’s self destructive voting habits isn’t necessarily mean.

As you may have noticed, I have no problem pointing things out. Truth is of the utmost importance in everything, in my opinion. But as you doubtless notice, also, there are a huge collection of people in this country who can't seem to see the obvious fact that Trump does not care about them. They are only things he uses for his own ends. worthless in any other way. This is a gigantic problem because the damage voting for Trump causes does not affect only those blind enough to vote for him. The damage he does is world wide.

The issue then is that knowing the truth yourself in this regard, while of great value to you and encouragement to others who also see, the issue is what if anything can we do to wake others up. That is a difficult proposition especially if we don't see what the truth about their blindness is.

As I have told you, I see the matter differently. Everything in me wants to beat ignorant people to death but knowledge closed that door as a moral solution. It is only a desire to pay back for what was done to us, to me, out of the ignorance and anger in others. What we wish for us doing more if the same.

For those who wake up there can be no payback. To end the cycle if violence requires that we suffer. We have to die on the cross. I am very sorry.

We are the world in that the world we see is a projection of our inner psychic content. An inner state full of unconscious, undiagnosed pain gets projected out there. An ignorant vicious world full of evil monsters is our inner state, the truth that we hide from ourselves. We were treated as if we are monsters and learned to believe that lie. A monster is one who passes his or her own misery onto others by putting them down as evil and we do this unwilling to see what we do and who we really are.

Awareness of the facts means we lose self justification, we can't transfer our pain to other and that we need to work to foster compassion. It's not easy. We had few if any living personal teachers in our lives. We don't know what love looks like. But many have come to say the answer is within.

Wouldn't you know, they'd hid it in somebody worthless. Who would look there?

 

[ch33zw1z]

As you may have noticed, I have no problem pointing things out. Truth is of the utmost importance in everything, in my opinion. But as you doubtless notice, also, there are a huge collection of people in this country who can't seem to see the obvious fact that Trump does not care about them. They are only things he uses for his own ends. worthless in any other way. This is a gigantic problem because the damage voting for Trump causes does not affect only those blind enough to vote for him. The damage he does is world wide.

The issue then is that knowing the truth yourself in this regard, while of great value to you and encouragement to others who also see, the issue is what if anything can we do to wake others up. That is a difficult proposition especially if we don't see what the truth about their blindness is.

As I have told you, I see the matter differently. Everything in me wants to beat ignorant people to death but knowledge closed that door as a moral solution. It is only a desire to pay back for what was done to us, to me, out of the ignorance and anger in others. What we wish for us doing more if the same.

For those who wake up there can be no payback. To end the cycle if violence requires that we suffer. We have to die on the cross. I am very sorry.

We are the world in that the world we see is a projection of our inner psychic content. An inner state full of unconscious, undiagnosed pain gets projected out there. An ignorant vicious world full of evil monsters is our inner state, the truth that we hide from ourselves. We were treated as if we are monsters and learned to believe that lie. A monster is one who passes his or her own misery onto others by putting them down as evil and we do this unwilling to see what we do and who we really are.

Awareness of the facts means we lose self justification, we can't transfer our pain to other and that we need to work to foster compassion. It's not easy. We had few if any living personal teachers in our lives. We don't know what love looks like. But many have come to say the answer is within.

Wouldn't you know, they'd hid it in somebody worthless. Who would look there?

TLDR, you lost me at the very beginning when you claim truth is of the utmost importance to you. I don’t think that’s true.

 

[HomerJS]

Is it not ego to credit yourself with knowledge that woman lacks? Why is she so pig ignorant and you so much more aware? What do you make of the humility of those who say, “There but for the grace of God go I”.

Lacking the knowledge and refusing the knowledge are two different things.

First term vote can be lacking the knowledge.
Second term vote is refusing the knowledge.

 

[Moonbeam]

TLDR, you lost me at the very beginning when you claim truth is of the utmost importance to you. I don’t think that’s true.

I remember the first time I was exposed to a source of real wisdom. It was in a book about Zen. I remember throwing it across the room in a rage. Fortunately and for reasons I don’t understand but likely because I was dying psychically at the time, I went back to it and found a strawberry. By a miracle I avoided too long didn’t read. The truth cost me everything and you value what you pay for.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I remember the first time I was exposed to a source of real wisdom. It was in a book about Zen. I remember throwing it across the room in a rage. Fortunately and for reasons I don’t understand but likely because I was dying psychically at the time, I went back to it and found a strawberry. By a miracle I avoided too long didn’t read. The truth cost me everything and you value what you pay for.

Cool, looks like you’re reassuring yourself.

 

[Moonbeam]

Cool, looks like you’re reassuring yourself.

Or you could be seeing your own inner doubt. I try to offer you truth as I see it as best I know how but you always make it about me. I see this an an inevitability and tell you why that happens. Self hate is created by comparisons made by your guardians and others as a child, conditionings as put down and threats that you must measure up, that you are failing to be better than others, that you are a loser and must shape up. And now that you have grown up feeling fucked up someone comes along and says, yes, that's what you feel and the very problem you have is what stands in the way of freedom, that it is only a feeling not a fact. And what do you hear, this guy is saying he's better than me, that it's just his ego speaking.

So let's go with I'm fucked up, that this is all about my ego and my need for affirmation and self reassurance. If what I say is the truth, would me being fucked up make the truth less true? The messenger and the message are not the same.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Or you could be seeing your own inner doubt. I try to offer you truth as I see it as best I know how but you always make it about me. I see this an an inevitability and tell you why that happens. Self hate is created by comparisons made by your guardians and others as a child, conditionings as put down and threats that you must measure up, that you are failing to be better than others, that you are a loser and must shape up. And now that you have grown up feeling fucked up someone comes along and says, yes, that's what you feel and the very problem you have is what stands in the way of freedom, that it is only a feeling not a fact. And what do you hear, this guy is saying he's better than me, that it's just his ego speaking.

So let's go with I'm fucked up, that this is all about my ego and my need for affirmation and self reassurance. If what I say is the truth, would me being fucked up make the truth less true? The messenger and the message are not the same.

I haven’t said anything about the message. I simply stated that it doesn’t seem (and I don’t think) the truth is as valuable to you as you believe it is.

Continue creating stuff for yourself to argue against tho, at least this one was shorter.

“You always make it about me”, lulz, classic projection.

For reference, my initial post and your initial reply

Post in thread 'I’m a Conservative. My Disabled Son Needs Medicaid to Live'
https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...-needs-medicaid-to-live.2631691/post-41499217

 

[Moonbeam]

I haven’t said anything about the message. I simply stated that it doesn’t seem (and I don’t think) the truth is as valuable to you as you believe it is.

You can believe anything you wish. As you here confess, you say nothing about the issue, what really matters, and make it about me.

Continue creating stuff for yourself to argue against tho, at least this one was shorter.

You are free to read or not read what I post. What you will not do is change how I chose to answer. I answer according to what I have to say in answer to you.

“You always make it about me”, lulz, classic projection.
For reference, my initial post and your initial reply

Post in thread 'I’m a Conservative. My Disabled Son Needs Medicaid to Live'
https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/i’m-a-conservative-my-disabled-son-needs-medicaid-to-live.2631691/post-41499217

I was having a dialog with HomerJS regarding his belief people who are now harmed by Trump but voted for his deserve what they are getting, that they were warned. I believe that is an almost universal reaction among Liberals and conservatives alike that is not only wrong but dangerous to believe. It is used as a justification for vengeance and hate and unhealthy because all hate is self hate. We are what we hate, classic projection and to. be what you hate creates self destructive behavior.

At that point you chime in with ab affirmation that self destructive notion that ignorance is willful and that therefore they deserve what they get. You now claim that this general idea that the sinless should throw the first stone should not apply, that people who voted for Trump are not brainwashed through no fault of their own but deserve to suffer. You then claim that because I suggested by name that you were guilty if violation what I suggest is the truth means I am singling you out and making the universal I argue for all about just you.

I stated a general psychological condition most people believe is true but which I believe isn't. You contradicted it. I told you another universal as to why people need to believe as you do. In the first place how could I make an argument that people are not responsible for their ignorance and then make it about you (blaming you) for being that way?