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[cytg111]

Numerous instances in world history suggest otherwise.

Ok I guess I missed the news today then cause that would suggest you all out practicing your beliefs right now and more shit would be on fire than not?

 

[Moonbeam]

There comes a point where you might need to drive a dagger through someones heart simply in order to defend your own life. How do you propose to do that? With love?

There are a number of ways to answer this that come to mind. In the first place such a time has not come for me. I have never been in such a situation; where I would have had to make a choice, so I have no idea how I would respond. Any answer other than that is theoretical.

Theoretically I believe in the right of self defense as a morally valid and that is partly why I have guns in addition to just an ego attachment to a pleasure I take in owning stuff. I like ceramics and glass, kitchen ware for the same reasons.

Also, and as a result of an experience I had long ago that was the result of intense inner agony, I died in some strange way that resulted changed how I see the world. I suddenly knew everything.

To know is to know not with certainty. I found an inner piece in that the purpose and meaning I had depended on for happiness was no longer gone but back independent of the conditions I had previously thought were needed for it to exist. I woke up here and here is heaven.

All else is death and insanity. That is how it is and we’re I ever in a position to shoot to kill or stab with a dagger anybody who would pose what I thought was a kill or be killed my morality would simply justify pulling the trigger. It is the right thing to do. You don’t need rage hatred etc to do that. The trigger pulls itself out of love for life. Love demands life. It is hatred that seeks death.

Self defense is like swearing around a pot hole. You do it if you can and report it if you see it as a danger to others. How could you feel anything but the sadness that someone was so full of the inability of to deal with his own delusions of worthlessness that he or she could not help but try to kill an innocent person in an attempt to make them hurt worse.

 

[cytg111]

There are a number of ways to answer this that come to mind. In the first place such a time has not come for me. I have never been in such a situation; where I would have had to make a choice, so I have no idea how I would respond. Any answer other than that is theoretical.

Theoretically I believe in the right of self defense as a morally valid and that is partly why I have guns in addition to just an ego attachment to a pleasure I take in owning stuff. I like ceramics and glass, kitchen ware for the same reasons.

Also, and as a result of an experience I had long ago that was the result of intense inner agony, I died in some strange way that resulted changed how I see the world. I suddenly knew everything.

To know is to know not with certainty. I found an inner piece in that the purpose and meaning I had depended on for happiness was no longer gone but back independent of the conditions I had previously thought were needed for it to exist. I woke up here and here is heaven.

All else is death and insanity. That is how it is and we’re I ever in a position to shoot to kill or stab with a dagger anybody who would pose what I thought was a kill or be killed my morality would simply justify pulling the trigger. It is the right thing to do. You don’t need rage hatred etc to do that. The trigger pulls itself out of love for life. Love demands life. It is hatred that seeks death.

Self defense is like swearing around a pot hole. You do it if you can and report it if you see it as a danger to others. How could you feel anything but the sadness that someone was so full of the inability of to deal with his own delusions of worthlessness that he or she could not help but try to kill an innocent person in an attempt to make them hurt worse.

1. That can be said of 95% of conversations worth having.
2. How many years would you have to put on top of boot camp the get that point across in an effective manner?
3. You obviously dont share realities(otherwise why would you be at each others throat with a blade) and per definition moonie, you wouldnt know if it was in fact you that was the farthest removed (from reality).

 

[Moonbeam]

Don't confuse rage for hate.

How do you propose we debate this? I can already see in your admonition that you have no real understanding of rage and hatred, that my state of knowledge on the matter is beyond the level of your conscious awareness. How should I go about putting my wise old head on your inexperienced shoulders.

I have seen this inwardly. I used to be anesthetized, living in a world on naive bliss unaware that my inner joy in being had been crushed and shattered. But somewhere within me there was disquiet and I began to question the validity of my psychological drugged euphoria. Questions gave way to doubt and then disbelief. This state of anesthesia is the state of depression. The rise of awareness that one is asleep rises to the level of suffering, the state of being sad.

Depression was a state of deep unconsciousness as to the feeling of being sad, where one is unconscious that one is in pain. Sadness is the onset of the awareness of that pain. But the question is, since depression is the repression of the pain of sadness, what does sadness repress, and the answer is our inner resentment at our real inner condition.

Are you happy that you suffer? Of course not but at the same time the inner state of resignation that sadness represents is there to repress the desire for vengeance but at what, and the answer is at what you fear to be angry about.

So behind sadness and what sadness is is repressed anger, the fear of expressing it but which is there all the time. And so we come to you my dear dank, a person who not afraid of anger, the repression of which is smoldering hate.

But while you have reached the deeper awareness and psychological courage to feel and express contempt, you do not really know what you age really angry at, and that is the purpose of hate, to bleed off enough steam to go into a state of fill blown rage.

But what if you did? I don’t think you have ever done so and I don’t think you know, but I have. I will tell you one experience:

As a seeker I first found answers in Zen that ended the delusion of suffering. I then met a therapist who told me I hated myself and needed to go into myself and allow myself to feel what I feel. I learned much from him before he died. Hoarse later I joined a men’s group which brings us to what I want to tell you. Like you, I am an angry person, full of repressed rage and in one session I was expressing my anger at something. Pretty soon I was screaming with rage and beating my thighs black and blue with my fists when suddenly I was back in early grade school the day I learned my beloved puppy had need killer in the road. So I can tell you that behind rage and what it is there to keep you from feeling is grief. To grieve is to remember, to understand, to feel. To be real, to heal.

So what is it we really grieve. I don’t know down to the root, but I believe that our rage is there to hide the the day we could no longer bear the pain of love.

Anger is repressed rage that denies our inner grief.

We tried to stay alive, fought with all our might, and died. Do not remember. Do not open old wounds. Do not seek love or you will be made to pay.

Remember, dank, you already pain. We turned our backs of being joy.

How do I make that case? I can’t love and you can’t take my hand.

 

[Jaskalas]

Dont know what to tell you... besides that you cant kill half your country.

I favor live and let live.
If only they would agree.

But I can see MAGA still has much to teach you about their parallels to Nazi Germany. For now, you still think coexistence is possible. "The Day Will Come When You Won't Be."

 

[cytg111]

I favor live and let live.
If only they would agree.

But I can see MAGA still has much to teach you about their parallels to Nazi Germany. For now, you still think coexistence is possible. "The Day Will Come When You Won't Be."

So you are 100% certain that Trump will successfully pull a census mid decade and rig the 2026 election by gerrymandering deploying troops and destroying mail in voting?

It's not 2026 yet and I see a lot of pushback. It's not too late to turn the ship around, it can be done, with the right amount of force.

You probably get ONE shot at taking the country back and implement some sort of denazification program.

Miss the shot and I'll agree with you. America -> New Russia.

 

[dank69]

How do you propose we debate this? I can already see in your admonition that you have no real understanding of rage and hatred, that my state of knowledge on the matter is beyond the level of your conscious awareness. How should I go about putting my wise old head on your inexperienced shoulders.

I have seen this inwardly. I used to be anesthetized, living in a world on naive bliss unaware that my inner joy in being had been crushed and shattered. But somewhere within me there was disquiet and I began to question the validity of my psychological drugged euphoria. Questions gave way to doubt and then disbelief. This state of anesthesia is the state of depression. The rise of awareness that one is asleep rises to the level of suffering, the state of being sad.

Depression was a state of deep unconsciousness as to the feeling of being sad, where one is unconscious that one is in pain. Sadness is the onset of the awareness of that pain. But the question is, since depression is the repression of the pain of sadness, what does sadness repress, and the answer is our inner resentment at our real inner condition.

Are you happy that you suffer? Of course not but at the same time the inner state of resignation that sadness represents is there to repress the desire for vengeance but at what, and the answer is at what you fear to be angry about.

So behind sadness and what sadness is is repressed anger, the fear of expressing it but which is there all the time. And so we come to you my dear dank, a person who not afraid of anger, the repression of which is smoldering hate.

But while you have reached the deeper awareness and psychological courage to feel and express contempt, you do not really know what you age really angry at, and that is the purpose of hate, to bleed off enough steam to go into a state of fill blown rage.

But what if you did? I don’t think you have ever done so and I don’t think you know, but I have. I will tell you one experience:

As a seeker I first found answers in Zen that ended the delusion of suffering. I then met a therapist who told me I hated myself and needed to go into myself and allow myself to feel what I feel. I learned much from him before he died. Hoarse later I joined a men’s group which brings us to what I want to tell you. Like you, I am an angry person, full of repressed rage and in one session I was expressing my anger at something. Pretty soon I was screaming with rage and beating my thighs black and blue with my fists when suddenly I was back in early grade school the day I learned my beloved puppy had need killer in the road. So I can tell you that behind rage and what it is there to keep you from feeling is grief. To grieve is to remember, to understand, to feel. To be real, to heal.

So what is it we really grieve. I don’t know down to the root, but I believe that our rage is there to hide the the day we could no longer bear the pain of love.

Anger is repressed rage that denies our inner grief.

We tried to stay alive, fought with all our might, and died. Do not remember. Do not open old wounds. Do not seek love or you will be made to pay.

Remember, dank, you already pain. We turned our backs of being joy.

How do I make that case? I can’t love and you can’t take my hand.

There is no debate. Rage and hate are two different things. Rage can come from hate but it can also come from love. Leftists typically want everyone to be happy and healthy and taken care of, something that is currently possible, and the fact that righties fight it tooth and nail infuriates us. We want them to stop being self destructive shitheads because they are ruining everything for everyone. The worst part is they allow themselves to be manipulated into being self destructive. I'd prefer that they would see the light and change and be happy with everyone else, but if they refuse to do so, I'd prefer they take themselves out with as little collateral damage as possible. When their ignorance causes others to suffer our rage turns justifiably to hate. I'd prefer this shithead parent be the one who suffers instead of their child since the parent seems hellbent on causing at least one of them to suffer. If that is wrong I don't want to be right.

 

[Jaskalas]

So you are 100% certain that Trump will successfully pull a census mid decade and rig the 2026 election by gerrymandering deploying troops and destroying mail in voting?

It's not 2026 yet and I see a lot of pushback. It's not too late to turn the ship around, it can be done, with the right amount of force.

You probably get ONE shot at taking the country back and implement some sort of denazification program.

Miss the shot and I'll agree with you. America -> New Russia.

I think that's where we part ways in expectations.
For me, 2020 was that shot. And we missed so badly.

BTW, what does 2026 mean to you? Congress changes?
Congress is currently meaningless in the Emperor's use of dictatorial power.
If Congress mattered, AT ALL, tariffs would not exist and the American economy would not be so badly damaged.
So, I really don't see how it can help us against fascism.

I guess a House Speaker can go down screaming, as fake charges are used to arrest them for the crime of opposing the Emperor.

 

[cytg111]

I think that's where we part ways in expectations.
For me, 2020 was that shot. And we missed so badly.

BTW, what does 2026 mean to you? Congress changes?
Congress is currently meaningless in the Emperor's use of dictatorial power.
If Congress mattered, AT ALL, tariffs would not exist and the American economy would not be so badly damaged.
So, I really don't see how it can help us against fascism.

I guess a House Speaker can go down screaming, as fake charges are used to arrest them for the crime of opposing the Emperor.

1. Cause congress is not 100% toothless and
2. Retaking congress will witness that voting still matter, democracy still got a pulse.

As long as voting matters - there is a chance.

If he rigs the election process its over.

Then onto 2028. Take that AND put in someone that will use his immunity, if he has to, to wipe out(metaphorically speaking) the SC, dismantle Fox as enemy of the state and deport all maga loyalists in government to el salvador.

You think Gavin Newsom is up for that?

 

[Moonbeam]

There is no debate. Rage and hate are two different things. Rage can come from hate but it can also come from love. Leftists typically want everyone to be happy and healthy and taken care of, something that is currently possible, and the fact that righties fight it tooth and nail infuriates us. We want them to stop being self destructive shitheads because they are ruining everything for everyone. The worst part is they allow themselves to be manipulated into being self destructive. I'd prefer that they would see the light and change and be happy with everyone else, but if they refuse to do so, I'd prefer they take themselves out with as little collateral damage as possible. When their ignorance causes others to suffer our rage turns justifiably to hate. I'd prefer this shithead parent be the one who suffers instead of their child since the parent seems hellbent on causing at least one of them to suffer. If that is wrong I don't want to be right.

Haveyou followed my characterization of bigotry a the holding of a moral belief that is of real value but holding it and believing in it for the wrong reasons. To approach truth is to enter into a paradoxical mental state of confusion owing to that paradoxical condition that can only be resolved, understood at a deeper level by entering into a higher conscious state? That I believe is your condition here. The situation you see in conservative self destructive behavior. It is profoundly sad and deeply dangerous not only to them but also to the rest of us. Nobody with a spread of self awareness would allow themselves to be played like that. It is a case of lacrimae rerum. The distress and anger you feel is not about today. Your pain is not for others but because the same indifference to you and your love happened long ago to you. You have been deeply hurt. Heal yourself. You are full of unfelt grief. Let the poison out. The Buddha achieved transcendences inner the Bo tree. You don’t even need a tree. You can be in the world but not emotionally attached to it at the same time

See if you can find a Japanese film called Red Beard. You don’t have to hate people to stop their horrible behavior. You just act if you can.

 

[dank69]

Haveyou followed my characterization of bigotry a the holding of a moral belief that is of real value but holding it and believing in it for the wrong reasons. To approach truth is to enter into a paradoxical mental state of confusion owing to that paradoxical condition that can only be resolved, understood at a deeper level by entering into a higher conscious state? That I believe is your condition here. The situation you see in conservative self destructive behavior. It is profoundly sad and deeply dangerous not only to them but also to the rest of us. Nobody with a spread of self awareness would allow themselves to be played like that. It is a case of lacrimae rerum. The distress and anger you feel is not about today. Your pain is not for others but because the same indifference to you and your love happened long ago to you. You have been deeply hurt. Heal yourself. You are full of unfelt grief. Let the poison out. The Buddha achieved transcendences inner the Bo tree. You don’t even need a tree. You can be in the world but not emotionally attached to it at the same time

See if you can find a Japanese film called Red Beard. You don’t have to hate people to stop their horrible behavior. You just act if you can.

Pretty sure Buddha had healthcare. It's easy to don't worry be happy when you know your basic needs have been met. It's easy to don't worry be happy when unborn children aren't being treated orders of magnitude better than born children.

 

[Jaskalas]

Re: The prospect of future elections....
The mobilization of military to our streets is simply expanding.
There will be no human rights.

TRUMP DEPLOYING NATIONAL GUARD IN 19 STATES

 

[Moonbeam]

Pretty sure Buddha had healthcare. It's easy to don't worry be happy when you know your basic needs have been met. It's easy to don't worry be happy when unborn children aren't being treated orders of magnitude better than born children.

The Buddha practiced a spiritual path of self mortification designed to break ego attachment to the pleasures of the body and ran out of energy half way crossing a river. He was almost dead. Mid stream he recovered sufficiently to make it to the other side. There he sat under the Bo tree, his deciles aware of his transcendence and dying for him to tell then the nature of the truth he had found. He told them, let’s eat.

The uncared for born child you feel for is you. Only you can care for yourself now. To focus your anger at those who are incapable of loving care is your own contempt for yourself. They matter to you as a way not to count yourself. Charity begins at home.

 

[Moonbeam]

1. Any answer other than that is theoretical. Me
1. That can be said of 95% of conversations worth having. You
1. Since you blatantly announce this as a fact with no effort to establish is as factual I feel it to be OK to just tell you that you are quite wrong. While hypotheticals can serve as interesting thought experiments they are also subject to fatal flaws, namely that thought is fear and conditionedmy random memories of the past. A person sitting in Fort Knox can hallucinate fears of being robbed. This is why your statement is false. 95% of hypothetical thinking is neurotic more so than the other way round.
2. You don’t need rage hatred etc to do that. Me
2. How many years would you have to put on top of boot camp the get that point across in an effective manner? You
2. I can make no sense of this

3. his own delusionse. of worthlessness that he or she could not help but try to kill an innocent person Me

3. You obviously dont share realities(otherwise why would you be at each others throat with a blade) and per definition moonie, you wouldnt know if it was in fact you that was the farthest removed (from reality). You

3. As I have suggested what you call reality I say is a delusion created by seeing the world as divided into opposites that are the creation of fear. To the extent I share your realities is the degree to which I have the same disease

 

[Pens1566]

Ok I guess I missed the news today then cause that would suggest you all out practicing your beliefs right now and more shit would be on fire than not?

Sarcasm aside ... I just don't believe in outright dismissing the possibility that our current political climate leads to widespread partisan violence of some sort. The speed at which our entire system has degraded into what would have been (~10yrs or so ago) a rejected idea for another season of veep should be completely alarming to anyone that is paying attention. Hell, the last 8 months have been a hyper accelerated continuation.

And fascist dictatorships have a tendency to not just resolve themselves without something along the lines of external war or internal violence.

For the record, I'm doing what I can as of now, and preparing in numerous ways for what is to come.

 

[cytg111]

Sarcasm aside ... I just don't believe in outright dismissing the possibility that our current political climate leads to widespread partisan violence of some sort. The speed at which our entire system has degraded into what would have been (~10yrs or so ago) a rejected idea for another season of veep should be completely alarming to anyone that is paying attention. Hell, the last 8 months have been a hyper accelerated continuation.

And fascist dictatorships have a tendency to not just resolve themselves without something along the lines of external war or internal violence.

For the record, I'm doing what I can as of now, and preparing in numerous ways for what is to come.

I get that, I guess the argument is over whether the last inflection point is behind or ahead, if what comes next, violence, is inevitable or not.
I see what for example Newsom is doing and think it may work for 2026, and if by miracle you take 2028 there is a chance that the SC is fired and all this shit is undone... Fox shut down etc. I dont know if you had enough hardships at this point to go at it like that though

 

[dank69]

The Buddha practiced a spiritual path of self mortification designed to break ego attachment to the pleasures of the body and ran out of energy half way crossing a river. He was almost dead. Mid stream he recovered sufficiently to make it to the other side. There he sat under the Bo tree, his deciles aware of his transcendence and dying for him to tell then the nature of the truth he had found. He told them, let’s eat.

The uncared for born child you feel for is you. Only you can care for yourself now. To focus your anger at those who are incapable of loving care is your own contempt for yourself. They matter to you as a way not to count yourself. Charity begins at home.

I don't care for any unborn child except for the two I have when they were still unborn. My only care is for the women who care about their own unborn children.

 

[Jaskalas]

I get that, I guess the argument is over whether the last inflection point is behind or ahead, if what comes next, violence, is inevitable or not.
I see what for example Newsom is doing and think it may work for 2026, and if by miracle you take 2028 there is a chance that the SC is fired and all this shit is undone... Fox shut down etc. I dont know if you had enough hardships at this point to go at it like that though

I wonder, if elections are still held and not fixed like Russia or Saddam's Iraq.
If Democrats attain some power and the Presidency....
Can we at least agree that, if we elect any standard politician, that we're already cooked?

In retrospect, it is pretty easy to see that Joe Biden was not up to the task. He needed to lock Trump up and throw away the key. We needed a boot to the neck of MAGA. Their media needed to be forcibly shut down. Twitter needed to be seized by the government before Elon was allowed to touch it. If we even come close to power, we need to fight fire with fire. To wage a non violent war against normalcy to shove things in our direction.

We cannot go back. We have to press forward instead. It is going to take a leader who understands that. And enough of the party to endorse this fight.

 

[cytg111]

I wonder, if elections are still held and not fixed like Russia or Saddam's Iraq.
If Democrats attain some power and the Presidency....
Can we at least agree that, if we elect any standard politician, that we're already cooked?

In retrospect, it is pretty easy to see that Joe Biden was not up to the task. He needed to lock Trump up and throw away the key. We needed a boot to the neck of MAGA. Their media needed to be forcibly shut down. Twitter needed to be seized by the government before Elon was allowed to touch it. If we even come close to power, we need to fight fire with fire. To wage a non violent war against normalcy to shove things in our direction.

We cannot go back. We have to press forward instead. It is going to take a leader who understands that. And enough of the party to endorse this fight.

100%. And it should be on the ballot "Take America Back Again". On Elon, you would have to naturalize all his businesses and deport him to South Africa... Send a message to the rest of the Thiels that government is for the people and not your personal play thing.
The hardest candidate I see right now is Gavin but fuck if he is up to THAT task.

And yea, Biden fucked you over with Garland that fucked you over cause these idiots keeps playing by the old rules. Biden being like "Going back to centrist and working across the isle" ... holy fuck talk about not reading the room.

 

[Moonbeam]

100%. And it should be on the ballot "Take America Back Again". On Elon, you would have to naturalize all his businesses and deport him to South Africa... Send a message to the rest of the Thiels that government is for the people and not your personal play thing.
The hardest candidate I see right now is Gavin but fuck if he is up to THAT task.

And yea, Biden fucked you over with Garland that fucked you over cause these idiots keeps playing by the old rules. Biden being like "Going back to centrist and working across the isle" ... holy fuck talk about not reading the room.

At the critical time to stop Trump from being elected Democrats were praying he would win the Republican primary. How can you blame Biden for not reading the room. Only voices in the wilderness were reading the room and could get very few to even listen. Had people even the vaguest notion of the characteristics of personality created by self hate they would have known his appeal would be enormous. I tried to tell people here of his talent and was laughed out of the room. And you don't get it now much better than you did then.

I would suggest that if you want to have some say in the future it might be useful to study what happens to children who are able to complete a tantrum event without being beaten to death. I think that would be a single individual example of what we are witnessing, an outbreak of mass psychosis where the containing force of fear of consequence breaks and the repressed hatred erupts into time to get even.

 

[cytg111]

At the critical time to stop Trump from being elected Democrats were praying he would win the Republican primary. How can you blame Biden for not reading the room. Only voices in the wilderness were reading the room and could get very few to even listen. Had people even the vaguest notion of the characteristics of personality created by self hate they would have known his appeal would be enormous. I tried to tell people here of his talent and was laughed out of the room. And you don't get it now much better than you did then.

I would suggest that if you want to have some say in the future it might be useful to study what happens to children who are able to complete a tantrum event without being beaten to death. I think that would be a single individual example of what we are witnessing, an outbreak of mass psychosis where the containing force of fear of consequence breaks and the repressed hatred erupts into time to get even.

Bla bla bla. He saw Trump assimilate what was left of the GOP in those four years, everyone saw the first term. I can blame Biden for being a centrist democrat sucking on that donor money promising stalemates in return. I would suggest you take your own suggestion, had you already done that this would be moot. Bye.

 

[Moonbeam]

Bla bla bla. He saw Trump assimilate what was left of the GOP in those four years, everyone saw the first term. I can blame Biden for being a centrist democrat sucking on that donor money promising stalemates in return. I would suggest you take your own suggestion, had you already done that this would be moot. Bye.

Haha! Of course you can blame Biden. What you can't do is muster the introspective awareness to understand that it's not Biden that is to blame. There is no such thing as deserved blame for people who are asleep. You are not to blame for blaming anybody and everything because your fear of self knowing isn't your fault. You had to become that way to survive as a child and to bury the truth of it. You poor poor child, you did what you had to do to survive. To wake up is to feel it all over again. But it would set you free.

 

[Moonbeam]

I don't care for any unborn child except for the two I have when they were still unborn. My only care is for the women who care about their own unborn children.

Not sure how we got here as I was speaking generally with no thoughts about unborn children so I don’t have much to say other than the business of not caring. People use the expression, I don’t care to indicate they withhold love in an attempt to create the impression that what they don’t care about deserves not to be cared about. You have to have suffered that implication of you yourself being told you are beneath caring to be able to feel any satisfaction in such revenge.

You have to have real self love to care. The joy of being expresses itself in that it is a state of compassion for everything. That includes unborn children not not blowing up abortion clinics.

 

[cytg111]

Haha! Of course you can blame Biden. What you can't do is muster the introspective awareness to understand that it's not Biden that is to blame. There is no such thing as deserved blame for people who are asleep. You are not to blame for blaming anybody and everything because your fear of self knowing isn't your fault. You had to become that way to survive as a child and to bury the truth of it. You poor poor child, you did what you had to do to survive. To wake up is to feel it all over again. But it would set you free.

And now you're blaming me cause you once again fail to follow your own scripture. Why oh why moonie wont you break this cycle of self hate?

I really just think you're too old to grasp the concepts here.

 

[Moonbeam]

And now you're blaming me cause you once again fail to follow your own scripture. Why oh why moonie wont you break this cycle of self hate?

I really just think you're too old to grasp the concepts here.

Perhaps you are just too childish to be able to think. The post in which you claim I blameyoy for something explicetly says you sre not to blame for anything.