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Hypothetical question: If suicide is illegal, why isn't abortion?

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Dari

Lifer
You are not allow to kill yourself, why are you allowed to kill unborn? I ask, without an opinion on the matter, because the main advocacy for abortion rights is so that a woman can have the right to choose what to do with her body. However, if we are not allow to kill ourselves what makes abortion such a cut and dry case for some?
 
I nominate this for stupidest thread of the century if you really think this will be a logical discussion and not a flamewar.

It's actually very simple. Without getting into my opinions on the subject, those that support legal abortions do not consider a zygote/fetus to be a human, and therefore, it is not murder.

Also, are you seriously dumb enough to think it's a "cut and dry case"? Have you ever watched a political debate?

edit: also, why is your point of reference suicide? Most people would go to murder as being a more apt comparison since abortion is much more akin to killing another person than yourself. I get the whole "right to choose/its my body why can't I have an abortion or kill myself" thing you're going for, but wow. I stand by my first statement (dumbest thread of the century).
 
the term self applies here. as well as brings up the old argument of "when do you become a person? at conception, or at birth?" personally, before 3 months in the oven i dont consider it more than a part of the mother, subject to the same scrutiny as any other piece of her. if she wants it lopped off, thats her deal. if its my future offspring, i want a say in it as well.

im just sayin.
 
i believe that there is a debate on whether or not the fetus is an actual being at certain stages

a little late with my impute 🙂
 
Every Sperm Is Sacred


Also, attempted suicide should not be illegal. Christian extremists have just succeeded in imposing their version of sharia law on the rest of us in this case.


Go ahead and vote for Palin though if you think rape and incest victims should be forced to bear their rapist's child.
 
Originally posted by: Deeko
I nominate this for stupidest thread of the century if you really think this will be a logical discussion and not a flamewar.

It's actually very simple. Without getting into my opinions on the subject, those that support legal abortions do not consider a zygote/fetus to be a human, and therefore, it is not murder.

Also, are you seriously dumb enough to think it's a "cut and dry case"? Have you ever watched a political debate?
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I qualified my statement so try reading it again. And there is no instantaneous time when a zygote/fetus turns into a human, it always is so that argument doesn't make much sense. But you're diverting the topic because I'm comparing two events that deals directly with a woman's choice: suicide and abortion. Either they both should be illegal or legal.
 
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Deeko
I nominate this for stupidest thread of the century if you really think this will be a logical discussion and not a flamewar.

It's actually very simple. Without getting into my opinions on the subject, those that support legal abortions do not consider a zygote/fetus to be a human, and therefore, it is not murder.

Also, are you seriously dumb enough to think it's a "cut and dry case"? Have you ever watched a political debate?
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I qualified my statement so try reading it again. And there is no instantaneous time when a zygote/fetus turns into a human, it always is so that argument doesn't make much sense. But you're diverting the topic because I'm comparing two events that deals directly with a woman's choice: suicide and abortion. Either they both should be illegal or legal.
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haha no. You're wrong. That's really all I have to say.
 
Originally posted by: effowe
Duh, because fetus' aren't people.
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If a law here in CO passes, it will make the word "person" mean from fertilization, that's a person.

Should be interesting.
 
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Deeko
I nominate this for stupidest thread of the century if you really think this will be a logical discussion and not a flamewar.

It's actually very simple. Without getting into my opinions on the subject, those that support legal abortions do not consider a zygote/fetus to be a human, and therefore, it is not murder.

Also, are you seriously dumb enough to think it's a "cut and dry case"? Have you ever watched a political debate?
Click to expand...

I qualified my statement so try reading it again. And there is no instantaneous time when a zygote/fetus turns into a human, it always is so that argument doesn't make much sense. But you're diverting the topic because I'm comparing two events that deals directly with a woman's choice: suicide and abortion. Either they both should be illegal or legal.
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haha no. You're wrong. That's really all I have to say.
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Thanks. Bye.
 
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Deeko
I nominate this for stupidest thread of the century if you really think this will be a logical discussion and not a flamewar.

It's actually very simple. Without getting into my opinions on the subject, those that support legal abortions do not consider a zygote/fetus to be a human, and therefore, it is not murder.

Also, are you seriously dumb enough to think it's a "cut and dry case"? Have you ever watched a political debate?
Click to expand...

I qualified my statement so try reading it again. And there is no instantaneous time when a zygote/fetus turns into a human, it always is so that argument doesn't make much sense. But you're diverting the topic because I'm comparing two events that deals directly with a woman's choice: suicide and abortion. Either they both should be illegal or legal.
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haha no. You're wrong. That's really all I have to say.
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Thanks. Bye.
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Thanks for playing! It was a cute try.
 
Who says you are not allowed to kill yourself? That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

"I want to kill myself, but it's illegal so I won't"

 
Originally posted by: Oyeve
Who says you are not allowed to kill yourself? That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

"I want to kill myself, but it's illegal so I won't"
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The law says so. That can have huge implications as far as insurance is concerned. Similarily, a woman that chooses abortion leaves the father with no choice in the matter, which is odd considering he was a partner in the creation of the child.
 
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Deeko
I nominate this for stupidest thread of the century if you really think this will be a logical discussion and not a flamewar.

It's actually very simple. Without getting into my opinions on the subject, those that support legal abortions do not consider a zygote/fetus to be a human, and therefore, it is not murder.

Also, are you seriously dumb enough to think it's a "cut and dry case"? Have you ever watched a political debate?
Click to expand...

I qualified my statement so try reading it again. And there is no instantaneous time when a zygote/fetus turns into a human, it always is so that argument doesn't make much sense. But you're diverting the topic because I'm comparing two events that deals directly with a woman's choice: suicide and abortion. Either they both should be illegal or legal.
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haha no. You're wrong. That's really all I have to say.
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Thanks. Bye.
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Thanks for playing! It was a cute try.
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You're more than welcome to leave.
 
Originally posted by: Oyeve
Who says you are not allowed to kill yourself? That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

"I want to kill myself, but it's illegal so I won't"
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this.
 
Originally posted by: hanoverphist
Originally posted by: OdiN
Originally posted by: effowe
Duh, because fetus' aren't people.
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If a law here in CO passes, it will make the word "person" mean from fertilization, that's a person.

Should be interesting.
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will that change the birth date?
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IIRC, in China there are two: the day of conception and the day of birth.
 
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: hanoverphist
Originally posted by: OdiN
Originally posted by: effowe
Duh, because fetus' aren't people.
Click to expand...

If a law here in CO passes, it will make the word "person" mean from fertilization, that's a person.

Should be interesting.
Click to expand...

will that change the birth date?
Click to expand...

IIRC, in China there are two: the day of conception and the day of birth.
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wrong. they have 2, one in Lunar calender one in Georgian.
 
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