Hydroxycut - anyone used the caffeine free kind?

[Alienwho]

Why do people say that the EC stack are so cheap? Everywhere I look a bottle of like 30 E capsules are like $25, plus another $25 for C capsules. I can get lipo 6 at BB.com for $27 which would be pretty much the exact amount I want. It turns out being like half the price of the EC stack. I swear the remaining places must be seriously jacking up their prices because it's so hard to find now.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: purbeast0
I don't know anything about these stacks. I just have seenthe ones that are 1 pill and you take dosages of them.

SVT you know anything about this EC stack that Allenwho is talking about?

Also what are the pros/cons of a stimulant vs. a non-stimulant ?

I'm kind of like Allenwho in the fact that I'll only be cutting for a few months.

Yes the EC stack is the ECA stack without aspirin.

Stimulants will help speed up your matabolism and also give you the energy you cannot get from food.

Most people only do cut for a few months.

 

[Alienwho]

SVT Cobra: If I get Lipo 6, do you recommend I get the original formula or the new formula? I'm not sure what the difference is. Link

 

[shortspanishguy]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
Best fat burner's out there besides DNP or ECA stacks?


Stimulant: Lipo 6, gugglestrones are nothing to worry about when you are cutting, you are going to lose some muscle anyway
Another Stimulant MAN Scorch (thermogenic if you want to go that route)

Non Stimulant: Designer Nutrition's Melting Point

BTW sesimen does not really do anything by itself it is better to be stacked with something.

A new product is also Dialene which looks pretty good.

Are you forgetting Clen/T3?

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: Alienwho
Why do people say that the EC stack are so cheap? Everywhere I look a bottle of like 30 E capsules are like $25, plus another $25 for C capsules. I can get lipo 6 at BB.com for $27 which would be pretty much the exact amount I want. It turns out being like half the price of the EC stack. I swear the remaining places must be seriously jacking up their prices because it's so hard to find now.

You mentioned you are holding off on the Lipo-6 because of some stuff it contains. What is so bad about it that made you hestitate using it?

 

[mzkhadir]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: Alienwho
Why do people say that the EC stack are so cheap? Everywhere I look a bottle of like 30 E capsules are like $25, plus another $25 for C capsules. I can get lipo 6 at BB.com for $27 which would be pretty much the exact amount I want. It turns out being like half the price of the EC stack. I swear the remaining places must be seriously jacking up their prices because it's so hard to find now.

You mentioned you are holding off on the Lipo-6 because of some stuff it contains. What is so bad about it that made you hestitate using it?

http://www.viruz.com/my-second-lipo-6-review/

review of lipo 6

 

[Alienwho]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: Alienwho
Why do people say that the EC stack are so cheap? Everywhere I look a bottle of like 30 E capsules are like $25, plus another $25 for C capsules. I can get lipo 6 at BB.com for $27 which would be pretty much the exact amount I want. It turns out being like half the price of the EC stack. I swear the remaining places must be seriously jacking up their prices because it's so hard to find now.

You mentioned you are holding off on the Lipo-6 because of some stuff it contains. What is so bad about it that made you hestitate using it?

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=466547

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=622320

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=700734

It seems like most people are either heavily against it or think it's a myth and is no big deal.

 

[jlbenedict]

Originally posted by: Alienwho
Why do people say that the EC stack are so cheap? Everywhere I look a bottle of like 30 E capsules are like $25, plus another $25 for C capsules. I can get lipo 6 at BB.com for $27 which would be pretty much the exact amount I want. It turns out being like half the price of the EC stack. I swear the remaining places must be seriously jacking up their prices because it's so hard to find now.

damn.. everyone must be jacking them up now..

I know last year I was getting Vasopro for less than $10 a bottle..

Gotta love the FDA

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: shortspanishguy

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
Best fat burner's out there besides DNP or ECA stacks?


Stimulant: Lipo 6, gugglestrones are nothing to worry about when you are cutting, you are going to lose some muscle anyway
Another Stimulant MAN Scorch (thermogenic if you want to go that route)

Non Stimulant: Designer Nutrition's Melting Point

BTW sesimen does not really do anything by itself it is better to be stacked with something.

A new product is also Dialene which looks pretty good.

Are you forgetting Clen/T3?

I'm not going to reccomend that for newbies.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: Alienwho
SVT Cobra: If I get Lipo 6, do you recommend I get the original formula or the new formula? I'm not sure what the difference is. Link

Time release, go with the new formula.

 

[shortspanishguy]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: shortspanishguy

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
Best fat burner's out there besides DNP or ECA stacks?


Stimulant: Lipo 6, gugglestrones are nothing to worry about when you are cutting, you are going to lose some muscle anyway
Another Stimulant MAN Scorch (thermogenic if you want to go that route)

Non Stimulant: Designer Nutrition's Melting Point

BTW sesimen does not really do anything by itself it is better to be stacked with something.

A new product is also Dialene which looks pretty good.

Are you forgetting Clen/T3?

I'm not going to reccomend that for newbies.

I just figured you forgot it since I saw DNP (Pretty hardcore) was mentioned.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: shortspanishguy

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
Best fat burner's out there besides DNP or ECA stacks?


Stimulant: Lipo 6, gugglestrones are nothing to worry about when you are cutting, you are going to lose some muscle anyway
Another Stimulant MAN Scorch (thermogenic if you want to go that route)

Non Stimulant: Designer Nutrition's Melting Point

BTW sesimen does not really do anything by itself it is better to be stacked with something.

A new product is also Dialene which looks pretty good.

Are you forgetting Clen/T3?

I'm not going to reccomend that for newbies.

Meh, I'm not a noob to lifting or dieting. I just haven't taken any of these "enhancers" since I was back in college.

Now if you mean a noob to these enhancers, then yah, i'm a noob

 

[shortspanishguy]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: shortspanishguy

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
Best fat burner's out there besides DNP or ECA stacks?


Stimulant: Lipo 6, gugglestrones are nothing to worry about when you are cutting, you are going to lose some muscle anyway
Another Stimulant MAN Scorch (thermogenic if you want to go that route)

Non Stimulant: Designer Nutrition's Melting Point

BTW sesimen does not really do anything by itself it is better to be stacked with something.

A new product is also Dialene which looks pretty good.

Are you forgetting Clen/T3?

I'm not going to reccomend that for newbies.

Meh, I'm not a noob to lifting or dieting. I just haven't taken any of these "enhancers" since I was back in college.

Now if you mean a noob to these enhancers, then yah, i'm a noob

I think clen/t3 is currently my fav. DNP can really hinder my job.

 

[WiseOldDude]

Weight loss is not obtained by putting something IN your mouth, but by keeping your mouth shut.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: WiseOldDude
Weight loss is not obtained by putting something IN your mouth, but by keeping your mouth shut.

yah there are so many calories in these pills :roll:

i'm not looking for an easy way out as I've already stated. i'm just looking for something that could enhance my results that I'm getting now, not to mention, taking some type of fat-burner helps you mentally as well.

 

[jiggahertz]

Originally posted by: jlbenedict

Originally posted by: Alienwho
Why do people say that the EC stack are so cheap? Everywhere I look a bottle of like 30 E capsules are like $25, plus another $25 for C capsules. I can get lipo 6 at BB.com for $27 which would be pretty much the exact amount I want. It turns out being like half the price of the EC stack. I swear the remaining places must be seriously jacking up their prices because it's so hard to find now.

damn.. everyone must be jacking them up now..

I know last year I was getting Vasopro for less than $10 a bottle..

Gotta love the FDA

Yeah, I purchased vasopro from 1fast400 last year pretty cheaply, but apparently they've stopped selling it. You can still find 48ct. 25mg caps for around $25 if you know where to look. Caffeine is cheap, so if you do a 25mg/200mg EC stack 1x a day it's $18/mo or $36/mo for 2x a day.

 

[crt1530]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: WiseOldDude
Weight loss is not obtained by putting something IN your mouth, but by keeping your mouth shut.

yah there are so many calories in these pills :roll:

i'm not looking for an easy way out as I've already stated. i'm just looking for something that could enhance my results that I'm getting now, not to mention, taking some type of fat-burner helps you mentally as well.

Helps you mentally? ECA stacks and other "fat burning" pills are thermogenic stimulants. Thermogenic means that they raise your body temperature and increase your basal metabolic rate which causes you to burn more calories day in and day out. If popping the pills makes you happy, do it. The pills will help some. That being said, you have the best possibility of making the biggest difference by dialing in your diet.

 

[CKent]

The key ingredient in fat burning supplements was ephedra. It's legal status is in a grey area now and many supplement manufacturers aren't including it for that reason. If the one you're looking at doesn't have ephedra, don't buy it, it isn't worth the capsules the supplement is encased in.

 

[jlbenedict]

Originally posted by: CKent
The key ingredient in fat burning supplements was ephedra. It's legal status is in a grey area now and many supplement manufacturers aren't including it for that reason. If the one you're looking at doesn't have ephedra, don't buy it, it isn't worth the capsules the supplement is encased in.

There is no grey or white area. Ephedrine is a banned substance. Happened back in 2004.

Since then, ways to get around it were to purchase something that was based from pure ephindrine; it was mainly for asthma : ephedrine HCL

Now recently, with Bush's war on drugs, and the crackdowns on meth production, any *ephidrine is banned; synephidrine based medicines are now relocated to behind the counter. If you so happen to get lucky, and find some Ephedrine HCL, it is probably packaged in blister packs, and you will only be able to purchase a small amount in any 30 day period. Might have to prove you have asthma.

So, with G.W. Bush's war on drugs, the FDA, and a few stupid people that OD'd on ephedrine, fat burners now suck today.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: crt1530

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: WiseOldDude
Weight loss is not obtained by putting something IN your mouth, but by keeping your mouth shut.

yah there are so many calories in these pills :roll:

i'm not looking for an easy way out as I've already stated. i'm just looking for something that could enhance my results that I'm getting now, not to mention, taking some type of fat-burner helps you mentally as well.

Helps you mentally? ECA stacks and other "fat burning" pills are thermogenic stimulants. Thermogenic means that they raise your body temperature and increase your basal metabolic rate which causes you to burn more calories day in and day out. If popping the pills makes you happy, do it. The pills will help some. That being said, you have the best possibility of making the biggest difference by dialing in your diet.

If you don't know what I mean by it'll help you "mentally" then you have never worked out so hard to the point that you feel like you are going to throw up or pass out.

In general when I do cardio I get bored and tired mentally before I get physically tired. That is why I listen to music, so that I keep my mind off of boredom and have something to do (listen to music) while I am running.

A lot of working out and the discipline it takes to eat properly comes from inside your head. Eating properly especially is a mental process. Taking these pills will help you in that sense.

Generally speaking if I am doing cardio, I will eat better. I don't want to run for 20 minutes and then go eat fast food because then it will be a big waste of running. And when I'm taking these pills, I will be more motivated to run because if I don't, these pills probably won't do much.

I dunno, in general, I find cardio/dieting to be a lot more about mental than I do about physically being able to do it. Taking these supplements helps that. It's just more motivation.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: jlbenedict

Originally posted by: CKent
The key ingredient in fat burning supplements was ephedra. It's legal status is in a grey area now and many supplement manufacturers aren't including it for that reason. If the one you're looking at doesn't have ephedra, don't buy it, it isn't worth the capsules the supplement is encased in.

There is no grey or white area. Ephedrine is a banned substance. Happened back in 2004.

Since then, ways to get around it were to purchase something that was based from pure ephindrine; it was mainly for asthma : ephedrine HCL

Now recently, with Bush's war on drugs, and the crackdowns on meth production, any *ephidrine is banned; synephidrine based medicines are now relocated to behind the counter. If you so happen to get lucky, and find some Ephedrine HCL, it is probably packaged in blister packs, and you will only be able to purchase a small amount in any 30 day period. Might have to prove you have asthma.

So, with G.W. Bush's war on drugs, the FDA, and a few stupid people that OD'd on ephedrine, fat burners now suck today.

Hrm, I had heard the ban had been lifted, resulting in the grey area status, but now that I think of it I don't remember any source, so it may have been hearsay, or even based on the ephedrine HCL loophole you mentioned.

This is Ronnie Ray-Gun's war on personal freedom though, Chimpy is just another fatcat repug holding up the tradition.

 

[shortspanishguy]

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: jlbenedict

Originally posted by: CKent
The key ingredient in fat burning supplements was ephedra. It's legal status is in a grey area now and many supplement manufacturers aren't including it for that reason. If the one you're looking at doesn't have ephedra, don't buy it, it isn't worth the capsules the supplement is encased in.

There is no grey or white area. Ephedrine is a banned substance. Happened back in 2004.

Since then, ways to get around it were to purchase something that was based from pure ephindrine; it was mainly for asthma : ephedrine HCL

Now recently, with Bush's war on drugs, and the crackdowns on meth production, any *ephidrine is banned; synephidrine based medicines are now relocated to behind the counter. If you so happen to get lucky, and find some Ephedrine HCL, it is probably packaged in blister packs, and you will only be able to purchase a small amount in any 30 day period. Might have to prove you have asthma.

So, with G.W. Bush's war on drugs, the FDA, and a few stupid people that OD'd on ephedrine, fat burners now suck today.

Hrm, I had heard the ban had been lifted, resulting in the grey area status, but now that I think of it I don't remember any source, so it may have been hearsay, or even based on the ephedrine HCL loophole you mentioned.

This is Ronnie Ray-Gun's war on personal freedom though, Chimpy is just another fatcat repug holding up the tradition.

I think the ban was lifted and then placed back into effect. Very frustrating.

 

[crt1530]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: crt1530

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: WiseOldDude
Weight loss is not obtained by putting something IN your mouth, but by keeping your mouth shut.

yah there are so many calories in these pills :roll:

i'm not looking for an easy way out as I've already stated. i'm just looking for something that could enhance my results that I'm getting now, not to mention, taking some type of fat-burner helps you mentally as well.

Helps you mentally? ECA stacks and other "fat burning" pills are thermogenic stimulants. Thermogenic means that they raise your body temperature and increase your basal metabolic rate which causes you to burn more calories day in and day out. If popping the pills makes you happy, do it. The pills will help some. That being said, you have the best possibility of making the biggest difference by dialing in your diet.

If you don't know what I mean by it'll help you "mentally" then you have never worked out so hard to the point that you feel like you are going to throw up or pass out.

In general when I do cardio I get bored and tired mentally before I get physically tired. That is why I listen to music, so that I keep my mind off of boredom and have something to do (listen to music) while I am running.

A lot of working out and the discipline it takes to eat properly comes from inside your head. Eating properly especially is a mental process. Taking these pills will help you in that sense.

Generally speaking if I am doing cardio, I will eat better. I don't want to run for 20 minutes and then go eat fast food because then it will be a big waste of running. And when I'm taking these pills, I will be more motivated to run because if I don't, these pills probably won't do much.

I dunno, in general, I find cardio/dieting to be a lot more about mental than I do about physically being able to do it. Taking these supplements helps that. It's just more motivation.

I wasn't sure if you were referring to the enhanced mental acuity and focus people experience from stimulants or the placebo effect that popping pills has on people. The best and most effective kind of motivation comes from within, not from a bottle of overpriced and over marketed weak ass stimulants. Fat burners are stimulants. If you don't like how caffeine affects you, why do you think any effective fat burner will be any better? Buy a container of multi vitamins. Tell yourself that they are your "special fat burning pills." You'll know they're working when your pee turns a dark shade of yellow.

I have vomited on multiple occasions from working out. I avoid it as much as possible. It's gross and a waste of calories that could have contributed to muscle growth.

 

[shortspanishguy]

Originally posted by: crt1530

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: crt1530

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: WiseOldDude
Weight loss is not obtained by putting something IN your mouth, but by keeping your mouth shut.

yah there are so many calories in these pills :roll:

i'm not looking for an easy way out as I've already stated. i'm just looking for something that could enhance my results that I'm getting now, not to mention, taking some type of fat-burner helps you mentally as well.

Helps you mentally? ECA stacks and other "fat burning" pills are thermogenic stimulants. Thermogenic means that they raise your body temperature and increase your basal metabolic rate which causes you to burn more calories day in and day out. If popping the pills makes you happy, do it. The pills will help some. That being said, you have the best possibility of making the biggest difference by dialing in your diet.

If you don't know what I mean by it'll help you "mentally" then you have never worked out so hard to the point that you feel like you are going to throw up or pass out.

In general when I do cardio I get bored and tired mentally before I get physically tired. That is why I listen to music, so that I keep my mind off of boredom and have something to do (listen to music) while I am running.

A lot of working out and the discipline it takes to eat properly comes from inside your head. Eating properly especially is a mental process. Taking these pills will help you in that sense.

Generally speaking if I am doing cardio, I will eat better. I don't want to run for 20 minutes and then go eat fast food because then it will be a big waste of running. And when I'm taking these pills, I will be more motivated to run because if I don't, these pills probably won't do much.

I dunno, in general, I find cardio/dieting to be a lot more about mental than I do about physically being able to do it. Taking these supplements helps that. It's just more motivation.

I wasn't sure if you were referring to the enhanced mental acuity and focus people experience from stimulants or the placebo effect that popping pills has on people. The best and most effective kind of motivation comes from within, not from a bottle of overpriced and over marketed weak ass stimulants. Fat burners are stimulants. If you don't like how caffeine affects you, why do you think any effective fat burner will be any better? Buy a container of multi vitamins. Tell yourself that they are your "special fat burning pills." You'll know they're working when your pee turns a dark shade of yellow.

I have vomited on multiple occasions from working out. I avoid it as much as possible. It's gross and a waste of calories that could have contributed to muscle growth.

Not everything is garbage. DNP certainly works but is def not a conventional method. Clen/T3 works as well but once again you are breaking the law and there are health risks associated.

 

[crt1530]

Originally posted by: shortspanishguy

Originally posted by: crt1530

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: crt1530

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: WiseOldDude
Weight loss is not obtained by putting something IN your mouth, but by keeping your mouth shut.

yah there are so many calories in these pills :roll:

i'm not looking for an easy way out as I've already stated. i'm just looking for something that could enhance my results that I'm getting now, not to mention, taking some type of fat-burner helps you mentally as well.

Helps you mentally? ECA stacks and other "fat burning" pills are thermogenic stimulants. Thermogenic means that they raise your body temperature and increase your basal metabolic rate which causes you to burn more calories day in and day out. If popping the pills makes you happy, do it. The pills will help some. That being said, you have the best possibility of making the biggest difference by dialing in your diet.

If you don't know what I mean by it'll help you "mentally" then you have never worked out so hard to the point that you feel like you are going to throw up or pass out.

In general when I do cardio I get bored and tired mentally before I get physically tired. That is why I listen to music, so that I keep my mind off of boredom and have something to do (listen to music) while I am running.

A lot of working out and the discipline it takes to eat properly comes from inside your head. Eating properly especially is a mental process. Taking these pills will help you in that sense.

Generally speaking if I am doing cardio, I will eat better. I don't want to run for 20 minutes and then go eat fast food because then it will be a big waste of running. And when I'm taking these pills, I will be more motivated to run because if I don't, these pills probably won't do much.

I dunno, in general, I find cardio/dieting to be a lot more about mental than I do about physically being able to do it. Taking these supplements helps that. It's just more motivation.

I wasn't sure if you were referring to the enhanced mental acuity and focus people experience from stimulants or the placebo effect that popping pills has on people. The best and most effective kind of motivation comes from within, not from a bottle of overpriced and over marketed weak ass stimulants. Fat burners are stimulants. If you don't like how caffeine affects you, why do you think any effective fat burner will be any better? Buy a container of multi vitamins. Tell yourself that they are your "special fat burning pills." You'll know they're working when your pee turns a dark shade of yellow.

I have vomited on multiple occasions from working out. I avoid it as much as possible. It's gross and a waste of calories that could have contributed to muscle growth.

Not everything is garbage. DNP certainly works but is def not a conventional method. Clen/T3 works as well but once again you are breaking the law and there are health risks associated.

Dinitrophenol is really not suitable for human consumption and clenbuterol is a controlled substance. They really aren't germane to this discussion. They are both effective and both have significant drawbacks. We are talking about OTC supplements which are all comprised of weak stimulants. A legal supplement without ephedra or caffeine is unlikely to be effective.