Hydroxycut - anyone used the caffeine free kind?

[Geocentricity]

Dieting and exercise is all about will power.

If you need pills to keep your will power up, go ahead. But I'd rather not risk suffering from an adverse side-effect that isn't labeled on the drug. I've seen friends take some of that crap and end up with messed up metabolisms and losing way too much weight - they lost weight and never could gain it back.

 

[shortspanishguy]

Originally posted by: crt1530

Originally posted by: shortspanishguy

Originally posted by: crt1530

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: crt1530

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: WiseOldDude
Weight loss is not obtained by putting something IN your mouth, but by keeping your mouth shut.

yah there are so many calories in these pills :roll:

i'm not looking for an easy way out as I've already stated. i'm just looking for something that could enhance my results that I'm getting now, not to mention, taking some type of fat-burner helps you mentally as well.

Helps you mentally? ECA stacks and other "fat burning" pills are thermogenic stimulants. Thermogenic means that they raise your body temperature and increase your basal metabolic rate which causes you to burn more calories day in and day out. If popping the pills makes you happy, do it. The pills will help some. That being said, you have the best possibility of making the biggest difference by dialing in your diet.

If you don't know what I mean by it'll help you "mentally" then you have never worked out so hard to the point that you feel like you are going to throw up or pass out.

In general when I do cardio I get bored and tired mentally before I get physically tired. That is why I listen to music, so that I keep my mind off of boredom and have something to do (listen to music) while I am running.

A lot of working out and the discipline it takes to eat properly comes from inside your head. Eating properly especially is a mental process. Taking these pills will help you in that sense.

Generally speaking if I am doing cardio, I will eat better. I don't want to run for 20 minutes and then go eat fast food because then it will be a big waste of running. And when I'm taking these pills, I will be more motivated to run because if I don't, these pills probably won't do much.

I dunno, in general, I find cardio/dieting to be a lot more about mental than I do about physically being able to do it. Taking these supplements helps that. It's just more motivation.

I wasn't sure if you were referring to the enhanced mental acuity and focus people experience from stimulants or the placebo effect that popping pills has on people. The best and most effective kind of motivation comes from within, not from a bottle of overpriced and over marketed weak ass stimulants. Fat burners are stimulants. If you don't like how caffeine affects you, why do you think any effective fat burner will be any better? Buy a container of multi vitamins. Tell yourself that they are your "special fat burning pills." You'll know they're working when your pee turns a dark shade of yellow.

I have vomited on multiple occasions from working out. I avoid it as much as possible. It's gross and a waste of calories that could have contributed to muscle growth.

Not everything is garbage. DNP certainly works but is def not a conventional method. Clen/T3 works as well but once again you are breaking the law and there are health risks associated.

Dinitrophenol is really not suitable for human consumption and clenbuterol is a controlled substance. They really aren't germane to this discussion. They are both effective and both have significant drawbacks. We are talking about OTC supplements which are all comprised of weak stimulants. A legal supplement without ephedra or caffeine is unlikely to be effective.

I agree. I wasn't defending any certain "weak" stimulant. I just didn't want anyone reading this to put everything mentioned in the non-effective category.

Oh, and I disagree with your first 8 words

 

[purbeast0]

meh so I ordered that Lypo-6 stuff and a bunch of protein. I decided I'll give it a try.

Here are 2 pics I have. 1 is my before shot (about a month ago) and the 2nd one is the from last Friday. I took that first one right before I was going to start doing cardio and eating well. In that pic I'm about 5'11, 195lbs. I really have no clue wtf I weigh right now. Also the lighting in the first pic doesn't really help heh, as it looks like I have absolutely no curves.

http://www.drewscrib.net/cycle/starting.jpg

http://www.drewscrib.net/cycle/1month.jpg

Once I get these Lypo-6 pills I'm going to take a pic before I start em, then a pic after 1 month and I'll see how they work.

 

[JS80]

that's the whole point...shot of caffeine

 

[crt1530]

Originally posted by: shortspanishguy

Originally posted by: crt1530

Originally posted by: shortspanishguy

Originally posted by: crt1530

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: crt1530

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: WiseOldDude
Weight loss is not obtained by putting something IN your mouth, but by keeping your mouth shut.

yah there are so many calories in these pills :roll:

i'm not looking for an easy way out as I've already stated. i'm just looking for something that could enhance my results that I'm getting now, not to mention, taking some type of fat-burner helps you mentally as well.

Helps you mentally? ECA stacks and other "fat burning" pills are thermogenic stimulants. Thermogenic means that they raise your body temperature and increase your basal metabolic rate which causes you to burn more calories day in and day out. If popping the pills makes you happy, do it. The pills will help some. That being said, you have the best possibility of making the biggest difference by dialing in your diet.

If you don't know what I mean by it'll help you "mentally" then you have never worked out so hard to the point that you feel like you are going to throw up or pass out.

In general when I do cardio I get bored and tired mentally before I get physically tired. That is why I listen to music, so that I keep my mind off of boredom and have something to do (listen to music) while I am running.

A lot of working out and the discipline it takes to eat properly comes from inside your head. Eating properly especially is a mental process. Taking these pills will help you in that sense.

Generally speaking if I am doing cardio, I will eat better. I don't want to run for 20 minutes and then go eat fast food because then it will be a big waste of running. And when I'm taking these pills, I will be more motivated to run because if I don't, these pills probably won't do much.

I dunno, in general, I find cardio/dieting to be a lot more about mental than I do about physically being able to do it. Taking these supplements helps that. It's just more motivation.

I wasn't sure if you were referring to the enhanced mental acuity and focus people experience from stimulants or the placebo effect that popping pills has on people. The best and most effective kind of motivation comes from within, not from a bottle of overpriced and over marketed weak ass stimulants. Fat burners are stimulants. If you don't like how caffeine affects you, why do you think any effective fat burner will be any better? Buy a container of multi vitamins. Tell yourself that they are your "special fat burning pills." You'll know they're working when your pee turns a dark shade of yellow.

I have vomited on multiple occasions from working out. I avoid it as much as possible. It's gross and a waste of calories that could have contributed to muscle growth.

Not everything is garbage. DNP certainly works but is def not a conventional method. Clen/T3 works as well but once again you are breaking the law and there are health risks associated.

Dinitrophenol is really not suitable for human consumption and clenbuterol is a controlled substance. They really aren't germane to this discussion. They are both effective and both have significant drawbacks. We are talking about OTC supplements which are all comprised of weak stimulants. A legal supplement without ephedra or caffeine is unlikely to be effective.

I agree. I wasn't defending any certain "weak" stimulant. I just didn't want anyone reading this to put everything mentioned in the non-effective category.

Oh, and I disagree with your first 8 words

If you choose to put chemicals in your body that have an MSDS data sheet, so be it. However, if you are willing to put that toxic crap in your body just to lose a little body fat, you need to get your head checked as you most definitely have bigger issues than a few too many pounds of pudge.

 

[Chrono]

i used lipo 6 for 2 months. it sucks.
hydroxycut worked alot better. counting calories works even better though.

 

[shortspanishguy]

Originally posted by: crt1530

Originally posted by: shortspanishguy

Originally posted by: crt1530

Originally posted by: shortspanishguy

Originally posted by: crt1530

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: crt1530

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: WiseOldDude
Weight loss is not obtained by putting something IN your mouth, but by keeping your mouth shut.

yah there are so many calories in these pills :roll:

i'm not looking for an easy way out as I've already stated. i'm just looking for something that could enhance my results that I'm getting now, not to mention, taking some type of fat-burner helps you mentally as well.

Helps you mentally? ECA stacks and other "fat burning" pills are thermogenic stimulants. Thermogenic means that they raise your body temperature and increase your basal metabolic rate which causes you to burn more calories day in and day out. If popping the pills makes you happy, do it. The pills will help some. That being said, you have the best possibility of making the biggest difference by dialing in your diet.

If you don't know what I mean by it'll help you "mentally" then you have never worked out so hard to the point that you feel like you are going to throw up or pass out.

In general when I do cardio I get bored and tired mentally before I get physically tired. That is why I listen to music, so that I keep my mind off of boredom and have something to do (listen to music) while I am running.

A lot of working out and the discipline it takes to eat properly comes from inside your head. Eating properly especially is a mental process. Taking these pills will help you in that sense.

Generally speaking if I am doing cardio, I will eat better. I don't want to run for 20 minutes and then go eat fast food because then it will be a big waste of running. And when I'm taking these pills, I will be more motivated to run because if I don't, these pills probably won't do much.

I dunno, in general, I find cardio/dieting to be a lot more about mental than I do about physically being able to do it. Taking these supplements helps that. It's just more motivation.

I wasn't sure if you were referring to the enhanced mental acuity and focus people experience from stimulants or the placebo effect that popping pills has on people. The best and most effective kind of motivation comes from within, not from a bottle of overpriced and over marketed weak ass stimulants. Fat burners are stimulants. If you don't like how caffeine affects you, why do you think any effective fat burner will be any better? Buy a container of multi vitamins. Tell yourself that they are your "special fat burning pills." You'll know they're working when your pee turns a dark shade of yellow.

I have vomited on multiple occasions from working out. I avoid it as much as possible. It's gross and a waste of calories that could have contributed to muscle growth.

Not everything is garbage. DNP certainly works but is def not a conventional method. Clen/T3 works as well but once again you are breaking the law and there are health risks associated.

Dinitrophenol is really not suitable for human consumption and clenbuterol is a controlled substance. They really aren't germane to this discussion. They are both effective and both have significant drawbacks. We are talking about OTC supplements which are all comprised of weak stimulants. A legal supplement without ephedra or caffeine is unlikely to be effective.

I agree. I wasn't defending any certain "weak" stimulant. I just didn't want anyone reading this to put everything mentioned in the non-effective category.

Oh, and I disagree with your first 8 words

If you choose to put chemicals in your body that have an MSDS data sheet, so be it. However, if you are willing to put that toxic crap in your body just to lose a little body fat, you need to get your head checked as you most definitely have bigger issues than a few too many pounds of pudge.

I guess you missed the next time I will use

 

[crt1530]

Gotcha. I've seen so many people on the internet spouting complete crap who were 100 percent serious that it's often hard to distinguish when people are being facetious. The winkey emoticon would've made it clearer. I suppose I'm not as adept at interpreting emoticon usage as I could be.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: crt1530
Gotcha. I've seen so many people on the internet spouting complete crap who were 100 percent serious that it's often hard to distinguish when people are being facetious. The winkey emoticon would've made it clearer. I suppose I'm not as adept at interpreting emoticon usage as I could be.

I agree with some stuff you made, but to call anyone who wants to use some type of fat-burner type pill someone who "has bigger issues than a few pounds of pudge" is pretty ignorant of you.

I lift and am trying to get cut because I like to set goals and accomplish them. I also like the discipline that it helps me get when I try to reach these goals. Lifting and trying to make changes to your body for positive image is something that I find fun now. It has nothign to do with "bigger issues" as you ignorantly assume.

 

[crt1530]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: crt1530
Gotcha. I've seen so many people on the internet spouting complete crap who were 100 percent serious that it's often hard to distinguish when people are being facetious. The winkey emoticon would've made it clearer. I suppose I'm not as adept at interpreting emoticon usage as I could be.

I agree with some stuff you made, but to call anyone who wants to use some type of fat-burner type pill someone who "has bigger issues than a few pounds of pudge" is pretty ignorant of you.

I lift and am trying to get cut because I like to set goals and accomplish them. I also like the discipline that it helps me get when I try to reach these goals. Lifting and trying to make changes to your body for positive image is something that I find fun now. It has nothign to do with "bigger issues" as you ignorantly assume.

That quote was referring to people who choose to use dinitrophenol (aka DNP). It is a chemical found in automobile exhaust and industrial waste sites and has its own MSDS data sheet. Anyone who puts that crap in their body has mental issues.

Ephedra (the main ingredient in Lipo6) is not even in the same league. Lipo6 has ephedra and caffeine without the aspirin. It will make you feel jittery and uneasy, might make sleep a little more difficult, and will raise your body temperature, but there really aren't any lasting negative effects. I don't think you're stupid for taking ECA stacks (or EC in this case). They are an excellent short cut to short term fat loss. The problem you run into is that in the long run, you are much better off learning how to manipulate your diet. It's like the old parable from the bible. Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime. Learning how to manipulate your diet will serve you the rest of your life (not to mention patience...it looks like you've already made some progress without the Lipo6).

 

[jiggahertz]

Originally posted by: crt1530

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: crt1530
Gotcha. I've seen so many people on the internet spouting complete crap who were 100 percent serious that it's often hard to distinguish when people are being facetious. The winkey emoticon would've made it clearer. I suppose I'm not as adept at interpreting emoticon usage as I could be.

I agree with some stuff you made, but to call anyone who wants to use some type of fat-burner type pill someone who "has bigger issues than a few pounds of pudge" is pretty ignorant of you.

I lift and am trying to get cut because I like to set goals and accomplish them. I also like the discipline that it helps me get when I try to reach these goals. Lifting and trying to make changes to your body for positive image is something that I find fun now. It has nothign to do with "bigger issues" as you ignorantly assume.

That quote was referring to people who choose to use dinitrophenol (aka DNP). It is a chemical found in automobile exhaust and industrial waste sites and has its own MSDS data sheet. Anyone who puts that crap in their body has mental issues.

Ephedra (the main ingredient in Lipo6) is not even in the same league. Lipo6 has ephedra and caffeine without the aspirin. It will make you feel jittery and uneasy, might make sleep a little more difficult, and will raise your body temperature, but there really aren't any lasting negative effects. I don't think you're stupid for taking ECA stacks (or EC in this case). They are an excellent short cut to short term fat loss. The problem you run into is that in the long run, you are much better off learning how to manipulate your diet. It's like the old parable from the bible. Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime. Learning how to manipulate your diet will serve you the rest of your life (not to mention patience...it looks like you've already made some progress without the Lipo6).

I'm not sure how true this is, but I remember reading on a weightlifting forum from one of the senior members that ephedra gives you ~2-3% metabolic boost and DNP is closer to %30.

 

[shortspanishguy]

Originally posted by: jiggahertz

Originally posted by: crt1530

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: crt1530
Gotcha. I've seen so many people on the internet spouting complete crap who were 100 percent serious that it's often hard to distinguish when people are being facetious. The winkey emoticon would've made it clearer. I suppose I'm not as adept at interpreting emoticon usage as I could be.

I agree with some stuff you made, but to call anyone who wants to use some type of fat-burner type pill someone who "has bigger issues than a few pounds of pudge" is pretty ignorant of you.

I lift and am trying to get cut because I like to set goals and accomplish them. I also like the discipline that it helps me get when I try to reach these goals. Lifting and trying to make changes to your body for positive image is something that I find fun now. It has nothign to do with "bigger issues" as you ignorantly assume.

That quote was referring to people who choose to use dinitrophenol (aka DNP). It is a chemical found in automobile exhaust and industrial waste sites and has its own MSDS data sheet. Anyone who puts that crap in their body has mental issues.

Ephedra (the main ingredient in Lipo6) is not even in the same league. Lipo6 has ephedra and caffeine without the aspirin. It will make you feel jittery and uneasy, might make sleep a little more difficult, and will raise your body temperature, but there really aren't any lasting negative effects. I don't think you're stupid for taking ECA stacks (or EC in this case). They are an excellent short cut to short term fat loss. The problem you run into is that in the long run, you are much better off learning how to manipulate your diet. It's like the old parable from the bible. Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime. Learning how to manipulate your diet will serve you the rest of your life (not to mention patience...it looks like you've already made some progress without the Lipo6).

I'm not sure how true this is, but I remember reading on a weightlifting forum from one of the senior members that ephedra gives you ~2-3% metabolic boost and DNP is closer to %30.

I am think he is saying Ephedra is not in the same league as DNP, which is true. I've never experienced anything like DNP before. Clen/T3 would be a close 2nd for me.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: crt1530

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: crt1530
Gotcha. I've seen so many people on the internet spouting complete crap who were 100 percent serious that it's often hard to distinguish when people are being facetious. The winkey emoticon would've made it clearer. I suppose I'm not as adept at interpreting emoticon usage as I could be.

I agree with some stuff you made, but to call anyone who wants to use some type of fat-burner type pill someone who "has bigger issues than a few pounds of pudge" is pretty ignorant of you.

I lift and am trying to get cut because I like to set goals and accomplish them. I also like the discipline that it helps me get when I try to reach these goals. Lifting and trying to make changes to your body for positive image is something that I find fun now. It has nothign to do with "bigger issues" as you ignorantly assume.

That quote was referring to people who choose to use dinitrophenol (aka DNP). It is a chemical found in automobile exhaust and industrial waste sites and has its own MSDS data sheet. Anyone who puts that crap in their body has mental issues.

Ephedra (the main ingredient in Lipo6) is not even in the same league. Lipo6 has ephedra and caffeine without the aspirin. It will make you feel jittery and uneasy, might make sleep a little more difficult, and will raise your body temperature, but there really aren't any lasting negative effects. I don't think you're stupid for taking ECA stacks (or EC in this case). They are an excellent short cut to short term fat loss. The problem you run into is that in the long run, you are much better off learning how to manipulate your diet. It's like the old parable from the bible. Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime. Learning how to manipulate your diet will serve you the rest of your life (not to mention patience...it looks like you've already made some progress without the Lipo6).

Okay fair enough. But I guess you missed the part where I said I'm merely adding these pills to my current diet/workout routines. I am not supplementing these pills in for my cardio sessions or anything. I don't plan on taking these pills and then instead of eating well going out and splurging.

I'm simply going to take a cycle of them to see what kind of effects they give me.

 

[crt1530]

I did not miss any parts of your post. If you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always got. If you lose weight through temporary means, the weight loss will be temporary. That's why people who go on diets always gain the weight back. There is nothing wrong with the diet. The diet works. They revert to their old ways as soon as they stop dieting. The only way to have long term success is to find a long term diet strategy that you can maintain indefinitely. It sounds like you're already moving in the right direction and are just trying to speed things along. I get it. I'm saying that in the long run, it's more effective to spend the time figuring out what does and does not work for you when it comes to diet and exercise without introducing random variables (i.e. ECA stacks).

 

[Alienwho]

Originally posted by: crt1530
I did not miss any parts of your post. If you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always got. If you lose weight through temporary means, the weight loss will be temporary. That's why people who go on diets always gain the weight back. There is nothing wrong with the diet. The diet works. They revert to their old ways as soon as they stop dieting. The only way to have long term success is to find a long term diet strategy that you can maintain indefinitely. It sounds like you're already moving in the right direction and are just trying to speed things along. I get it. I'm saying that in the long run, it's more effective to spend the time figuring out what does and does not work for you when it comes to diet and exercise without introducing random variables (i.e. ECA stacks).

No, you are missing a part of his posts.

Purbeast is probably in the same situation I am in. Winter is over, summer is coming, and if he's anything like me, his weight fluctuates 10 pounds or so seasonally. This summer I want to get more cut, rather than just dropping the regular 10 pounds or so that happens when summer rolls around. In order to get more cut, we're going to try something a little different. We know it won't last forever, BFD. I know the next time winter rolls around my body will go back into winter hibernation mode. There has been plenty of discussion about the knowledge of a good diet and working out with some cardio. I don't get WTF you're still trying to preach. You're talking about "long term success", and he mentions that he's been doing this for years. We're in it for the long term, we know what's going on.

I mean you're arguing with people who agree with you, but just want to try something a little different to see how it works.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: Alienwho

Originally posted by: crt1530
I did not miss any parts of your post. If you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always got. If you lose weight through temporary means, the weight loss will be temporary. That's why people who go on diets always gain the weight back. There is nothing wrong with the diet. The diet works. They revert to their old ways as soon as they stop dieting. The only way to have long term success is to find a long term diet strategy that you can maintain indefinitely. It sounds like you're already moving in the right direction and are just trying to speed things along. I get it. I'm saying that in the long run, it's more effective to spend the time figuring out what does and does not work for you when it comes to diet and exercise without introducing random variables (i.e. ECA stacks).

No, you are missing a part of his posts.

Purbeast is probably in the same situation I am in. Winter is over, summer is coming, and if he's anything like me, his weight fluctuates 10 pounds or so seasonally. This summer I want to get more cut, rather than just dropping the regular 10 pounds or so that happens when summer rolls around. In order to get more cut, we're going to try something a little different. We know it won't last forever, BFD. I know the next time winter rolls around my body will go back into winter hibernation mode. There has been plenty of discussion about the knowledge of a good diet and working out with some cardio. I don't get WTF you're still trying to preach. You're talking about "long term success", and he mentions that he's been doing this for years. We're in it for the long term, we know what's going on.

I mean you're arguing with people who agree with you, but just want to try something a little different to see how it works.

Yah come winter time, or more like September, I'm going to go back into bulking up mode and try to gain some more strength. My goal over the past bulking up phase was to rep 225lbs on the bench 8 times. And now I can do it consistantly, and since summer is around the corner, I'm going to lean up and get cut.

When September rolls back around, I think I'm going to try and get my bench up to repping 255lbs 8x and then stick with that. I'm very happy w/my size/strength/weight. I just want to get as cut as possible for the summer time and get my 8pack back like I used to have when I was in college.