What's sad is that there are people like this loser who justifies horrible oppression of people this way, and see nothing wrong with it. This guy is just like my bigot friend justifies genocide of the Jews by saying it helps control overpopulation or some stupid crap like that. It's people like these two who make anything "white" sound like it has a racist agenda.
What's really sad is that losers like you expect me to justify something that I had nothing to do with, that most of us alive today had nothing to do with. I think if you look into history of any culture there have been terrible things that happened to them in the past, but most don't walk around in some victim mode all their life because of what happened to their ancestors.
Guess what, buddy, I don't owe you jack. Not an apology, not a justification, not reparations. Nothing. Zilch. Nada. But since I am in a good mood, and it's friday, I'll give you a piece of advice. Move on. Live your own life, and stop whining about things that happened before you were born.
Guess what, buddy, I don't owe you jack. Not an apology, not a justification, not reparations. Nothing. Zilch. Nada. But since I am in a good mood, and it's friday, I'll give you a piece of advice. Move on. Live your own life, and stop whining about things that happened before you were born.
Originally posted by: her209
Hello, did you fail History in HS or something?
When has the "white" people not oppressed minorities in America? I guess you forgot about the Separate but Equal years, and don't believe in Equal Pay for Equal Work.
Funny that the article mentions being proud of your heritage's history.Yeah, be proud of your history of oppression.
Its more socially acceptable for minorities to have these types of clubs because OMG they are minorities. :Q
"white" people don't oppress minorities in America TODAY. If anything, minorities are given an unfair advantage. So minorities can have these types of clubs because they are minorities? That is quite possibly the dumbest statement I have ever heard. There is still racism in America, but the whites are the ones being oppressed. Ever heard of affirmative action????????
Originally posted by: xEDIT409
Originally posted by: minendo
Yes because whites are always guilty.
Not always. But their past actions dont give um a good rep now. Ya know? I mean, it's not like they're hated or anything... I can't describe it, but umm... yeah.
Here's a few thing thats white's have accomplished. Oh, and this list isnt just American whites.
-Brits controlling India/China
-Slavery n' Segregation (ofcourse)
-Jewing the Indians outta their land
Whites are only 50% responsible for slavery. Slavery exsisted before whites started buying and selling blacks from africa. Blacks rounded up, murdered kidnapped, and destroyed their own culture in Africa to make a buck, it wasnt whites going deep into africa to get slaves, it was blacks. To this day there are 28million slaves, by and large most of them are in Africa.
Indians were far from saints, they are also in part responsible.
Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: xEDIT409
Originally posted by: minendo
Yes because whites are always guilty.
Not always. But their past actions dont give um a good rep now. Ya know? I mean, it's not like they're hated or anything... I can't describe it, but umm... yeah.
Here's a few thing thats white's have accomplished. Oh, and this list isnt just American whites.
-Brits controlling India/China
-Slavery n' Segregation (ofcourse)
-Jewing the Indians outta their land
Whites are only 50% responsible for slavery. Slavery exsisted before whites started buying and selling blacks from africa. Blacks rounded up, murdered kidnapped, and destroyed their own culture in Africa to make a buck, it wasnt whites going deep into africa to get slaves, it was blacks. To this day there are 28million slaves, by and large most of them are in Africa.
Indians were far from saints, they are also in part responsible.
It's all a question of scale... world scale. :beer:
By your half-ass comment, it sounds like you think I'm black - I'm not black and I don't walk around in a victim mode...so I really don't see where you extrapolated from what I said to come up with that irrelevant "advice". My reply to you was regarding about your pathetic justifications for slavery. Don't try to sidestep that by trying to extract, out of nowhere, that I was was demanding an apology or consider myself a victim or any other BS you try to concoct.
I realize that in most cases, a comment on the internet cannot be used to judge the person as a whole. But by your one single comment on slavery being a blessing in disguise for the blacks, I can feel right in saying you are a piece of sh!t human being. The last sentence sums up what I wanted to say...justify your comment however you like, but now I'm done with you.
"Blacks in US should be thanking their lucky stars. Sure, whiteys got some labor out of their ancestors, and in the hindsight it was wrong, but had there not been slavery, they would be still sitting in West Africa eating each other."
Reality is not always PC.
Go ask how many US blacks would preffer their ancestors have not been brought over to the US? I said slavery was wrong, but to the slaves, not their current progeny in the US. The slaves did suffer, but their descendants of nowadays have benefitted from living in the US instead of West Africa. If you think they would have been better off living in Africa, why don't you immigrate there?
Go ask how many US blacks would preffer their ancestors have not been brought over to the US? I said slavery was wrong, but to the slaves, not their current progeny in the US. The slaves did suffer, but their descendants of nowadays have benefitted from living in the US instead of West Africa. If you think they would have been better off living in Africa, why don't you immigrate there?
Does it ever occur to you that without any exploitation from outside forces, African natons would have been better off? Egypt at one point was almost like the center of the world in terms of technology and advancement. Large supplies of gems and resources have come from Africa, these countries are poor today not because of low resources but by being exploited from European Mercantilism to the slave trade.
You make the argument that African Americans are better off now because of slavery and should be grateful. Let me start breeding your family lines like horses then, and later on I'll tell your descendants that what I did was part of the greater good/necessary evil. I'm sure you would appreciate it, after all your kids will be better off, and if they don't like I'll just ship them back to a country that I exploited the cr@p out of.
Please don't use the, "If you don't like it, get out" defense. I'm pretty sure a lot of ppl the South used that term during the Civil movement. Everyone that is American deserves the same equal rights to freedom and opportunities. If ppl don't like it, they do have the choice of advocating social change and protest. By advocating this mentality of leave if you don't like it, all your doing is stiffling social progress and free thought.
I believe people are inherently good, but lack awareness. Most people do not seek out to harm another, but will hurt others unintentionally. Thats how we arrived with what we have today. The ethnic clubs grew not to bring down the white man, but for members to actually take a break from the white person's world. If I look on the tv, most I see are white actors, white new anchors, white people creating the ideal image of beauty based on other white people. Food designed and marketed for white people. When I wake up in the morning and look in the mirror, I do not see myself as an individual first but part of the minority. I feel that I am different when I go shopping, eyes are staring at me, some out of curiousity and others out of suspicion.
Ethnic clubs are there as coping mechanisms, not because we want to be different; we are placed in a position to feel different.
So Egypt was once a world center of trade and scholarship. Big deal. So was Greece, UK, Iran(Persia), Iraq, etc... Get over it.
Take a break from the white man's world? That's fair enough. Maybe these kids would like to take a break from being told they are the reason for the world's problems? Or maybe they're tired of being called racist just for being caucasion. If you wake up in the morning and see a minority in the mirror instead of an individual, you have more issues than can be solved by an ethnic club, perhaps you should seek therapy for your low self-image.
So why can't white people have their own club too? When they are at the white club meeting, you can "take a break from the white person's world."
I thought I'd copy and paste an excellent post from Yowalabi a couple months back in a thread about a "white only prom" in Georgia.
- A racist is someone who feels people are inferior because of their skin color, not someone who recognizes the fact that race still plays a role in our society. I point to a recent University of Chicago study that showed that applicants for jobs who had obviously Black names were far less likely to be called in for an interview. If I recognize that there are ingrained prejudices that make it harder on someone because of race, and push for steps to be taken to combat that, I'm not a racist. A racist would be someone who took a look at a person and judged them to be inferior. Someone who didn't want to associate with someone on the basis of race alone.
- Black History month was created in acknowledgement that the entire year is White History month. Standard curriculum in grade schools has long taught European history, but not taught any African history. If you look through a grade school book, you would also be hard pressed to find more than two Black people other than Martin Luther King mentioned by name. Black people are only mentioned beyond that as being slaves. A child who only learned history through the books in class would conclude that Black people did not do anything noteworthy other than be slaves, and then become free. The intent of Black History Month is to correct a deficiency and show that there were plenty of important and noteworthy Black people throughout history. It was originally established as just one week to occur in the week that included Abraham Lincoln's and Frederick Douglass' birthday, but was expanded in 1976 as part of our Bicentennial. It's not an attempt to say "Black people are better", but more of an attempt to say "Black people are also relevant to history".
- The Miss Black America pageant came into being for one reason, and one reason only. BLACK PEOPLE WERE NOT ALLOWED INTO THE MISS AMERICA PAGEANT in 1968 when it was formed. Even when Blacks were eventually allowed in, there was no real chance to win. What the competition had decided as a standard for beauty wasn't what a Black woman looked like. Is Miss Black America still needed today? I don't know. There's an argument either way. How representative of the entire population is Miss America today?
What people seem to forget so easily is that it wasn't very long ago when Blacks were not allowed into the mainstream, often by law. They were relegated to the backs of busses, unable to purchase property in white neighborhoods, not given any representation in the media except as a derogatory character, not allowed to enter front doors. The various things that sprang up with the word "Black" in the title were absolutely necessary to address what was happening. The stratification of Black people and Black culture to the rim of society. Black achievement, Black artists, Black history, Black culture, was being ignored by the mainstream dominant culture and there was no alternative but to set up "Black" events to contrast the "White" ones or else lose all positive self identity. Just because they didn't call it Miss "White" America doesn't mean that's not what it was. As the majority and the dominant culture, the word "White" was often implied. The problem with a "White" event is that there can be no argument that it sprang up because they were not represented in the official event. The only reason for a "White" event is to exclude other races because of race.
- Those who claim that there has been or is only one America are being naive or lacking in racial experience. When did race cease to matter? After the Civil Rights Law in 1964? Once the law was passed, did the minds of the people who made that law necessary suddenly change? If not, when did it change. When did everything become equal, and race cease to exist? It is obviously a gradual and slow process towards race ceasing to matter. The Emancipation Proclamation was in 1863, yet it wasn't until 1964, 100 years later, that there was enough progress to say "you can't officially treat me worse because of my race". One has only to take a look at these teens with their white-only prom to know that the feelings behind racism have not been eradicated because even new generations are being indoctrinated.
- A racist is someone who feels people are inferior because of their skin color, not someone who recognizes the fact that race still plays a role in our society. I point to a recent University of Chicago study that showed that applicants for jobs who had obviously Black names were far less likely to be called in for an interview. If I recognize that there are ingrained prejudices that make it harder on someone because of race, and push for steps to be taken to combat that, I'm not a racist. A racist would be someone who took a look at a person and judged them to be inferior. Someone who didn't want to associate with someone on the basis of race alone.
- Black History month was created in acknowledgement that the entire year is White History month. Standard curriculum in grade schools has long taught European history, but not taught any African history. If you look through a grade school book, you would also be hard pressed to find more than two Black people other than Martin Luther King mentioned by name. Black people are only mentioned beyond that as being slaves. A child who only learned history through the books in class would conclude that Black people did not do anything noteworthy other than be slaves, and then become free. The intent of Black History Month is to correct a deficiency and show that there were plenty of important and noteworthy Black people throughout history. It was originally established as just one week to occur in the week that included Abraham Lincoln's and Frederick Douglass' birthday, but was expanded in 1976 as part of our Bicentennial. It's not an attempt to say "Black people are better", but more of an attempt to say "Black people are also relevant to history".
- The Miss Black America pageant came into being for one reason, and one reason only. BLACK PEOPLE WERE NOT ALLOWED INTO THE MISS AMERICA PAGEANT in 1968 when it was formed. Even when Blacks were eventually allowed in, there was no real chance to win. What the competition had decided as a standard for beauty wasn't what a Black woman looked like. Is Miss Black America still needed today? I don't know. There's an argument either way. How representative of the entire population is Miss America today?
What people seem to forget so easily is that it wasn't very long ago when Blacks were not allowed into the mainstream, often by law. They were relegated to the backs of busses, unable to purchase property in white neighborhoods, not given any representation in the media except as a derogatory character, not allowed to enter front doors. The various things that sprang up with the word "Black" in the title were absolutely necessary to address what was happening. The stratification of Black people and Black culture to the rim of society. Black achievement, Black artists, Black history, Black culture, was being ignored by the mainstream dominant culture and there was no alternative but to set up "Black" events to contrast the "White" ones or else lose all positive self identity. Just because they didn't call it Miss "White" America doesn't mean that's not what it was. As the majority and the dominant culture, the word "White" was often implied. The problem with a "White" event is that there can be no argument that it sprang up because they were not represented in the official event. The only reason for a "White" event is to exclude other races because of race.
- Those who claim that there has been or is only one America are being naive or lacking in racial experience. When did race cease to matter? After the Civil Rights Law in 1964? Once the law was passed, did the minds of the people who made that law necessary suddenly change? If not, when did it change. When did everything become equal, and race cease to exist? It is obviously a gradual and slow process towards race ceasing to matter. The Emancipation Proclamation was in 1863, yet it wasn't until 1964, 100 years later, that there was enough progress to say "you can't officially treat me worse because of my race". One has only to take a look at these teens with their white-only prom to know that the feelings behind racism have not been eradicated because even new generations are being indoctrinated.
I don't know if this was mentioned but...
Would it be alright to start a caucasian club in an area where caucasians are the minority?
Or
Would it be alright to start a black or asian club where either blacks or asians are the majority in the area?
Would it be alright to start a caucasian club in an area where caucasians are the minority?
Or
Would it be alright to start a black or asian club where either blacks or asians are the majority in the area?
OK I think all the arguments have been beat to death now, so how about we be constructive. I say let them have the club, but make it conditional that all clubs interact on a regular basis. Maybe present research on your specific culture to small workgroups. Discuss social interaction, religeon, food, music, etc... from your country of origin whith others of dissimilar backgrounds. They should make the clubs do something other than be a place to hang out with your "type" of people.
Just my 2 cents.
Just my 2 cents.
If they want to. But I don't think they should be required to interact with anyone or do anything. It's a free country.
If its ok for one group all other groups must be given the same accommodation otherwise do away with the groups.
Originally posted by: Roger
WET is already up and running, Woman's Entertainment. <---- who the hell thought up this one
ROTF!
Good name.
Triumph
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We forget because we were not around at that time, are not responsible for those actions, and should not be forced to pay for the sins of our fathers. 75% of the people on this board were not alive when those things happened, and that's why 75% of the people in this thread see this "no white club" as a double standard. By that same token, none of today's younger blacks had to bear that kind of oppression, and yet they are allowed privelages because of it.
Siddhartha
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If the US was not a racist country much of the discussion about slavery would be moot.
Until a qualified Afro-American can be elected president without race being an issue, I think all the people who say racism does not exist or is fostered by Afro-Americans for their benefit should STFU.
Shafting? You despicable feminist!Originally posted by: Triumph
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: xEDIT409
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: xEDIT409
Originally posted by: minendo
Yes because whites are always guilty.
Not always. But their past actions dont give um a good rep now. Ya know? I mean, it's not like they're hated or anything... I can't describe it, but umm... yeah.
Here's a few thing thats white's have accomplished. Oh, and this list isnt just American whites.
-Brits controlling India/China
-Slavery n' Segregation (ofcourse)
-Jewing the Indians outta their land
Good job on showing us your prejudices there Sparky.
Aww, sorry about that. I'm not racist or anything, and I do repect the jewish community alot. But yeah, I didn't know any other way to put it.
Cheating
Chicaning
Crafting
Defrauding
Bilking
Screwing
Shafting
Tricking
Two-timing
Backstabbing
- M4H
Lol. This is the greatest set of quotes ever.
Siddhartha
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