HR 1 urgently needs to pass through filibuster

[fskimospy]

Yeah it's a good thing we got that one passed. From reading his editorial, it sounds like he won't vote for anything else based on budget reconciliation either. Meaning that bill is the last consequential bill which will be passed by this administration. Entirely due to him. He literally just decided to shut down his party's entire legislative agenda.

We will see - I suspect that turns out not to be true.

 

[Zorba]

I wonder how much of it is genuinely held belief about bipartisanship and how much is just an excuse for not wanting to do certain things.

Regardless, he’s the reason Biden’s COVID bill that’s helping millions exists. Before you hate him too much, that’s worth considering.

The thing is, the filibuster doesn't promote bipartisanship, it blocks it. If a bill was going to pass no matter what, there is some chance some minority party people jump on with a few concessions. With 60 it's just cock blocked.

The filibuster as it stands today was invented like 11 years ago, I don't get why these dumbfucks act like it was handed down from the founding fathers (who actually, purposefully, made the Senate a majority vote house).

Also, how dumb do you have to be to unilaterally disarm? This is just telling the republicans they have nothing to fear, no reason to even attempt bipartisanship.

 

[ivwshane]

The thing is, the filibuster doesn't promote bipartisanship, it blocks it. If a bill was going to pass no matter what, there is some chance some minority party people jump on with a few concessions. With 60 it's just cock blocked.

The filibuster as it stands today was invented like 11 years ago, I don't get why these dumbfucks act like it was handed down from the founding fathers (who actually, purposefully, made the Senate a majority vote house).

Also, how dumb do you have to be to unilaterally disarm? This is just telling the republicans they have nothing to fear, no reason to even attempt bipartisanship.

If you haven’t figured it out yet, democrats are their own worst enemies.

 

[Zorba]

If you haven’t figured it out yet, democrats are their own worst enemies.

I figured that out a long time ago. You can't try to act in good faith in response their other side's extreme bad faith.

 

[woolfe9998]

If you haven’t figured it out yet, democrats are their own worst enemies.

Yeah, if that's what he's actually doing. It's hard to determine if he is really this naïve, or if he isn't being candid about his real motives. I mean, no one could actually in all seriousness believe we're going to get 10 repug votes for anything. Maybe if we had 58 seats then I can see it making some sense. But not with 50 seats. There is just no way to rationalize what he is saying.

 

[BUTCH1]

If you haven’t figured it out yet, democrats are their own worst enemies.

Not like the GOP didn't come out looking like epic morons backing the "they stole the election!" shit from trump, cost them the senate, (not that it matters much now).

 

[BUTCH1]

Yeah, if that's what he's actually doing. It's hard to determine if he is really this naïve, or if he isn't being candid about his real motives. I mean, no one could actually in all seriousness believe we're going to get 10 repug votes for anything. Maybe if we had 58 seats then I can see it making some sense. But not with 50 seats. There is just no way to rationalize what he is saying.

To put heat on this epic fool let these bills come to the floor for debate/negotiation, then when Mitch remains Mitch and will offer close to nothing in those negotiations drop the hammer on Man-shit. We tried it your way asshole and got squat in return, NOW can your puny brain understand?. Your constituents in WV could use that infrastructure plan as much as anybody shit-for-brains.

 

[dank69]

A theory I can get behind:

 

[fskimospy]

A theory I can get behind:

I think the easiest and most likely theory is that Manchin opposes most of the bills that eliminating the filibuster would enable.

 

[dank69]

I think the easiest and most likely theory is that Manchin opposes most of the bills that eliminating the filibuster would enable.

But why? Is he a closet Republican?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

But why? Is he a closet Republican?

He is barely a Democrat.

 

[fskimospy]

But why? Is he a closet Republican?

I mean clearly he’s not a Republican. I don’t know why he doesn’t support those various initiatives but he’s not an idiot. He knows there won’t be 60 votes for them, and he also knows they could pass a lot of them with 50 votes if he wanted to. The most likely answer is for whatever reason he doesn’t want to.

 

[VRAMdemon]

I would think this idea will go nowhere with the filibuster intact.

Biden to order bipartisan commission to study Supreme Court expansion

President Joe Biden will order a bipartisan commission to study a slew of potential reforms to the U.S. Supreme Court, the White House said.

www.cnbc.com

 

[fskimospy]

I would think this idea will go nowhere with the filibuster intact.

Biden to order bipartisan commission to study Supreme Court expansion

President Joe Biden will order a bipartisan commission to study a slew of potential reforms to the U.S. Supreme Court, the White House said.

www.cnbc.com

It very likely won’t go anywhere without it intact either. Democrats would probably need at least 3 or so more senators to accomplish that.

This is why HR1 (or at least the gerrymandering parts of it) are so important. Democrats very well may pick up a couple senate seats in 2022 but their house majority is probably doomed unless they win by around 5-6 points, which would be nearly unprecedented in modern times for the president’s party. They can’t win just by getting the most votes, they need blowout wins every time just to stay even because the field is so biased against them.

 

[soundforbjt]

I predict HR-1 never passes.

 

[cytg111]

Wouldnt Adam Kinzinger make a better Manchin than Manchin? Seriously? Cant you flip him?

 

[fskimospy]

Wouldnt Adam Kinzinger make a better Manchin than Manchin? Seriously? Cant you flip him?

1) not a senator.
2) is way, way to the right of Manchin.

 

[cytg111]

dam, got that messed around.

 

[Amol S.]

There is an alternative way to get something like HR-1 passed in a manner that acts like HR1, but really is not HR1. Basically all the law suits against the new voting laws reach the US Supreme Court, and the new laws are declared unconstitutional. It would almost be like HR1. Maybe that is what Manchin is currently thinking will happen.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

There is an alternative way to get something like HR-1 passed in a manner that acts like HR1, but really is not HR1. Basically all the law suits against the new voting laws reach the US Supreme Court, and the new laws are declared unconstitutional. It would almost be like HR1. Maybe that is what Manchin is currently thinking will happen.

Pretty much. I say trim HR1 down to donations and citizen drawn redistricting.
Those are super popular with everyone D or R or I

 

[weblooker2021]

There is an alternative way to get something like HR-1 passed in a manner that acts like HR1, but really is not HR1. Basically all the law suits against the new voting laws reach the US Supreme Court, and the new laws are declared unconstitutional. It would almost be like HR1. Maybe that is what Manchin is currently thinking will happen.

SCTOUS is 6-3 conservative, i am not seeing it happening.

 

[HomerJS]

Conservatives have been trying to roll back voting rights since the 65 act. This court and Shelby have been successful

 

[woolfe9998]

100 scholars of government and political science issue an open letter stating that if we don't end the filibuster and pass HR1, democracy in America is in grave danger.

Statement of Concern

Democracy scholars urge members of Congress to pass national voting and election administration standards.

www.newamerica.org

 

[mect]

100 scholars of government and political science issue an open letter stating that if we don't end the filibuster and pass HR1, democracy in America is in grave danger.

Statement of Concern

Democracy scholars urge members of Congress to pass national voting and election administration standards.

www.newamerica.org

These scholars include leading experts on failed democracies. I don't think our country is thinking clearly enough to care at the moment, unfortunately.

 

[woolfe9998]

Joe Manchin writes editorial coming out against HR1, not because of anything actually in the bill that he disagrees with, but because republicans don't support it.

https://www.wvgazettemail.com/opinion/op_ed_commentaries/joe-manchin-why-im-voting-against-the-for-the-people-act/article_c7eb2551-a500-5f77-aa37-2e42d0af870f.html

This man has a serious brain defect.