HR 1 urgently needs to pass through filibuster

[fskimospy]

He needs to understand that if we don't enact these policies now he will not win his next election no matter how hard he panders to the middle. He barely eeked out his last win as it is. If we get some progressive policies in place this year, the benefits his constituents feel might be enough to overcome the outrage they're fed when they first pass. If he waits until 2022, the benefits will not have enough time to kick in before they throw him on the street, and that assumes the Dems can increase their power in 2022 without these policies, which is a stretch to begin with.

From my understanding he's not planning on running again.

 

[dank69]

'Much' is doing some heavy lifting if we're using it to gloss over the largest rescue package in history.

I think it is an appropriate choice when we compare the rescue package to everything else that needs to be done.

 

[dank69]

From my understanding he's not planning on running again.

If that's the case I'll change my opinion of him from craven/naive to corrupt and/or stupid.

 

[weblooker2021]

Yes, we do need him, which is frustrating, because he's being a total douche right now. What's with the flip flopping on weakening the filibuster?

At this point he is the most powerful person the world. He been pretty consistent in what he believes.

 

[dank69]

At this point he is the most powerful person the world. He been pretty consistent in what he believes.

You could say the same thing about ISIL.

 

[emperus]

Manchin is doing this so he won't have to take any hard votes. He should look at how Joe Lieberman's career ended.

 

[weblooker2021]

You could say the same thing about ISIL.

To be exact any Democrat in the Senate could be in that role if he/she decide to do so.

 

[dank69]

Manchin is doing this so he won't have to take any hard votes. He should look at how Joe Lieberman's career ended.

Trying to think of what he fears will happen if he places some hard votes...

 

[fskimospy]

Guys, Joe Manchin does not fear any attacks from the left. Like, at all. I’m pretty sure he’s on the record saying if anything they help him. Regardless, he is the most valuable democratic senator that exists today.

While I’m frustrated that he won’t stand up to restore democracy to the US, we will have to wait and see.

 

[dank69]

Guys, Joe Manchin does not fear any attacks from the left. Like, at all. I’m pretty sure he’s on the record saying if anything they help him. Regardless, he is the most valuable democratic senator that exists today.

While I’m frustrated that he won’t stand up to restore democracy to the US, we will have to wait and see.

Help him what? If he isn't planning on running for re-election, how do attacks from the left help him?

 

[fskimospy]

Help him what? If he isn't planning on running for re-election, how do attacks from the left help him?

I believe he originally said it years ago. They help him because the only threats to his power come from the right, not the left. I bet WV voters love it when liberals say they hate him.

I tend to trust the guy’s instincts considering how incredibly impressive his wins there have been.

 

[cytg111]

Well... you can squarely put the loss of democracy in GA at Manchins feet then.
Tell me, why do Manchin hate poor black folk in GA? Is he a clans man?
I notice he has not been verbal on Gaetz yet ... Is he a pedo too?
There was an esptein thing too right?

 

[dank69]

I believe he originally said it years ago. They help him because the only threats to his power come from the right, not the left. I bet WV voters love it when liberals say they hate him.

I tend to trust the guy’s instincts considering how incredibly impressive his wins there have been.

Okay so they helped him (maybe) but if he isn't running again, they no longer help him.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Okay so they helped him (maybe) but if he isn't running again, they no longer help him.

Is it possible his maneuvering/actions is to go against his own party (and in the current state of things, going against what's right) to demonstrate to his constituents what it will be like if they don't replace him with a democrat? I know it's an off the wall idea, but maybe he is looking at the long game in a maneuver to help get his constituents to see the Republican's as they really are, the enemy of the state and nation so a Republican doesn't get his seat.

 

[cytg111]

When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.

 

[dank69]

Is it possible his maneuvering/actions is to go against his own party (and in the current state of things, going against what's right) to demonstrate to his constituents what it will be like if they don't replace him with a democrat? I know it's an off the wall idea, but maybe he is looking at the long game in a maneuver to help get his constituents to see the Republican's as they really are, the enemy of the state and nation so a Republican doesn't get his seat.

He should know as well as anyone by now that that, or anything like that, is a fool's errand.

 

[Thump553]

It frustrates the hell out of me that an antiquated procedural rule in the Senate-something that is not either a law or a Constitutional provision-has had such a disproportionate effect on US government policy and action (to the detriment) for the last thirty years or so. The GOP has excepted everything they want from the effect of the filibuster rule (primarily judicial appointments and Supreme Court confirmations).

Hopefully the groundswell of anti-GOP opinion in the general vote population continues into the next Senate election and the Dems gain at least one seat. It's sickening to watch our democracy implode and collapse because of this.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

It frustrates the hell out of me that an antiquated procedural rule in the Senate-something that is not either a law or a Constitutional provision-has had such a disproportionate effect on US government policy and action (to the detriment) for the last thirty years or so. The GOP has excepted everything they want from the effect of the filibuster rule (primarily judicial appointments and Supreme Court confirmations).

Hopefully the groundswell of anti-GOP opinion in the general vote population continues into the next Senate election and the Dems gain at least one seat. It's sickening to watch our democracy implode and collapse because of this.

I’m not so confident this will happen.
New gerrymandered districts and we hear this every off cycle election and it never happens.

 

[fskimospy]

I’m not so confident this will happen.
New gerrymandered districts and we hear this every off cycle election and it never happens.

Well, gerrymandering doesn’t affect the senate.

It’s only three months into the term so there’s lots of time for the situation to change but it is scary that the republicans are very publicly moving to rig the country’s electoral system, Democrats see them doing this and have the power to stop them, but elect not to in deference to an a procedural maneuver whose primary legacy is the defense of racism.

 

[Thump553]

Well, gerrymandering doesn’t affect the senate.

It’s only three months into the term so there’s lots of time for the situation to change but it is scary that the republicans are very publicly moving to rig the country’s electoral system, Democrats see them doing this and have the power to stop them, but elect not to in deference to an a procedural maneuver whose primary legacy is the defense of racism.

How are the Dems electing not to do so? They need every Dem senator to join in and there is exactly one wacko who refuses to do so. Dump on him hard enough and he will switch parties, giving control of the Senate to the GOP. It's a shitty situation-but can you imagine how much worse off we'd be at this point if both runoff seats in GA hadn't gone Dem?

The only long range solution is the public has to continue to be actively involved for at least one more election cycle in order to start reversing the collapse of US democracy.

 

[fskimospy]

How are the Dems electing not to do so? They need every Dem senator to join in and there is exactly one wacko who refuses to do so. Dump on him hard enough and he will switch parties, giving control of the Senate to the GOP. It's a shitty situation-but can you imagine how much worse off we'd be at this point if both runoff seats in GA hadn't gone Dem?

The only long range solution is the public has to continue to be actively involved for at least one more election cycle in order to start reversing the collapse of US democracy.

Well by ‘Democrats’ I mean that they collectively have the power to do so but aren’t, mostly due to a couple senators, yes.

As far as Manchin switching parties, I doubt it. What would be the point? As a Democrat he exerts enormous influence over policy at all levels. He in large part dictates what does and doesn’t happen in the US right now. As a Republican he would...do what exactly? He would have no influence on legislation as basically none would be passed. He doesn’t seem to care about keeping his seat after this term and even if he did it hardly seems likely Manchin would be more likely to win a Republican primary than the general. He would basically be shooting his own dick off.

So no, I view the idea of him switching parties very skeptically because McConnell has nothing to offer.

 

[BUTCH1]

Well by ‘Democrats’ I mean that they collectively have the power to do so but aren’t, mostly due to a couple senators, yes.

As far as Manchin switching parties, I doubt it. What would be the point? As a Democrat he exerts enormous influence over policy at all levels. He in large part dictates what does and doesn’t happen in the US right now. As a Republican he would...do what exactly? He would have no influence on legislation as basically none would be passed. He doesn’t seem to care about keeping his seat after this term and even if he did it hardly seems likely Manchin would be more likely to win a Republican primary than the general. He would basically be shooting his own dick off.

So no, I view the idea of him switching parties very skeptically because McConnell has nothing to offer.

Manchin lives in fairy-tale land with his "lets find common ground" bullshit, hey, asshole, it's not 1958 anymore and in case you didn't notice Moscow Mitch has taken every possible opportunity to dry-stick the Dem's since forever. Confirming a SCOTUS nominee with THREE WEEKS before an election?, yup, he did that. Mitch warns of "scorched earth" possibility if filibuster is ever eliminated yet he's burned the Dem's already like a blow-torch, nothing was/is sacred to that asshole.

 

[fskimospy]

Manchin lives in fairy-tale land with his "lets find common ground" bullshit, hey, asshole, it's not 1958 anymore and in case you didn't notice Moscow Mitch has taken every possible opportunity to dry-stick the Dem's since forever. Confirming a SCOTUS nominee with THREE WEEKS before an election?, yup, he did that. Mitch warns of "scorched earth" possibility if filibuster is ever eliminated yet he's burned the Dem's already like a blow-torch, nothing was/is sacred to that asshole.

I wonder how much of it is genuinely held belief about bipartisanship and how much is just an excuse for not wanting to do certain things.

Regardless, he’s the reason Biden’s COVID bill that’s helping millions exists. Before you hate him too much, that’s worth considering.

 

[woolfe9998]

'Much' is doing some heavy lifting if we're using it to gloss over the largest rescue package in history.

Yeah it's a good thing we got that one passed. From reading his editorial, it sounds like he won't vote for anything else based on budget reconciliation either. Meaning that bill is the last consequential bill which will be passed by this administration. Entirely due to him. He literally just decided to shut down his party's entire legislative agenda.

 

[woolfe9998]

Manchin lives in fairy-tale land with his "lets find common ground" bullshit, hey, asshole, it's not 1958 anymore and in case you didn't notice Moscow Mitch has taken every possible opportunity to dry-stick the Dem's since forever. Confirming a SCOTUS nominee with THREE WEEKS before an election?, yup, he did that. Mitch warns of "scorched earth" possibility if filibuster is ever eliminated yet he's burned the Dem's already like a blow-torch, nothing was/is sacred to that asshole.

Yeah, the worst thing about it is, that since he has sworn to never even modify the filibuster, now McConnell has no incentive to compromise at all. He claims to want compromise but all he's done is ensure years more of gridlock.