HP launches new desktop with AMD 380 GPU

[sontin]

AMD renamed the 7900 series, too, after they introduced a OEM HD8000 line up.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Was this expected to be HBM?

 

[pj-]

Seems like there is going to be a huge (double?) performance jump from 380 to 390 unless 390/x aren't as strong as rumors have been suggesting.

 

[xthetenth]

Preinstalled Graphics. It is OEM only.

That would explain some things. Also, do the listed features fully match the 285?

 

[ShintaiDK]

That would explain some things. Also, do the listed features fully match the 285?

Yep.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I guess we will see the 380X as a 2048SP Tonga. It would be crazy to see another round of Tahiti.

 

[sontin]

With this OEM line they will introduce another new name for their refresh.
The question is why would they introduce the 300 series now...

 

[Blue_Max]

The R9 380 is a renamed R9 285 with up to 4GB:
http://www.amd.com/en-us/products/graphics/desktop/oem#

100% remake or at least a little more optimized?

 

[Erenhardt]

yea... and 390x will be rebranded 295x2 following this logic.

 

[nvgpu]

From the link, R9 370, Freesync not supported, pretty much confirms GCN 1.0, it's Pitcairn/Curacao/whatever AMD can rebrand it again.

Also note none of the GPUs supports HEVC decoding, they're nothing but rebrands.

 

[goa604]

Im disappointed, was really hoping we would see something fresh from AMD.

 

[SimianR]

Well, that seems to confirm that the non-x variations are rebrands. I'm curious then to see what the plan is for the 380x, 370x and 360x.

 

[Stuka87]

Well gg amd, hardly knew ya!

Tonga isn't necessarily bad but using what seems to be a 270 gcn1.0 and 260 gcn1.1 is just unbelievable. RIP amd 2015.

Both nVidia and AMD have been doing this for well over a decade. Its not going to hurt AMD anymore then it hurts nVidia. The card gets more efficient due to it being perfected, typically gets cheaper, etc.

There is no reason for them to dump a ton of money into lower end cards that have very small profit margins.

 

[Techhog]

The R9 380 is a renamed R9 285 with up to 4GB:
http://www.amd.com/en-us/products/graphics/desktop/oem#

Well... That's all she wrote. It also proves that Cloudfire was either lying or being lied to... And that the 390X is a 980 competitor... It's all over for the GPU market, isn't it? Next Titan to be $1500?

 

[Stuka87]

it should also be noted that OEM rarely equals retail. Been plenty of times that an OEM version of a card is different from a retail version.

 

[AtenRa]

Where does it say it is Tonga ???

Also,

R9 360 has 12 Compute Units (768 Steam Processors) with up to 1.05GHz and it doesnt need an extra 6-pin. That means its only a 75W powered from PCIe alone.

For comparison, R9 255 only has 8 Compute Units (512 Steam Processors) with up to 930MHz, same Memory bandwith and it needs an extra 6-pin power connector making it a 150W Power card.

And,

R9 370 has 16 Compute Units (1024 Steam Processors) but it has memory bandwidth of 179 GB/s and only a single 6-pin.


R9 270X has 1280 SPs with 104 GB/s memory bandwidth and dual 6-pin connectors.

I dont believe those are just rebrands.

Edit: I believe 370 could go against GTX960

 

[Techhog]

Guys, remember the 390 that leaked and seemed to use a Hawaii PCB? What if the 390 is a rebranded 290X and the 390X is a cut-down Fiji due to yields not allowing a full version to be sold? Or worse...

 

[96Firebird]

These parts could be faster and/or more efficient if they switched from TSMC to GloFo and their 28nm process is better...

Who knows.

 

[jpiniero]

R9 360 has 12 Compute Units (768 Steam Processors) with up to 1.05GHz and it doesnt need an extra 6-pin. That means its only a 75W powered from PCIe alone.

The 360 and 380 may be respins of GCN 1.2 to lower the power consumption. The 370 looks like it is the same as 270.

 

[Techhog]

The 360 and 380 may be respins of GCN 1.2 to lower the power consumption. The 370 looks like it is the same as 270.

Actually, that's the funny thing. The 270 has 1280 SPs, so this implies that the 370 will be slower than the 270!

 

[ShintaiDK]

Where does it say it is Tonga ???

Isnt it obvious enough?

Also,

R9 360 has 12 Compute Units (768 Steam Processors) with up to 1.05GHz and it doesnt need an extra 6-pin. That means its only a 75W powered from PCIe alone.

For comparison, R9 255 only has 8 Compute Units (512 Steam Processors) with up to 930MHz, same Memory bandwith and it needs an extra 6-pin power connector making it a 150W Power card.

260 is 95W TDP. To get it under 75W today isnt exactly impossible with mature process and more efficient GDDR5. And clocks are listed as Up to.

Its a GCN 1.1 chip aka Bonaire.

And, R9 370 has 16 Compute Units (1024 Steam Processors) but it has memory bandwidth of 179 GB/s and only a single 6-pin.


R9 270X has 1280 SPs with 104 GB/s memory bandwidth and dual 6-pin connectors.

265, 270 and 270X is a 256bit card with 5.6Ghz GDDR5. Do you still believe its 104GB/sec?

Its Pitcairn with GCN 1.0 features. More precise, 265 with +50Mhz.

I dont believe those are just rebrands.

They sure look so.

Edit: I believe 370 could go against GTX960

That would require a 270 to be able to do it.

Remember this?

Its just a version.

Lets look on the 370.

"%AMD6810.1%" = ati2mtag_R575, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6810&REV_00
"%AMD6811.1%" = ati2mtag_R575, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6811&SUBSYS_0B001028&REV_81
"%AMD6811.2%" = ati2mtag_R575, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6811&REV_00

The chip is the same R575. Ids under and over matches the 270. Note I only posted 3, there are too many to post for Pitcairn.

The info that device manager would show:
AMD6810.1 = "AMD Radeon R9 200 Series"
AMD6811.1 = "AMD Radeon R9 370"
AMD6811.2 = "AMD Radeon R9 200 Series"

Same applies for the 360 for example. Its the R505 chip, a less used chip:
"%AMD6658.1%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6658&SUBSYS_293C1462
"%AMD6658.2%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6658
"%AMD665C.1%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665C&SUBSYS_29321462
"%AMD665C.2%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665C&SUBSYS_29341462
"%AMD665C.3%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665C&SUBSYS_293B1462
"%AMD665C.4%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665C&SUBSYS_8770148C
"%AMD665C.5%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665C&SUBSYS_9260148C
"%AMD665C.6%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665C&SUBSYS_9260174B
"%AMD665C.7%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665C
"%AMD665D.1%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665D
"%AMD665F.1%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665F&SUBSYS_0B041028&REV_81

AMD6658.1 = "AMD Radeon R9 260"
AMD6658.2 = "AMD Radeon R7 200 Series"
AMD665C.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 8770"
AMD665C.2 = "AMD Radeon R9 260"
AMD665C.3 = "AMD Radeon R9 260"
AMD665C.4 = "AMD Radeon HD 8770"
AMD665C.5 = "AMD Radeon R9 260"
AMD665C.6 = "AMD Radeon R9 260"
AMD665C.7 = "AMD Radeon HD 7700 Series"
AMD665D.1 = "AMD Radeon R7 200 Series"
AMD665F.1 = "AMD Radeon R9 360"

 

[ShintaiDK]

Actually, that's the funny thing. The 270 has 1280 SPs, so this implies that the 370 will be slower than the 270!

Something had to go to remove 1 PCIe connector and reduce TDP. Clocks are up slightly tho to with +50Mhz. Tho listed as Up to.

 

[nvgpu]

http://techreport.com/review/27702/nvidia-geforce-gtx-960-graphics-card-reviewed

At price parity, the GTX 960 and R9 285 are very evenly matched. The R9 285 has a slight advantage in the overall FPS average, but it falls behind the GeForce GTX 960 in our time-sensitive 99th percentile metric. We've seen the reasons why the R9 285 falls behind in the preceding pages. I'd say the 99th percentile result is a better indicator of overall performance—and the GTX 960 leads slightly in that case. That makes the GTX 960 a good card to buy, and for a lot of folks, that will be all they need to know.

In virtually every case, you'll pay more for the Radeon than for the competing GeForce in other ways—whether it be on your electric bill, in terms of PSU requirements, or in the amount of heat and noise produced by your PC. The difference between the R9 285 and the GeForce GTX 960 on this front is pretty dramatic.

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_960_STRIX_OC/images/perfrel_1920.gif

270X can't even compete with GTX 960 which performs more like 285. 370 which is a 265(1024SP, 1 6pin) rebrand would be even slower.

 

[Techhog]

Something had to go to remove 1 PCIe connector and reduce TDP. Clocks are up slightly tho to with +50Mhz. Tho listed as Up to.

The 270 already only has a single connector dude.

 

[ShintaiDK]

The 270 already only has a single connector dude.

My mistake, I was looking at 270X.

370=265.