How will Subway pitchman Jared Fogle weather FBI investigation?

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CZroe

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Are suggesting that because someone was skewered incorrectly by the media the government can't go after suspect criminals?

It's hard to tell when you don't actually communicate anything.
Are you playing dumb? They scoured his home and paraded everything out in evidence bags while the media blasted it around the world live for everyone to see with no evidence what-so-ever. He's pointing out that it does sometimes happen without credible evidence.

In the early stages of the investigation they were listing anyone even remotely linked as a "possible" suspect and, as the hero who found the bomb and saved lives, he was included on that list. It leaked and the media latched onto that name. They camped out and stalked him and demanded to know why the police hadn't searched his apartment yet. With no credible evidence what-so-ever, they searched his house and the media went into even more of a frenzy. The poor guy's name was dragged through the mud when he should have been considered a hero. Instead, there are still people today who think he did it. He died with people thinking he was a horrible killer due to that kind of crap.
 

preslove

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There was a guy at a place I used to work that got busted for KP. They arrested him at work and took his work computer.

If Jared did have KP and didn't use the 2 months to scrub his computers clean then he is a moron.

They would probably be able tell if all his computers were dban-ed two months ago. That's obstruction of justice.

It ain't looking good for the former fatso: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-friends-with-accused-child-pornographer.html

Subway’s Jared Fogle Was ‘Best Friends’ With Accused Child Pornographer


Subway spokesman Jared Fogle and the head of his children’s charity, Russell Taylor— who is facing federal child-porn charges—have been buddies for years, friends told The Daily Beast. Indeed, Fogle allegedly handpicked Taylor for the job.

On Tuesday, FBI agents and Indiana cops raided Fogle’s home, presumably as part of the ongoing Taylor probe. (Fogle had not been charged with anything as of press time.) The raid unleashed a social media field day and prompted the fast-food behemoth to drop its longtime sandwich shill.

As investigators confiscated electronics from Fogle’s residence, just north of Indianapolis, the walking weight-loss advertisement waited nearby in a police evidence truck. His wife and children had departed just after the 6:30 a.m. sweep began.

The Fogle raid comes two months after Taylor, the executive director of the Jared Foundation, was charged with seven counts of producing child pornography and one count of possession, court papers show.

A friend of Taylor’s said that Fogle—who was once 425 pounds before going on his Subway sandwich diet—and his employee were close friends well before they started their business relationship.
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“They were good friends before [Taylor] started working for him,” the insider told The Daily Beast. “Jared basically created a position for him to help raise funds and do the administrative stuff Jared couldn’t do. He had experience with nonprofits.”

Taylor’s lawyer declined to comment on the charges. A lawyer for Fogle did not return messages left by The Daily Beast.

Taylor has directed the Jared Foundation since May 2008, according to his LinkedIn profile. His profile also lists a short stint at the American Cancer Society and a position as the “youth market director” for the American Heart Association.

In 2013, the Jared Foundation had $127,276 in revenues but $148,244 in expenses, tax forms show. Taylor took in a $40,008 salary at the charity, which aimed to prevent childhood obesity. (There were at least two other executive directors before Taylor, tax records show.)

It’s unclear how Taylor and Fogle met. But a coach with Indiana’s Clay Youth Football League who worked with Taylor’s kids said the two men were extremely close.

“They worked together somewhere in Indianapolis,” the acquaintance told The Daily Beast. “They were best friends.”

Fogle, who catapulted to Hoosier royalty after appearing in Subway TV ads, would sometimes visit youth football games with Taylor, to help get the kids into the team spirit, the coach said.

“He gave the kids a rah-rah speech,” the drill instructor said. “We actually won the league championship that day. [Jared] gave them a motivational speech, pumped them all up, got them going.”

Fogle, who catapulted to Hoosier royalty after appearing in Subway TV ads, would sometimes visit youth football games with Taylor.

Taylor was known to many parents as a camera guy. Since 2011, he stood on the sidelines taking video footage of the games and of his twin boys—which he later mixed with pop and hip-hop songs and posted on YouTube.

One video shows the peewee players with a backdrop of the Phil Collins song “In the Air Tonight.” Another one features Johnny Cash singing “Hurt” before transitioning into Neil Diamond’s “Cracklin’ Rosie.”

“He really was doing the league a service, to be honest with you,” the coach told The Daily Beast. “He’d videotape games no one wanted to do.”

Despite Taylor’s volunteer efforts, the coach found him to be “an odd duck” and said, “Take that however you want. He was just different.”

Another friend told The Daily Beast, “He’s extremely charismatic and friendly … It’s very shocking. If it’s true, he deserves whatever he gets. But we’re going to wait and see what plays out.”

One angry football mom had harsher words for Taylor, calling him a “sick fuck” on Facebook after news broke of the raid on Fogle’s house. “Man I’m so glad I never let my son come to your home with your children. Just goes to show you, you cannot trust anyone,” she wrote.

The details in Taylor’s federal complaint paint a stomach-churning scene. According to the complaint, memory cards and hard drives at his home had 500 child-porn videos. A cache of some videos were recorded at his own home and allegedly showed children nude in a bathtub, unaware they were being recorded. Some of the recordings allegedly featured his own stepdaughter. The footage was taken in Taylor’s current and previous homes, authorities say.

“Videos of child pornography and child erotica were recovered, as were documents related to his employment as director of a foundation,” the federal criminal complaint states.

According to investigators, Taylor admitted to putting a clock radio with a hidden camera in one child’s bedroom to determine whether she was having sex with her boyfriend or stealing from his wife.

Taylor told police he hid the clock cameras in various rooms throughout the house—including the bathroom. When asked why he had placed the hidden cameras, he allegedly said, “I’ve had Nanny cams forever.”

He initially said his wife hid a camera in his step-daughter’s room, then said he wasn’t sure if he was behind that setup. “We both have set cameras up at different times,” he told investigators, according to the complaint.

Four children were secretly videotaped, including two children who were 14 to 16 years old at the time. There were also recordings of one child who was 11 to 13 years old, and another who was 9 to 11 years old, authorities say. (A source told The Daily Beast that Taylor had two boys from a previous marriage and that his wife had three children.)

Police began investigating Taylor in September 2014, when a female friend told a state trooper that Taylor offered to send her images or videos of “young girls” via text message, according to the criminal complaint.

When asked if Taylor had expressed interest in sex with children, the friend said, “Not that I can remember, but he’s the type of person that seems to be very sexually involved in whatever goes.”

The offer of images came during a flurry of text messages between the friend, Taylor and Taylor’s wife that discussed bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse and other sexual matters, the court document claims.

The friend—identified in court papers as Jane Doe—told police that Taylor asked if he and another woman could come to her property, where she boards horses, and engage in sexual activity with one of the animals.

After Taylor’s arrest, Fogle released a statement to Indianapolis media: “I was shocked to learn of the allegations against Mr. Taylor and effective immediately, the Jared Foundation is severing all ties with Mr. Taylor.”

Still, a relative of Taylor’s told WISH-TV that Fogle continued to back Taylor and helped bail him out of a county jail, where he was held pending state child-porn charges. Taylor is now in federal custody, according to the TV station—and a “for sale” sign hangs outside his Indianapolis home.
 

purbeast0

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so if a friend of mine gets busted for child porn, the feds have a right to come bust into my house and take all my shit out for investigation?
 
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so if a friend of mine gets busted for child porn, the feds have a right to come bust into my house and take all my shit out for investigation?

No, unless there is probable cause to believe your house contains evidence of a crime (whether a crime committed by you, your friend, and/or a third party). If, hypothetically, there were some evidence that Taylor had stored child porn on Fogle's computers, or that he had emailed or otherwise transferred child porn to Fogle, that could constitute such probable cause. At this point we don't know what evidence led to the issuance of a search warrant for Fogle's house - all we know is that one was issued (and that an unnamed law enforcement officer stated that Fogle is a suspect).
 

preslove

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so if a friend of mine gets busted for child porn, the feds have a right to come bust into my house and take all my shit out for investigation?

Did you give your friend a job working with kids? Would you bail your friend out after he got busted for CP? Given this, and Jared's past distributing porn, there is a lot of probable cause, and a solid rationale for seizing his computers. It's a whole lot worse for Jared that the CP producing employee was a close friend who was given the job, and not just some random guy who submitted a resume and was hired after a normal employee search.

We're still early on here, and I don't know enough to pass useless internet justice on him, but you have to admit that this isn't looking good. Who knows, he could totally be innocent and just a dumb, unlucky guy who got fooled by a psychopath. Or, not. We'll see what the investigation has turned up when the feds decide to release it.
 
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Phoenix86

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Are you playing dumb? They scoured his home and paraded everything out in evidence bags while the media blasted it around the world live for everyone to see with no evidence what-so-ever. He's pointing out that it does sometimes happen without credible evidence.

In the early stages of the investigation they were listing anyone even remotely linked as a "possible" suspect and, as the hero who found the bomb and saved lives, he was included on that list. It leaked and the media latched onto that name. They camped out and stalked him and demanded to know why the police hadn't searched his apartment yet. With no credible evidence what-so-ever, they searched his house and the media went into even more of a frenzy.The poor guy's name was dragged through the mud when he should have been considered a hero. Instead, there are still people today who think he did it. He died with people thinking he was a horrible killer due to that kind of crap.

Being investigated sucks, but he was never charged. The FBI, as you said, was looking at EVERYONE as a possible suspect.

Yes, the FBI went overboard initially on this guy.

And, as you said, the media went on a frenzy. If the government went on a frenzy he'd have been charged and convicted. Instead, because of the severe media attention (which they were partially to blame) they released a statement specifically saying "he's not a suspect for really good reasons, stop hounding this guy".

So yes, an investigation can go overboard, but that doesn't mean it's the government's fault. There's a reason they call it trail by media.

If you wanted to throw out a good example of the government going overboard you can look at the red scare. That's government abuse of power.

Anyways, back to the only point that matters with regard to this case and the government going too far: There's no evidence of it. Show me some and let's talk about it, otherwise it's a fart in a vacuum.

edit: I also think it's funny one minute lxskllr is saying this "doesn't mean shit" then you two are saying "it ruins people's lives". Not everything is a fence with two sides, in fact, that's rarely the case. Reality is far more granular.
 
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88keys

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so if a friend of mine gets busted for child porn, the feds have a right to come bust into my house and take all my shit out for investigation?


Perhaps. Depends on whether they have probably cause.

Suppose you fired your friend because of his activities regarding child pornography. Then later your friend throws you under the bus and accuses you of doing child pornography or even attempts to frame you by planting evidence....

Not that far fetched of a scenario.
 

Phoenix86

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so if a friend of mine gets busted for child porn, the feds have a right to come bust into my house and take all my shit out for investigation?

Are you also your friends employer? Do you also maintain work computers at your house with data from that employee on it?

But we're all missing a piece of the puzzle here. We don't know what credible evidence the judge saw to sign the warrant. It could have been as simple as "yeah I stored some files on the corporate server", so they immediately throw Jared in as a "suspect" and get a warrant for the computers; or he could have been an integral part of a child porn ring...
 

CZroe

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I never said it makes him guilty, but it sure as fuck means something.

It's step 1 in a process that ends in possible conviction. Reasonable suspicion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_burden_of_proof

But it doesn't stop there, he's sailed up to step 4, some credible evidence, because a search warrant was issued. This is the first step requiring evidence, not the computers, evidence to get the warrant for the computers. They already have *something* on him.
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Are suggesting that because someone was skewered incorrectly by the media the government can't go after suspect criminals?
Are you playing dumb? They scoured his home and paraded everything out in evidence bags...He's pointing out that it does sometimes happen without credible evidence...
Being investigated sucks, but he was never charged. The FBI, as you said, was looking at EVERYONE as a possible suspect.
...and neither was Jared.
Yes, the FBI went overboard initially on this guy.
Which proves why you can't jump to conclusions like you just did when you said "he's sailed up to step 4, some credible evidence, because a search warrant was issued."
And, as you said, the media went on a frenzy. If the government went on a frenzy he'd have been charged and convicted. Instead, because of the severe media attention (which they were partially to blame) they released a statement specifically saying "he's not a suspect for really good reasons, stop hounding this guy".
The media is made up of people. Those people made mistakes because they jumped to conclusions. You are a person. You are making the same mistake. You are part of SOCIAL media. Not only has he not been charged with anything yet, you can even be charged and there is still supposed to be the presumption of innocence without proof of guilt.
So yes, an investigation can go overboard, but that doesn't mean it's the government's fault. There's a reason they call it trail by media.
I wasn't arguing fault. I was saying that you can't assume they have something credible against him just because they got a warrant. Hell, they could get a warrant to search his place to get more evidence against his friend with no intention of charging Jared with anything. It does't mean a damned thing... yet.
If you wanted to throw out a good example of the government going overboard you can look at the red scare. That's government abuse of power.
This was about YOU going overboard, not the government.
Anyways, back to the only point that matters with regard to this case and the government going too far: There's no evidence of it. Show me some and let's talk about it, otherwise it's a fart in a vacuum.
The evidence of you going too far is in the quote tree. I never implied that the warrant means they are going too far. The warrant may have been issued to collect more evidence against the friend and not to find evidence against Jared.
edit: I also think it's funny one minute lxskllr is saying this "doesn't mean shit" then you two are saying "it ruins people's lives". Not everything is a fence with two sides, in fact, that's rarely the case. Reality is far more granular.
Indeed it is, which is why your "They already have *something* on him" statement is so off-base.
 

Phoenix86

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Fucking multi-quoting, so hard to respond...

Which proves why you can't jump to conclusions like you just did when you said "he's sailed up to step 4, some credible evidence, because a search warrant was issued."

The only conclusion I "jumped to" was countering "doesn't mean shit". Where he was making it to mean nothing and I was saying it mean something you're doing the opposite, assuming it means too much (that I think he's guilt).

I clearly stated what it means to be at step 4 in that process. It means the judge saw "some credible evidence". That's it. Quit trying to paint me into a position I'm not taking.

I have not said Jared is guilty.

The media is made up of people. Those people made mistakes because they jumped to conclusions. You are a person. You are making the same mistake. You are part of SOCIAL media. Not only has he not been charged with anything yet, you can even be charged and there is still supposed to be the presumption of innocence without proof of guilt.

I have not jumped to any conclusion that isn't supported. I did however say "Of course he should get due process and a trial if it gets that far. No one has suggested otherwise"

Jared should get due process.

This was about YOU going overboard, not the government.

Well I haven't accused him of anything, I'm saying he should get due process if he's charged and that it's possible he isn't involved. If you think those statements are overboard, maybe you need to look inward.
 

Rudee

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If Jared Fogle had child pornography, and had half a brain, he would of disposed of any evidence of it when his associate was arrested in May.
 

KLin

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GoPackGo

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They should be able to have it sorted by now if he had any illegal material on his computer(s). Also the FBI could have been more discreet.
 
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They should be able to have it sorted by now if he had any illegal material on his computer(s). Also the FBI could have been more discreet.

They will spend weeks carefully combing through his machines to make sure they identify all child porn or potential child porn before charging. It's tricky for the authorities, in many cases, to identify whether or not particular images are of children - this is why the FBI maintains its "Innocent Images" database of known child porn images. With images involving teenagers it can be very very tough to be certain whether or not they depict children.

The FBI has no duty to be discreet, and it's essential that raids of this nature be conducted in one fell swoop to avoid destruction of evidence. If the local special agent in charge had, say, called Fogle's lawyer and told him they would be serving a warrant the following day in plainclothes, Fogle would have had plenty of time to overwrite drives. I can't fault the FBI for handling this in this manner.
 

TheGardener

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Jared's going to have a hard time in prison. No pun intended. But then, you prey on kids and you deserve what you get.

This NY Post article doesn't have much different details than the Fox article, except this:

The probe followed the arrest of Russell Taylor, former director of Fogle’s children’s foundation, who allegedly videotaped naked kids as young as 9 in his home bathrooms

http://nypost.com/2015/08/18/subways-jared-to-plead-guilty-to-kiddie-porn-charges/

It kind of helps to put things in perspective. Neither article details what evidence they have on Jared. I guess the Feds decided to hold things close to the vest. Maybe tomorrow we'll know more.