It was crappy legislation.
Even though the polar bear population is increasing, lets put them on the endangered species list because *maybe* global warming will reduce there numbers.
It was crappy legislation.
Even though the polar bear population is increasing, lets put them on the endangered species list because *maybe* global warming will reduce there numbers.
I've always felt that governors have an experience advantage over legislators in presidential races. It isn't something I thought of today for the first time.
A campaign has some relevance in terms of experience, however I wouldn't give it the same weight as being a governor, mayor, or head of a large organization, governmental or corporate.
I don't consider experience as important as being right on the issues, leadership, or integrity, I would personally only look at it if those more important qualities were equal.
The dems best line of attack on Palin, is not too.
I took a spin through thinkprogress, dailykos and huffingtonpost and they are spazzing out. The most dirt that has been dragged up is the issue with the ex-brother-in-law. After reading up on that, it ain't much. A democrat special prosecutor is looking in to the issue, and has said so far the administration has been 100% cooperative.
They can't attack on experience, without bringing to light Obama's.
Corruption won't stick - she cleaned out the other GOP members
"The no time for the kids" - this could easily backfire.
Elitist - just won't work, cause she isn't.
Big oil - maybe, but one of the first things she did in office was trash the contract that was worked by the previous admin due to corruption - and started over. She has been working with the states interest in mind, not companies. Her husband works for BP as an operator, he is not a CEO, he is not on the board - just a guy who works on the north slope.
Their best bet is to focus on McCain and not even talk about Palin.
I took a spin through thinkprogress, dailykos and huffingtonpost and they are spazzing out. The most dirt that has been dragged up is the issue with the ex-brother-in-law. After reading up on that, it ain't much. A democrat special prosecutor is looking in to the issue, and has said so far the administration has been 100% cooperative.
They can't attack on experience, without bringing to light Obama's.
Corruption won't stick - she cleaned out the other GOP members
"The no time for the kids" - this could easily backfire.
Elitist - just won't work, cause she isn't.
Big oil - maybe, but one of the first things she did in office was trash the contract that was worked by the previous admin due to corruption - and started over. She has been working with the states interest in mind, not companies. Her husband works for BP as an operator, he is not a CEO, he is not on the board - just a guy who works on the north slope.
Their best bet is to focus on McCain and not even talk about Palin.
There are plenty of reasons to avoid electing McShame, but candidate for VP who advocates infecting our schools with the intellectual stupidity of creationism is all the reason we need to punt both of them to the sidelines.
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They certainly arent tearing her a new one.
Its called damage control. And the D's right now are hurt badly and trying to shore up a defense.
Give them a few days to get back on their feet and we'll see what happens.
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As opposed to someone who wants his own personal Gestapo and used to belong to a terrorist group??
Yeah, that teachin creationism, its gonna really hurt us! OH NOES!! OH NOES!! MUCH better to have an Anti-American terrorist in charge.
Granted a concerned parent could choose to PARENT and teach their kids evolution, but the Democrats dont want parents to be at all responsible for their children so that doesnt really work so well does it....
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sportage
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This, for one, debunks one thing Mccain has been saying, that Obama's vp pick would not influence his vp pick. Its obvious it did...
Second, she fits the republicans "three G's" standards... Guns, God and Gays.
Third, Mccain really thinks that Hillary voters just want a woman in the mix, doesn?t matter who as long as its a woman. Mccain is gravely WRONG!
Hillary voters loved Hillary because she WAS Hillary. Not just because she is a woman.
And last, for democrats this pick is moot.
Its the republicans that will have to realize Mccain has derailed the republican party from its traditional "old white mans club".
I can just feel republicans again fearing that Mccain is, as they have feared, NOT in the republican loop. Not a player. Not "one of them" at heart.
I almost feel sorry for republicans. It would be like if democrats picked Lieberman or old Zen Miller to be their candidate.
This has to, in reality, make republicans VERY VERY nervous about Mccain...
I can hear many of them saying in private... SEE, I told you so, Mccains just TOO different for us!
Second, she fits the republicans "three G's" standards... Guns, God and Gays.
Third, Mccain really thinks that Hillary voters just want a woman in the mix, doesn?t matter who as long as its a woman. Mccain is gravely WRONG!
Hillary voters loved Hillary because she WAS Hillary. Not just because she is a woman.
And last, for democrats this pick is moot.
Its the republicans that will have to realize Mccain has derailed the republican party from its traditional "old white mans club".
I can just feel republicans again fearing that Mccain is, as they have feared, NOT in the republican loop. Not a player. Not "one of them" at heart.
I almost feel sorry for republicans. It would be like if democrats picked Lieberman or old Zen Miller to be their candidate.
This has to, in reality, make republicans VERY VERY nervous about Mccain...
I can hear many of them saying in private... SEE, I told you so, Mccains just TOO different for us!
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Again, damage control. Seriously, how are they going to rail against Palin for lack of experience when Obama is on the D ticket?? Thats just comical. Its what we call "Pot meet kettle" to anyone with even a bit of common sense.
Wait...Ok. I see why you think their tearing her a new one. Never mind.
IMO, this is a good candidate, and McCain has made a remarkable move with this choice. An intelligent response is warranted, and cheap attacks are likely to backfire badly, especially in the view of what Obama's already stated with respect to negative ads.
To the contrary, an intelligent, positive response is warranted, and I think that many people will look for just that -- simply to see how well Obama plays this game. If he's out-thought by McCain here, it's not a good sign. A rash, cheap response would be just that; it would fail to serve Obama, and fail to address the broader concerns facing the nation.
One potential response would actually be to embrace this candidate positively, stressing her feminine and liberal aspects, and especially her position of "putting people first". Even McCain used such rhetoric in her introduction.
To the contrary, an intelligent, positive response is warranted, and I think that many people will look for just that -- simply to see how well Obama plays this game. If he's out-thought by McCain here, it's not a good sign. A rash, cheap response would be just that; it would fail to serve Obama, and fail to address the broader concerns facing the nation.
One potential response would actually be to embrace this candidate positively, stressing her feminine and liberal aspects, and especially her position of "putting people first". Even McCain used such rhetoric in her introduction.
That's LOTS MORE advocating of blatant stupidity in public education than I'm willing to tolerate.
Get this straight -- "Creation science" is NOT science. It's ooga booga mystery oil religious dogma. It has NO place in our public educational systems and even less of a place being advocated by our nation's leaders.
I think it's great that the repubs are trying to put an inexperienced middle aged alaskan bimbo just one volatile old codger's heartbeat away from the presidency...
I'm sure she'd make a great prez, in that do whatever her advisors tell her sort of way- she's perfect.
I'm sure she'd make a great prez, in that do whatever her advisors tell her sort of way- she's perfect.
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So to teach Gay is OK and Billy has 2 Mommies is acceptable, to force kids to practice Islam is ok, but to teach creationism and evolution is somehow bad?
I think maybe your looking at this with some seriously narrow blinders. Unless you yourself support gay and islamic indoctrination of schoolchildren. Push your party's agenda and discredit the competition's as...What was it? "ooga booga mystery oil religious dogma".....Unless its Islam, then its ok.
I love the smell of desperation in the morning The dems don't have a good avenue of attack, and they know it. You'll see all sorts of useless crap like the stuff about polar bears etc, which the voters will simply ignore anyway. The only key for McCain / Palin is to make sure she is well trained to make Biden look like a sexist bully when they debate.
Despite what the libs are saying, to me it's obvious that at least some percentage of hillary fans will go to Palin's side. Sure, she is completely different in political ideology, but not all hillary supporters cared that much about that, there are a significant number that cared about having a woman in the white house more than the political positions.
I did a small poll in the office this afternoon (in Ohio), and of the 24 democrats in office, 17 said they were Hillary supporters who were planning to vote for Obama. Of those 17, 9 said they were now going to vote McCain / Palin. The other 8 said they would not fall for the ploy, that Palin is not Hillary. The 9 that said they'd switch were pretty much unanimous in saying that it was about time that a woman would break the barrier and get into the white house. Sure, it's anecdotal and doesn't mean anything, but I really think you're going to see some portion of Hillary voters switch over.
The dems don't have a good avenue of attack, and they know it. You'll see all sorts of useless crap like the stuff about polar bears etc, which the voters will simply ignore anyway. The only key for McCain / Palin is to make sure she is well trained to make Biden look like a sexist bully when they debate.Despite what the libs are saying, to me it's obvious that at least some percentage of hillary fans will go to Palin's side. Sure, she is completely different in political ideology, but not all hillary supporters cared that much about that, there are a significant number that cared about having a woman in the white house more than the political positions.
I did a small poll in the office this afternoon (in Ohio), and of the 24 democrats in office, 17 said they were Hillary supporters who were planning to vote for Obama. Of those 17, 9 said they were now going to vote McCain / Palin. The other 8 said they would not fall for the ploy, that Palin is not Hillary. The 9 that said they'd switch were pretty much unanimous in saying that it was about time that a woman would break the barrier and get into the white house. Sure, it's anecdotal and doesn't mean anything, but I really think you're going to see some portion of Hillary voters switch over.
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Heh. I'm just trying to address the issue in terms that the usual dittohead would understand, the same terms that the rightwing would obviously be flinging about in great abandon and glee if Obama had proposed a similar pick from his side of things. Well, except there's no complication wrt Obama's age...
Was she a POW, too?
Was she a POW, too?
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Am I wrong? Answer the question, keep the fluff to your bowling club.
Is it ok to teach Gay is OK and make students practice Islam in school, but not teach creationism?
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Whoa there, idiot child. Exactly WHAT does Palin advocating creationism have to do with any of the other issues you listed?
On gay issues, Palin's as wrong as she is advocating creationism. I'm not even going to get into the rest of the blatant bullshit you just posted unless you manage to dredge up some link between her and those issues.
I believe ALL religions are ooga booga mystery oil. To be more precise, I believe they are all political power structures based on myth, fear, willing ignorance and blatant stupidity.
Hmm, I might be willing to bet McCain gets it if that should happen, I know I'd be more motivated to vote for her
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