How to properly abandon your child in NY

[ShawnD1]

How is it that these people don't know there are places to leave a baby besides a trashcan. I'm really curious if they have any idea that this exists or if they're just afraid of getting caught or something equally dumb.

A lot of people are not aware that it's legal to ditch a baby somewhere. A lot of people also don't know how to put stuff up for adoption or where to find that information. I've never been pregnant, so I don't know where to find that either. Who do you talk to? If you're surrounded by a bunch of retards who will just guilt trip you about wanting to give it up, then straight up murder is the only way out.

 

[fskimospy]

You're of course assuming every teen mom would abort. You're of course wrong. Many are thrilled with the idea (at first) of having a child, and only realize how tough it is when the kid is already here. About a year back, the Washington Post profiled two sisters who had both had babies as teen agers, and both pregnancies were planned to make their relationships with their boyfriends stronger. The boyfriends might not have thought the same way, of course.

He really wasn't assuming that. He just said there would be fewer if access to abortion were greater for teenagers, which is a reasonable assumption.

 

[Mursilis]

It truely is amazing how everybody but the mother is responsible for this disgusting act of cruelty.

Because it's Republicans' fault! It's always Republicans' fault!

 

[Genx87]

abstinence only doesn't work. if you really want to stop instances of stories like this, you have to teach proper sex ed, otherwise things like this will continue. you have to teach the consequences of sex, and say just don't do it.

I am not entirely sure how to respond to this. Are you insinuating I am for abstinence only education? What does it have to do with my response about people blaming others instead of the mother?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

abstinence only doesn't work. if you really want to stop instances of stories like this, you have to teach proper sex ed, otherwise things like this will continue. you have to teach the consequences of sex, and not say just don't do it.

I live in NY and they push push push contraception. I don't know where you live but condoms are available here, everyone is taught proper use and the only thing not done is having condom police. Don't even think about bringing abstinence ed into it.

These girls don't care, end of story.

 

[fskimospy]

I live in NY and they push push push contraception. I don't know where you live but condoms are available here, everyone is taught proper use and the only thing not done is having condom police. Don't even think about bringing abstinence ed into it.

These girls don't care, end of story.

That's good news, because comprehensive sex ed like that which is taught in NY is a lot more effective at preventing teen pregnancy than abstinence only. It can't eliminate things like this, (what could?) but it's good to hear that NY state has good sex education practices.

 

[Atreus21]

I don't care if I do derail my own thread, but I'd like to know from pro-choice folks why this is deplorable, yet this:

The fetus is turned to a breech position, if necessary, and the doctor pulls one or both legs out of the cervix, which some refer to as 'partial birth' of the fetus. The doctor subsequently extracts the rest of the fetus, leaving only the head still inside the uterus. An incision is made at the base of the skull, a blunt dissector (such as a Kelly clamp) is inserted into the incision and opened to widen the opening,[4] and then a suction catheter is inserted into the opening. The brain is suctioned out, which causes the skull to collapse and allows the fetus to pass more easily through the cervix. The placenta is removed and the uterine wall is vacuum aspirated using a cannula.[5]p

...with all liberal justices in dissent, was only narrowly kept illegal by a 5-4 SCOTUS decision 4 years ago.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

That's good news, because comprehensive sex ed like that which is taught in NY is a lot more effective at preventing teen pregnancy than abstinence only. It can't eliminate things like this, (what could?) but it's good to hear that NY state has good sex education practices.

For all the bitching I do about government I have to say that Ny has a good public education system.

 

[fskimospy]

I don't care if I do derail my own thread, but I'd like to know from pro-choice folks why this is deplorable, yet this:



...with all liberal justices in dissent, was only narrowly kept illegal by a 5-4 SCOTUS decision 4 years ago.

Oh boy, I really want to have the abortion discussion again.

And by that I mean I do not want to have the abortion discussion again.

 

[Texashiker]

Extraordinarily saddening.

What do you suppose is worse? That mothers are tossing babies into the garbage or that we're trying to counsel them to abandon them in a peaceful manner?

Texas has a Moses law, its probably saved dozens of newborns from being thrown in the dumpster.

From time to time the news will report of a teenage girl handing her baby over at a fire department and walking away. The child is given to child protection services, where its put up for adoption.

There is nothing "bad" about safely handing your child over to someone that will take care of it.

 

[shira]

You're of course assuming every teen mom would abort. You're of course wrong. Many are thrilled with the idea (at first) of having a child, and only realize how tough it is when the kid is already here. About a year back, the Washington Post profiled two sisters who had both had babies as teen agers, and both pregnancies were planned to make their relationships with their boyfriends stronger. The boyfriends might not have thought the same way, of course.

Read my post. I'm not "of course assuming" anything. Easier access to abortions doesn't mean every teenage girl will get one, it means MORE teenage girls will get one. And that in turn means "fewer" (read my post) - not "0" - babies in garbage chutes.

 

[Jhhnn]

Texas has a Moses law, its probably saved dozens of newborns from being thrown in the dumpster.

From time to time the news will report of a teenage girl handing her baby over at a fire department and walking away. The child is given to child protection services, where its put up for adoption.

There is nothing "bad" about safely handing your child over to someone that will take care of it.

Indeed. Moses was lucky not to have become a snack for a Nile crocodile.

Colorado law has similar provisions, and I'm all for it.

 

[polarmystery]

No words...no words...

 

[Ronstang]

If abortions were easy to obtain, there'd be fewer teenage mothers having to throw their unwanted babies down garbage chutes.

The anti-abortion crowd is reaping what it sows.

This is the one issue I don't hold the conservative view on, I say let them abort away. Most of these unwanted babies that are not adopted off to good families are born into the welfare system anyway. Much cheaper to just avoid their enrollment.

 

[lothar]

I don't understand what is wrong with teaching teenagers how to safely give up unwanted children.

There's nothing wrong with that.

What I don't understand is why their state politicians need to waste time crafting such a meaningless bill. They have nothing else to do? Like balance their own budgets?
Leave it to the school boards/superintendents and the health education teachers.

 

[lothar]

If abortions were easy to obtain, there'd be fewer teenage mothers having to throw their unwanted babies down garbage chutes.

The anti-abortion crowd is reaping what it sows.

Abortion isn't easy to obtain in New York?
Oral Contraceptives are not easy to obtain in New York?

This is New York we're talking about, not some redneck hick bible belt state.
If it was a redneck hick bible belt state, then yes you would have a point.

 

[lothar]

I cant imagine throwing my child down a trash chute.

Should I bother guessing the race of the mothers in the article?

 

[Jhhnn]

There's nothing wrong with that.

What I don't understand is why their state politicians need to waste time crafting such a meaningless bill. They have nothing else to do? Like balance their own budgets?
Leave it to the school boards/superintendents and the health education teachers.

They're just trying to make sure the word gets out to everybody. That's not meaningless.

 

[Zorkorist]

A baby, or any person is not alive, or a person, until they become sensient.

A trashcan baby is little more than a trashcan baby.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

They're just trying to make sure the word gets out to everybody. That's not meaningless.

It is meaningless. It's not a life.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

I've lead life, and for sure I can tell you that if I was aborted, I would not have had the slightest idea I was aborted.

I wasn't alive.

-John

 

[wuliheron]

From her picture I'd guess she was Latino and likely Catholic. Fundamentalists love to criticize everyone for their immorality and fight things like sex education, but the truth is the Bible belt has the highest rates of abortion and STDs in the country. Sometimes those who object the loudest need to hear the message more then anyone else and be confronted with their hypocrisy.

 

[Genx87]

From her picture I'd guess she was Latino and likely Catholic. Fundamentalists love to criticize everyone for their immorality and fight things like sex education, but the truth is the Bible belt has the highest rates of abortion and STDs in the country. Sometimes those who object the loudest need to hear the message more then anyone else and be confronted with their hypocrisy.

Interesting analysis but Catholics are not fundamentalist and the bible belt is predominantly not catholic. On top of that, this took place in NYC, not the bible belt. I think you are writing to read yourself, much like a blowhard talks to listen to himself.

 

[Craig234]

Mothers abandoning babies is an issue that goes back millenia.

Infanticide was very common; then it went through evolutions where it was considered wrong to kill a baby, but leaving it out in the wilderness, killed by exposure, was ok.

As one article notes:

at the height of Rome's power historians estimate that 20-40% of all babies were exposed. Many died, others were taken by procurers to be raised and sold into slavery or prostitution.

Before the renaissance, churches began to commonly accept babies with doors they could be left at anonymously.

For a time during the Italian Renaissance, an estimated 50% of all babies were abandoned to die or be rescued by orphanages or procurers. Although church law prohibited infanticide, legislation was inconsistent at the state level, and prosecution was rare.

By Victorian times:

Infanticide, generally by suffocation via the practice of "overlaying" or by deliberate abuse and neglect at the hands of "baby farmers," was so common in Victorian times that by the 1860's it was considered to be a crisis. Changes in social conditions had resulted in an explosion of illegitimate births starting around 1750, and by the early Victorian Era, about 1 in 3 babies were estimated to be illegitimate. Many of these babies were killed due to shame or poverty.

As a result of this crisis, the Victorian era was the first to put serious effort into reducing rates of infanticide. Numerous foundling houses were established during this period in an attempt to reduce the problem, and laws were strengthened and often applied for the first time. However, Victorian juries were often reluctant to apply capital punishment to women, so many cases continued to go unpunished or untried.

http://hubpages.com/hub/Infanticide

This isn't taught in history class generally, so many are unaware of the history.

 

[Thump553]

I cant imagine throwing my child down a trash chute.

(blatant racial stereotyping portion omitted)

Wait until they are teenagers and then get back to me on that.

Seriously though, distasteful as they are safe haven laws (and more importantly publicizing them to new mothers) has been proven over and over again to greatly reduced this sort of needless tragedy. My state adopted such a law about a decade ago over the strenuous objections of "conservatives" who claimed it was anti-family.