How to properly abandon your child in NY

Atreus21

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http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Baby-Safe-Haven-High-School-Health-Curriculum-122653389.html

NY Officials Want Schools to Teach About Unwanted Baby Laws
Thursday, May 26, 2011 | Updated 9:54 AM EDT

A newborn was thrown eight stories down a trash chute last weekend. He survived and his mother was arrested.
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After two young moms recently abandoned their newborn babies -- one of whom did not survive -- New York officials are proposing that high school curriculum include lessons on what mothers can do if they give birth to a baby they don't want.

Brooklyn District Attorney Charles Hynes, State Sen. Eric Adams and State Assemblyman Hakim Jeffries are proposing state legislation requiring the change to high school health curriculum.

The officials envision students being taught in public school about so-called "safe haven laws," which allow a parent to leave a newborn anonymously without prosecution as long as the newborn is abandoned in a safe way.

Parents do not face charges if they bring a newborn to a hospital, police station or fire station that is staffed.

Last weekend, a baby was thrown eight stories down a Brooklyn housing project trash chute and discovered hours later.

The baby boy fell on a mountain of trash and was miraculously not injured.

His mother, 18-year-old Laquasia Wright, was arrested on charges of attempted murder and endangering the welfare of a child.

And just two weeks earlier, another newborn was found in the trash at a Queens hospital. The child was found alive but later died.

The mother, Dawa Lama, 23, was arrested.

Extraordinarily saddening.

What do you suppose is worse? That mothers are tossing babies into the garbage or that we're trying to counsel them to abandon them in a peaceful manner?

On the other hand, what should one expect in a society where the right to destroy your own offspring is championed as women's liberation?
 

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I don't see how you can really say leaving a baby at a safe-haven location is terrible when they'd be available for adoption, no? Would you rather have them aborted or thrown in the trash? I think this is pretty obvious as long as it's actually taught correctly. Frankly, any good health teacher would bring that up anyway.
 

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On the other hand, what should one expect in a society where the right to destroy your own offspring is championed as women's liberation?

Wouldn't you rather have the mothers give the babies up peacefully, rather than abortion? Pro-life people can't have it both ways.
 

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What a sad reflection on the state of our society. Instead of learning about math or economics, kids now are required to learn how to properly "dispose" of unwanted children. Absurd and sad.
 

Sinsear

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I cant imagine throwing my child down a trash chute.

Should i bother guessing the race of the mothers in the article?
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Teaching how to abandon babies isn't something to teach in health ed. What should be encouraged is counseling and options given then.
 

waggy

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Teaching how to abandon babies isn't something to teach in health ed. What should be encouraged is counseling and options given then.

thats what they are doing. counseling them the options and helping them do it. while not something some think is right its better then what many kids have done.
 

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Extraordinarily saddening.

What do you suppose is worse? That mothers are tossing babies into the garbage or that we're trying to counsel them to abandon them in a peaceful manner?

On the other hand, what should one expect in a society where the right to destroy your own offspring is championed as women's liberation?

If abortions were easy to obtain, there'd be fewer teenage mothers having to throw their unwanted babies down garbage chutes.

The anti-abortion crowd is reaping what it sows.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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thats what they are doing. counseling them the options and helping them do it. while not something some think is right its better then what many kids have done.

The article reads as if the curriculum is being changed, as in this being taught as regular material. I'm fine with students being counseled in an appropriate setting which is not the classroom itself. If that's being proposed, then I'm fine with it. General lessons? I don't think so.
 

shira

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Extraordinarily saddening.

What do you suppose is worse? That mothers are tossing babies into the garbage or that we're trying to counsel them to abandon them in a peaceful manner?

On the other hand, what should one expect in a society where the right to destroy your own offspring is championed as women's liberation?

Responsibly giving a baby to CPS is not "abandoning" a child.

But keep on trolling.
 

waggy

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If abortions were easy to obtain, there'd be fewer teenage mothers having to throw their unwanted babies down garbage chutes.

The anti-abortion crowd is reaping what it sows.

i think the relegious idiots are the cause of this mess. they don't want real sex ed, don't want kids useing birth control and anti abortion. With it being "wrong" for a child to have a child kids are doing whatever they can to not ruin there future.

from throwing the infants in the garbage to trying to miscarriage.
 

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What a sad reflection on the state of our society. Instead of learning about math or economics, kids now are required to learn how to properly "dispose" of unwanted children. Absurd and sad.

I'm sure they cut math out of the curriculum for baby dumping class.
 

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Should i bother guessing the race of the mothers in the article?

You could just say it instead of wimping out, but it would be pointless to point out unless you're just grossly misinformed or prejudiced.
 

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I fail to see what is wrong with adding a couple of sentences to a health education class that informs young people that it is perfectly legal to give-up an unwanted child at the hospital, firehall or police station. This is simply informing them of the law so they do not remain ignorant and feel they have to throw the kid in the trash.
 

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I don't understand what is wrong with teaching teenagers how to safely give up unwanted children.
 

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On the other hand, what should one expect in a society where the right to destroy your own offspring is championed as women's liberation?

Keep shooting abortion doctors in the face and calling women walking into a clinic "whore" and "murderer".

My, what wonderful changes pro-lifers have brought unto this world,...
 

dawp

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Maybe teach the proper use of a condom, with a live demonstration.
 

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I don't see how you can really say leaving a baby at a safe-haven location is terrible when they'd be available for adoption, no? Would you rather have them aborted or thrown in the trash? I think this is pretty obvious as long as it's actually taught correctly. Frankly, any good health teacher would bring that up anyway.

We should stick to Jesus only education. Don't use condoms, don't use birth control hormone treatments. If you are preggers, you need to stick with it then throw it in a dumpster at a later time. That's how Jesus would want it. Only satanists in third world countries like France or Germany would advocate things like condoms, IEDs and how to dump a baby at a hospital.
 

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i think the relegious idiots are the cause of this mess. they don't want real sex ed, don't want kids useing birth control and anti abortion. With it being "wrong" for a child to have a child kids are doing whatever they can to not ruin there future.

from throwing the infants in the garbage to trying to miscarriage.

It truely is amazing how everybody but the mother is responsible for this disgusting act of cruelty.
 

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How is it that these people don't know there are places to leave a baby besides a trashcan. I'm really curious if they have any idea that this exists or if they're just afraid of getting caught or something equally dumb.
 

dawp

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It truely is amazing how everybody but the mother is responsible for this disgusting act of cruelty.

abstinence only doesn't work. if you really want to stop instances of stories like this, you have to teach proper sex ed, otherwise things like this will continue. you have to teach the consequences of sex, and not say just don't do it.
 

Atreus21

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How is it that these people don't know there are places to leave a baby besides a trashcan. I'm really curious if they have any idea that this exists or if they're just afraid of getting caught or something equally dumb.

That's kind of what I was wondering. Do you think these people threw the infants in the trash because they honestly felt they had no other choice?
 

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If abortions were easy to obtain, there'd be fewer teenage mothers having to throw their unwanted babies down garbage chutes.

The anti-abortion crowd is reaping what it sows.

You're of course assuming every teen mom would abort. You're of course wrong. Many are thrilled with the idea (at first) of having a child, and only realize how tough it is when the kid is already here. About a year back, the Washington Post profiled two sisters who had both had babies as teen agers, and both pregnancies were planned to make their relationships with their boyfriends stronger. The boyfriends might not have thought the same way, of course.