How to control the people : Keep them stupid and uninformed

[buckshot24]

Read the link, and it your question magically is answered.

No it doesn't. Do you have to accept the "Modern Synthesis" to be "adhering to science"?

 

[Moonbeam]

I grew into this position. I'm the only one who can't express his opinion on this issue? Why?

Why do you think? In the first place you are rather cagey, in my opinion, actually expressing what your opinions are based on and why they persuade you. But I think you get the reaction you do because you represent a perceived existential threat, say the dark ages and the Spanish Inquisition. You are guilty of the Great Liberal Sin, of being unreasonable and refusing to be reasoned out of it. You are a threat to the evolution of liberalism, calling us back to night terrors and monsters at the edges of the map. Liberals are very proud of being rational, you could even say egotistical about it, so you threaten the core values that give them a feeling of self worth, a substitute one for where that should be filled by an organic sense of self worth. It's sort of like not being able to rest because somebody made a mistake on the internet.

None of that, however, changes whether your opinions are correct. It's just how liberals are, exactly like conservatives when the conditions are right, angry that the other dares to exist. It is a mistake, in my opinion, to take the irrationality of others as a sign that your own opinion on something is therefore correct. For example, I was quite sure that everything I told you over the course of this thread was absolutely the truth as I see it. But I was wrong. I told you I would not argue religion but I would argue scientific opinion. Not that I have had a chance to look at your third way material, I can see that I would have to acquaint myself with a ton of what I suspect is smelly fish, I would have to work very hard and learn lots of stuff I am basically not interested in. It would for me be the same as trying to get up to speed on climate change to argue against those deniers. While I love science, I just am past a time when I want to be front line up to snuff on stuff that would take me away from building a well armed paladin in WOW. My present belief is that this third way stuff is likely to be swill and I will await on the sidelines as the real experts fight it out as to who is right and who is proposing junk science instead.

All these debates seem to swell up over fields where money is at stake or where some form of ego gratification has come under attack. I defeated the Nothing. That's enough victory for me.

 

[buckshot24]

Why do you think? In the first place you are rather cagey, in my opinion, actually expressing what your opinions are based on and why they persuade you. But I think you get the reaction you do because you represent a perceived existential threat, say the dark ages and the Spanish Inquisition. You are guilty of the Great Liberal Sin, of being unreasonable and refusing to be reasoned out of it. You are a threat to the evolution of liberalism, calling us back to night terrors and monsters at the edges of the map. Liberals are very proud of being rational, you could even say egotistical about it, so you threaten the core values that give them a feeling of self worth, a substitute one for where that should be filled by an organic sense of self worth. It's sort of like not being able to rest because somebody made a mistake on the internet.

None of that, however, changes whether your opinions are correct. It's just how liberals are, exactly like conservatives when the conditions are right, angry that the other dares to exist. It is a mistake, in my opinion, to take the irrationality of others as a sign that your own opinion on something is therefore correct. For example, I was quite sure that everything I told you over the course of this thread was absolutely the truth as I see it. But I was wrong. I told you I would not argue religion but I would argue scientific opinion. Not that I have had a chance to look at your third way material, I can see that I would have to acquaint myself with a ton of what I suspect is smelly fish, I would have to work very hard and learn lots of stuff I am basically not interested in. It would for me be the same as trying to get up to speed on climate change to argue against those deniers. While I love science, I just am past a time when I want to be front line up to snuff on stuff that would take me away from building a well armed paladin in WOW. My present belief is that this third way stuff is likely to be swill and I will await on the sidelines as the real experts fight it out as to who is right and who is proposing junk science instead.

All these debates seem to swell up over fields where money is at stake or where some form of ego gratification has come under attack. I defeated the Nothing. That's enough victory for me.

I do love you Moonie! I think you've misunderstood me though about the "third way" I mentioned earlier. I do not advocate for that position its just indicative of the unsatisfactoriness the "Modern Synthesis" in the eyes of a lot of scientists. Modern discoveries isn't being kind to the old view.

 

[ch33zw1z]

No it doesn't. Do you have to accept the "Modern Synthesis" to be "adhering to science"?

Your lack of reading is saddening. So here's another link to read. Eventually, 2+2 will not equal whatever it is you want it to be.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

 

[IronWing]

They call him Flipper, Flipper, faster than lightning,
No-one you see, is smarter than he,
And we know Flipper, lives in a world full of wonder,
Flying there-under, under the sea!
Everyone loves the king of the sea,
Ever so kind and gentle is he,
Tricks he will do when children appear,
And how they laugh when he's near!
They call him Flipper, Flipper, faster than lightning,
No-one you see, is smarter than he,
And we know Flipper, lives in a world full of wonder,
Flying there-under, under the sea!

 

[Bowfinger]

The "third way" isn't coming from nothing. There is a reason there is a movement. Because the old DNA mutation version is dying.

Yes, it's coming from a desire to sell books. The consensus of experts in the field appears to be that your so-called "third way" has nothing novel, but is simply a misleading repackaging of modern evolutionary theory. It is commonly understood -- and taught today -- that organisms' development is influenced by additional factors beyond just DNA. That's how science works, you see. As new information becomes available, theories are refined. They evolve, so to speak.

 

[IronWing]

Eventually, 2+2 will not equal whatever it is you want it to be.

That's not science!

 

[Victorian Gray]

They call him Flipper, Flipper, faster than lightning,
No-one you see, is smarter than he,
And we know Flipper, lives in a world full of wonder,
Flying there-under, under the sea!
Everyone loves the king of the sea,
Ever so kind and gentle is he,
Tricks he will do when children appear,
And how they laugh when he's near!
They call him Flipper, Flipper, faster than lightning,
No-one you see, is smarter than he,
And we know Flipper, lives in a world full of wonder,
Flying there-under, under the sea!

I loved that show when I was a kid.

 

[buckshot24]

Yes, it's coming from a desire to sell books. The consensus of experts in the field appears to be that your so-called "third way" has nothing novel, but is simply a misleading repackaging of modern evolutionary theory. It is commonly understood -- and taught today -- that organisms' development is influenced by additional factors beyond just DNA. That's how science works, you see. As new information becomes available, theories are refined. They evolve, so to speak.

It isn't my third way.

 

[BurnItDwn]

I grew into this position. I'm the only one who can't express his opinion on this issue? Why?

You did not share an opinion. You made an assertion. Assertions are different from opinions.
That being said, you are free to say whatever you want, no matter how false it may be, but, when I see the same ad nauseam bullshit assertions being made over and over again, I will gladly shit on the parade.

 

[buckshot24]

Your lack of reading is saddening. So here's another link to read. Eventually, 2+2 will not equal whatever it is you want it to be.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

It isn't in there. Do you have to accept the "Modern Synthesis" to be "adhering to science"?

 

[Bowfinger]

What arguments based off of probability have I made? Please cite them and explain why they are flawed as well.

I already did. Your initial example was off by 20 or so orders of magnitude, changing the result from highly unlikely to essentially certain (based on YOUR floor of 10^60). If you'd bother to read the article I linked, you'll find it even more thoroughly refutes you.

 

[buckshot24]

You did not share an opinion. You made an assertion. Assertions are different from opinions.
That being said, you are free to say whatever you want, no matter how false it may be, but, when I see the same ad nauseam bullshit assertions being made over and over again, I will gladly shit on the parade.

Yeah, an assertion of my opinion.

 

[Bowfinger]

It isn't my third way.

You're the one who cited it, but this ultimately has zero to do with anything. This is the sort of dishonest evasion we've come to expect from you. Your "third way" is a scheme to sell books. It doesn't contradict modern evolution theories at all.

 

[buckshot24]

I already did. Your initial example was off by 20 or so orders of magnitude, changing the result from highly unlikely to essentially certain (based on YOUR floor of 10^60). If you'd bother to read the article I linked, you'll find it even more thoroughly refutes you.

Then you haven't understood anything. I wasn't making that sort of probability argument.

 

[ch33zw1z]

It isn't in there. Do you have to accept the "Modern Synthesis" to be "adhering to science"?

I haven't answered your question, because the answers are literally staring at you.

 

[buckshot24]

I haven't answered your question, because the answers are literally staring at you.

No they are not.

 

[MrDudeMan]

After reading through this thread, one thing is apparent: I have no clue what b24 believes or why. In the face of observable, measurable, and repeatable evidence, no opposing positions have been rendered or explained. I don't have a dog in this fight at the moment, so I thought I'd verbalize what others already have in an attempt to get b24 to write something of actual substance instead of "good job" or "you don't understand anything."

 

[Bowfinger]

Then you haven't understood anything. I wasn't making that sort of probability argument.

I understand -- we all understand -- that when you are cornered in your buckshit, you change the subject and claim that what you said isn't really what you meant. You are consistently dishonest, and show no willingness to participate in good faith here.

 

[ch33zw1z]

No they are not.

Then you're not reading. Spending all your time squabbling about whatever.

 

[buckshot24]

You're the one who cited it, but this ultimately has zero to do with anything. This is the sort of dishonest evasion we've come to expect from you. Your "third way" is a scheme to sell books. It doesn't contradict modern evolution theories at all.

Yes I did, for a specific purpose. I reject it, it isn't "mine" in any sense.

 

[Bowfinger]

I haven't answered your question, because the answers are literally staring at you.

In fairness, he is staring at them through a tightly-clenched sphincter, so he probably can't see them very well.

 

[buckshot24]

I understand -- we all understand -- that when you are cornered in your buckshit, you change the subject and claim that what you said isn't really what you meant. You are consistently dishonest, and show no willingness to participate in good faith here.

Wrong again. You misinterpreted me, period. Now you're just lying. You lie about what I said and what my arguments are then call me dishonest because your lies are "true".

 

[buckshot24]

Then you're not reading. Spending all your time squabbling about whatever.

They aren't there.

 

[IronWing]

After reading through this thread, one thing is apparent: I have no clue what b24 believes or why. In the face of observable, measurable, and repeatable evidence, no opposing positions have been rendered or explained. I don't have a dog in this fight at the moment, so I thought I'd verbalize what others already have in an attempt to get b24 to write something of actual substance instead of "good job" or "you don't understand anything."

You don't understand anything. Good job.