How the PlayStation 4 is better than a PC

[cmdrdredd]

But Im pretty sure most ppl dont buy PS3/TV combos, or if they do, its for college.. Difference, is The tv is something everyone will have... IF you have a pc or console.. Most likely ppl dont run out and buy a ps3 with no TV to play it on..

And to be honest with you hardcore gamers.... US casual gamers, couldn't give a crap about a little AA, or how things are smoothed over and shaded a little better.. Its a game, its not a piece of art.. I like the Xbox interface, Live, Layout, playability and performance , Is a Gaming PC better, Obviously, as it should be for 10 times the price , But not everyone cares about seeing trees or sidewalks smoothed out, from a little AA and we just actually enjoy the game for what it is

Some people are dropping $2000+ for a few video cards, now for something the PS4 will accomplish on release date!

They don't care because they don't know. If they saw the difference side by side, they'd say something like "wow that really cleans up the image".

The PS4 will not accomplish on release what 2x Titan SLI would do today. The PS4 already has Global Illumination turned off in UE4 demos while a single GTX 680 can turn it on. Same framerate.

 

[BrightCandle]

The PS4 is going to be good value for the hardware that is in it, no doubt about it. But its not going to be as performant as a high end PC, that is clearly not right because it doesn't have the hardware to do that.

My guess is equivalent performance is going to be around $700-$800 for a PC, which means if you are down in the mid range of kit then for at least a year or two the PS4 is better value and it will be a whole lot less awkward to game on.

But there is another economic argument here. Game price. Most PC games I buy are around £30, highs of £40 but mostly less than £30. When they go on sale they can be under £10, and the sales are happening pretty quickly after release (Tomb raider on sale this weekend for example). Console games are still £40-£50 on the PS3 and xbox 360. You save about £15 everytime you buy a game, with about £300 difference between the hardware the price crossing point is going to be somewhere around 20 games. Which in 5 years I am pretty certain most gamers will easily acquire.

 

[mj79]

They don't care because they don't know. If they saw the difference side by side, they'd say something like "wow that really cleans up the image".

The PS4 will not accomplish on release what 2x Titan SLI would do today. The PS4 already has Global Illumination turned off in UE4 demos while a single GTX 680 can turn it on. Same framerate.

I dont care, your right, But I DO notice a difference.. Major? Nope, not to me at least, More fine tuning, fit n finish type differences.. Yes a Gaming PC Has cleaner, crisp graphics, shading etc and with AA, they do look much better.. Is it worth the $4000 gaming rig to go with it?? Hell no, not to me at least... "IF" We had full blown 4K technology all settled in, like Bluray/1080p is now, then maybe I could see justifying the difference

 

[futurefields]

The PS4 will not accomplish on release what 2x Titan SLI would do today.

I'll go even further and say it won't accomplish what a single Titan can do today.

The entire system has to use less than 200 watts. Don't be shocked when PS4 games come out rendering sub-1080p. Especially late-gen 2017-2018 when they are really trying to ramp up the effects to match gaming PC's 5 years from now, they will prob drop the res to 720p or even maybe all the way back down to 600p again, so they can render the same shader fx that PC's in 2018 are doing.

Global Illumination? All gaming PC's by 2015 will be able to do GI like it's nothing, PS4 will struggle with equivelant shader fx + global illumination + @ 1080p.... probably wont even happen at 1080p for PS4.

The entire system has to run on less than 200 watts, thats for the fancy gpu, the 8gb fancy ram, the fancy 8 core CPU.

PS4 is underpowered. Laws of physics.

 

[aigomorla]

Jesus christ. I wasn't even interested in discussing PC versus console, that's an entirely different argument, one that I don't care to get caught up in. Neither side will budge on this argument, ever. I will say, that while I like surround I highly suspect that most console users don't care. Anyway, I'm only saying the display cost shouldn't be a factor in either because it is highly variable. I don't know you managed to sneak surround into this, but the salient point was merely the display cost. It should not be a factor when comparing system costs IMO.

i completely agree with you..

i dont think the console should EVER be compared to a PC.

NEVER.. its like comparing...

vs

while holding onto the price ratio of the two up top compared.

You see how silly that looks? thats how it looks to us pc people when guys start busting out console vs pc.

 

[BrightCandle]

The PS4 has a GPU that shows performance somewhere around a 7850. Its got similar levels of bandwidth once you take away the CPUs usage and roughly similar compute performance. That's a decent mid range card but its not a 680, 7970 or a Titan.

 

[aigomorla]

The PS4 has a GPU that shows performance somewhere around a 7850. Its got similar levels of bandwidth once you take away the CPUs usage and roughly similar compute performance. That's a decent mid range card but its not a 680, 7970 or a Titan.

consoles are frame limited.

did they get rid of this?

if i recall, console makers tell the public u dont need more then 30fps on a console.

We gamers say Vsync? huh? whats that... more fps the better!

 

[Erenhardt]

I'll go even further and say it won't accomplish what a single Titan can do today.

The entire system has to use less than 200 watts. Don't be shocked when PS4 games come out rendering sub-1080p. Especially late-gen 2017-2018 when they are really trying to ramp up the effects to match gaming PC's 5 years from now, they will prob drop the res to 720p or even maybe all the way back down to 600p again, so they can render the same shader fx that PC's in 2018 are doing.

Global Illumination? All gaming PC's by 2015 will be able to do GI like it's nothing, PS4 will struggle with equivelant shader fx + global illumination + @ 1080p.... probably wont even happen at 1080p for PS4.

The entire system has to run on less than 200 watts, thats for the fancy gpu, the 8gb fancy ram, the fancy 8 core CPU.

PS4 is underpowered. Laws of physics.

Thank you Future Fields... Can you do one more thing for me? Send me a PM with lottery results for the whole next week. That shouldn't be a problem for you since you can see what will be in 5 years from now. Thanks in advance.

 

[Sohaltang]

u also forget the PC has 3d gaming possibility... stereosopic 3d...

You can also multi screen game on a PC which u cant on a console.


Basically u can surround yourself in monitors and game on a PC.
You can only dream about that on a

1. My PS3 has been gaming in stereoscopic 3d for years now. I'm sure the PS4 also include this feature. The whole family watches bluray steroscopic 3d films. The kids love it. Personally it got old for me after a few months.

2. Multi monitor setups are [not cool]. I own one of these very $$ gaming rigs. Won't ever buy multi monitors. It looks like crap. The only way I would be interested if the screens were seamless. You got super resolutions, fast screens, and 3d capability and its all ruined by big gaps in the multi monitor screen. Just give me a big 1080p screen and the 99% will be happy with that.


Mod note: post edited to remove politically incorrect usage of the word "gay".

Please avoid insensitive remarks like that in the future in the tech forums.

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[futurefields]

Thank you Future Fields... Can you do more thing for me? Send me a PM with lottery results for the whole next week. That shouldn't be a problem for you since you see what is 5 years from now. Thanks in advance.

Huh?

 

[aigomorla]

1. My PS3 has been gaming in stereoscopic 3d for years now. I'm sure the PS4 also include this feature. The whole family watches bluray steroscopic 3d films. The kids love it. Personally it got old for me after a few months.

2. Multi monitor setups are [not cool]. I own one of these very $$ gaming rigs. Won't ever buy multi monitors. It looks like crap. The only way I would be interested if the screens were seamless. You got super resolutions, fast screens, and 3d capability and its all ruined by big gaps in the multi monitor screen. Just give me a big 1080p screen and the 99% will be happy with that.

1. blue ray movies and 3d games are a completely different ball game.
If it was that simple.. the basic HTPC could play 3d games.

2. Oh really? how come 99.9% of the people who see my desk always comment with a WTF!!!!
And when they see me game on all 3 go even more OMGWTFBBQ.

You can tell i am a hardcore gamer... i have a full arsenal of top of the line logitech gear sitting on the desk too.

Do u console people REALLY want to compare yourself against a user like me?
This is why i keep saying... Console VS PC wars are just straight up stupid...

The only time i use a console is when its a console only release....
Console wins this backwards and silly... cuz PC cant HAVE!

There is still a LOT of games which is CONSOLE only... hence a person like me has to use both if we want the best games to play while bored.

 

[Cloudfire777]

I'll go even further and say it won't accomplish what a single Titan can do today.

The entire system has to use less than 200 watts. Don't be shocked when PS4 games come out rendering sub-1080p. Especially late-gen 2017-2018 when they are really trying to ramp up the effects to match gaming PC's 5 years from now, they will prob drop the res to 720p or even maybe all the way back down to 600p again, so they can render the same shader fx that PC's in 2018 are doing.

Global Illumination? All gaming PC's by 2015 will be able to do GI like it's nothing, PS4 will struggle with equivelant shader fx + global illumination + @ 1080p.... probably wont even happen at 1080p for PS4.

The entire system has to run on less than 200 watts, thats for the fancy gpu, the 8gb fancy ram, the fancy 8 core CPU.

PS4 is underpowered. Laws of physics.

You are comparing it wrong. You are comparing desktop hardware to mobile hardware.
You can accomplish lower power consumption with less voltage and binned chips.

I have a notebook that runs on a 180W PSU that is just as powerful as a desktop with a GTX 580...
Since Sony have worked to improve both GPU architecture and the way GPU and CPU communicate, that gonna further increase performance.

So many doubters in this forum. It almost seems like you feel threatened by the PS4. People who buy that console is stuck with the hardware for 5-8 years.

 

[aigomorla]

I have a notebook that runs on a 180W PSU that is just as powerful as a desktop with a GTX 580...
Since Sony have worked to improve both GPU architecture and the way GPU and CPU communicate, that gonna further increase performance...

on what mobile gpu are u talking about...
what laptop are you talking about?
What desktop are u comparing to?

Cuz no... a desktop will slaughter your laptop if pieced out right due to the limitations of YOUR cooling vs the desktop's overclockability.

Im sorry if ur system has a gaming gpu.. those laptops use big ass power bricks.

The dell XPS and alienware laptops are not small dinky PSU's.
Neither are full bloated gaming laptops which have SLI inside them as well.

Those use power bricks to the likes u never seen b4.

 

[Sohaltang]

1. blue ray movies and 3d games are a completely different ball game.
If it was that simple.. the basic HTPC could play 3d games.

2. Oh really? how come 99.9% of the people who see my desk always comment with a WTF!!!!
And when they see me game on all 3 go even more OMGWTFBBQ.

You can tell i am a hardcore gamer... i have a full arsenal of top of the line logitech gear sitting on the desk too.

Do u console people REALLY want to compare yourself against a user like me?
This is why i keep saying... Console VS PC wars are just straight up stupid...

The only time i use a console is when its a console only release....
Console wins this backwards and silly... cuz PC cant HAVE!

There is still a LOT of games which is CONSOLE only... hence a person like me has to use both if we want the best games to play while bored.

That looks horrible. The screens are not even the same height. 2 inch gaps between each screen and even larger gaps where the screens go vertical to horizontal. Worst monitor setup I have seen. Yes WTF?? Sums it up nicely. You prob got more into your ugly multimonitor setup than the avg ps4 user will have in their superior looking TV.


Back to 3d, it was said the PC can do something ps4 can't "stereoscopic 3d". Which is either ignorance or a lie because it has for a long time.

 

[aigomorla]

That looks horrible. The screens are not even the same height. Worst monitor setup I have seen. Yes WTF?? Sums it up nicely. You prob got more into your ugly multimonitor setup than the avg ps4 user will have in their superior looking TV.

Sigh.. you rotate the sides when you game... and it becomes 3 x 24 span'd out as well as curve them towards you more so it fits your peripheral vision better.

but i guess u didnt notice how the sides were rotate friendly from the arrow stickers on the corner did you...

Production mode parked is the status of that setup.
Gaming mode.. i rotate the 2 sideways so its span'd out.

Stereoscopic on nvidia only works as the lowest of the number so having my monitors in portrait on the side like that would cut off a big portion of the top and bottom.

Back to 3d, it was said the PC can do something ps4 can't "stereoscopic 3d". Which is either ignorance or a lie because it has for a long time.

in gaming.

is there a full featured 3D game in the PS3 like there is with PC using Nv vision?
If there is please correct me.. because i was not aware PS3 had 3D gaming titles.
The minimum for 3d gaming is so intense.. it brings even entry level enthusiest grade hardware to its knees at good resolution.

again.. watching movies and gaming are completely different.

 

[Cloudfire777]

on what mobile gpu are u talking about...
what laptop are you talking about?
What desktop are u comparing to?

Cuz no... a desktop will slaughter your laptop if pieced out right due to the limitations of YOUR cooling vs the desktop's overclockability.

Im sorry if ur system has a gaming gpu.. those laptops use big ass power bricks.

The dell XPS and alienware laptops are not small dinky PSU's.
Neither are full bloated gaming laptops which have SLI inside them as well.

Those use power bricks to the likes u never seen b4.

Err no, I have a GTX 680M, its a GTX 670 only undervolted, with lower clocks and with low voltage RAM. It can be overclocked up to GTX 670 performance but only with a 240W PSU. With a 180W PSU I can easily reach GTX 580 performance. So yeah, 200W for PS4 shouldn`t actually be of any concern.

In what way do a PC have better cooling than my notebook? Just like PC, I also have a dedicated fan for GPU and one for CPU.

So sorry, I have more experience than you on this part since I have tried it out.

 

[aigomorla]

In what way do a PC have better cooling than my notebook? Just like PC, I also have a dedicated fan for GPU and one for CPU.

are u being serious?
Your asking in what way a desktop has better cooling then a laptop?

So sorry, I have more experience than you on this part since I have tried it out.

can you please read my sig and rethink that question.
Your stating you have more experience then i do in cooling?

 

[futurefields]

You are comparing it wrong. You are comparing desktop hardware to mobile hardware.
You can accomplish lower power consumption with less voltage and binned chips.

I have a notebook that runs on a 180W PSU that is just as powerful as a desktop with a GTX 580...
Since Sony have worked to improve both GPU architecture and the way GPU and CPU communicate, that gonna further increase performance.

So many doubters in this forum. It almost seems like you feel threatened by the PS4. People who buy that console is stuck with the hardware for 5-8 years.

And did your notebook cost sub-$400/$500? You probably have one of the fastest gaming notebooks available then. What mobile GPU is as fast as a desktop GTX 580?

No, YOU are the one comparing it wrong, sorry.

 

[Cloudfire777]

are u being serious?
Your asking in what way a desktop has better cooling then a laptop?

Yes I was serious. If you disregard watercooled desktops, I also have big fans over my components. Yes you have bigger room to push around the heat and can therefor use bigger heatsinks, but the fans on my notebook is just right next to the exit on my notebook.

Yes desktops have cooler temperatures than notebooks, but my hardware still runs way below its operating thresshold, even when overclocked. So the cooling is sufficient. So where does your theory that a desktop will slaughter my notebook just because it have better cooling, apply?

can you please read my sig and rethink that question.
Your stating you have more experience then i do in cooling?

No I said I have tons of more experience than you on notebooks. I HAVE overclocked mine to GTX 580 performance. Therefor I know. You haven`t, you are just bashing notebooks on a BS argument like better cooling. Newsflash for you buddy: 40nm vs 28nm.

And did your notebook cost sub-$400/$500?

No, YOU are the one comparing it wrong, sorry.

So you suddenly forget all about discounts on big orders from Sony or the lower cost by putting both GPU and CPU on the same die? Oh and my hardware cost more because its Nvidia. Sony use AMD for PS4 a reason, the hardware cost less.

 

[blackened23]

I must be the only person here who enjoys both consoles and PCs. When I want to plop on a couch and relax, consoles allow me to have a good time while being chill. Also consoles have better multiplayer in some titles by virtue of XBLG and a larger player base. But when I want to use keyboard mouse, the graphics on the PC are great. In terms of MP, the PC is no slouch here either, but mainly for different types of MP games. I'm a big fan of the assassin's creed series and it's difficult to find any MP on the PC. It's still alive on the console versions, though - but with worse graphics obviously.

I guess what i'm saying here is that they both have merits. Why does everyone consider PCs and consoles to be mutually exclusive? I plan on getting a PS4 on launch AND play on PC for other titles. I must be the only one - honestly, I kinda hate the elitist mentally that some have here. Neither side will ever budge on their views I suppose.

 

[frozentundra123456]

1. My PS3 has been gaming in stereoscopic 3d for years now. I'm sure the PS4 also include this feature. The whole family watches bluray steroscopic 3d films. The kids love it. Personally it got old for me after a few months.

2. Multi monitor setups are [not cool]. I own one of these very $$ gaming rigs. Won't ever buy multi monitors. It looks like crap. The only way I would be interested if the screens were seamless. You got super resolutions, fast screens, and 3d capability and its all ruined by big gaps in the multi monitor screen. Just give me a big 1080p screen and the 99% will be happy with that.

Political incorrectness aside, I think you mean multiple monitors are not a solution that you like for gaming. In that I agree with you. I have two monitors and have never yet been able to get them to look good for gaming.

However, it is a huge, huge boost for any kind of productivity work.

 

[aigomorla]

Yes I was serious. If you disregard watercooled desktops, I also have big fans over my components. Yes you have bigger room to push around the heat and can therefor use bigger heatsinks, but the fans on my notebook is just right next to the exit on my notebook.

Yes desktops have cooler temperatures than notebooks, but my hardware still runs way below its operating thresshold, even when overclocked. So the cooling is sufficient. So where does your theory that a desktop will slaughter my notebook just because it have better cooling, apply?

the fact that a 580GTX can scale past 4.0ghz on the cpu.
The fact your laptop processor can never get even over 4.2ghz unless u dump'd LN2 on them.

The fact 90% of the processors one can get 4.5ghz today in the i5 catigory will do just that on any top class air heat sink.
The fact a stock heat sink on a desktop GPU is about 10x more massive then your laptop GPU to handle the increased voltages and increased load of a overclocked setting which (GTX) usually are.

Do i really need to go on?

Again... are you stating a LAPTOP can match a desktop in cooling and also overclocking?

 

[cplusplus]

The PS4 is going to be good value for the hardware that is in it, no doubt about it. But its not going to be as performant as a high end PC, that is clearly not right because it doesn't have the hardware to do that.

My guess is equivalent performance is going to be around $700-$800 for a PC, which means if you are down in the mid range of kit then for at least a year or two the PS4 is better value and it will be a whole lot less awkward to game on.

But there is another economic argument here. Game price. Most PC games I buy are around £30, highs of £40 but mostly less than £30. When they go on sale they can be under £10, and the sales are happening pretty quickly after release (Tomb raider on sale this weekend for example). Console games are still £40-£50 on the PS3 and xbox 360. You save about £15 everytime you buy a game, with about £300 difference between the hardware the price crossing point is going to be somewhere around 20 games. Which in 5 years I am pretty certain most gamers will easily acquire.

And killing your game price argument again: Tomb Raider digital for $30 right now on PSN.

Again, if you're willing to wait for console games on sale as long as you're willing to wait for PC games, you will get the same level of sales (digital or store-bought).

 

[Cloudfire777]

the fact that a 580GTX can scale past 4.0ghz on the cpu.
The fact your laptop processor can never get even over 4.2ghz unless u dump'd LN2 on them.

The fact 90% of the processors one can get 4.5ghz today in the i5 catigory will do just that on any top class air heat sink.
The fact a stock heat sink on a desktop GPU is about 10x more massive then your laptop GPU to handle the increased voltages and increased load of a overclocked setting.

Do i really need to go on?

Again... are you stating a LAPTOP can match a desktop in cooling and also overclocking?

Please tell me where I have said that my laptop can outperform an overclocked GTX 580? I said it can REACH the stock performance, once you overclock the 580, it will obv surpass mine.
The reason why I mentioned this in the first place is because I wanted to tell what a mobile, undervolted laptop can do with just 180W.

You are discussing something different than me

 

[cplusplus]

is there a full featured 3D game in the PS3 like there is with PC using Nv vision?
If there is please correct me.. because i was not aware PS3 had 3D gaming titles.
The minimum for 3d gaming is so intense.. it brings even entry level enthusiest grade hardware to its knees at good resolution.

again.. watching movies and gaming are completely different.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011...-ps3-updated-list-of-all-3d-games-and-movies/

And I think that's only as of 2 years ago.