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I got 20/20 on the English, and I am a teenage girl. 🙂
Originally posted by: Crusty
19/20
Damn you hyphen 🙁
Originally posted by: Howard
20/20 for English, may decide to do others later
EDIT: But when did they make "ostentatious" the same as "pretentious"?
os·ten·ta·tious
?adjective 1. characterized by or given to pretentious or conspicuous show in an attempt to impress others: an ostentatious dresser.
ostentatiousOriginally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: Howard
20/20 for English, may decide to do others later
EDIT: But when did they make "ostentatious" the same as "pretentious"?
???????
Ostentation is pretention. To be ostentatious is to be pretentious. I'm not understanding the basis of your disagreement here.
Edit: Yup:
os·ten·ta·tious
?adjective 1. characterized by or given to pretentious or conspicuous show in an attempt to impress others: an ostentatious dresser.
Of course, you can be pretentious without being ostentatious, which is, I guess, where you made your mistake. But you can never be ostentatious without being pretentious. You simply can't. 😉
Originally posted by: Howard
ostentatiousOriginally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: Howard
20/20 for English, may decide to do others later
EDIT: But when did they make "ostentatious" the same as "pretentious"?
???????
Ostentation is pretention. To be ostentatious is to be pretentious. I'm not understanding the basis of your disagreement here.
Edit: Yup:
os·ten·ta·tious
?adjective 1. characterized by or given to pretentious or conspicuous show in an attempt to impress others: an ostentatious dresser.
Of course, you can be pretentious without being ostentatious, which is, I guess, where you made your mistake. But you can never be ostentatious without being pretentious. You simply can't. 😉
Main Entry:
os·ten·ta·tious
Pronunciation:
\-sh?s\
Function:
adjective
Date:
1673
: marked by or fond of conspicuous or vainglorious and sometimes pretentious display
A rich man with a gaudy house with tons of blingy shit inside. Ostentatious yet not pretentious (at least by this definition 1a: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pretentious)Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: Howard
ostentatiousOriginally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: Howard
20/20 for English, may decide to do others later
EDIT: But when did they make "ostentatious" the same as "pretentious"?
???????
Ostentation is pretention. To be ostentatious is to be pretentious. I'm not understanding the basis of your disagreement here.
Edit: Yup:
os·ten·ta·tious
?adjective 1. characterized by or given to pretentious or conspicuous show in an attempt to impress others: an ostentatious dresser.
Of course, you can be pretentious without being ostentatious, which is, I guess, where you made your mistake. But you can never be ostentatious without being pretentious. You simply can't. 😉
Main Entry:
os·ten·ta·tious
Pronunciation:
\-sh?s\
Function:
adjective
Date:
1673
: marked by or fond of conspicuous or vainglorious and sometimes pretentious display
Oooookay. I challenge you to show us one example of a conspicuous or a vainglorious display that is NOT pretentious.
Just one will do.
Originally posted by: Howard
A rich man with a gaudy house with tons of blingy shit inside. Ostentatious yet not pretentious (at least by this definition 1a: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pretentious)
I have to disagree. An "old money" man may simply have bad taste.Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: Howard
A rich man with a gaudy house with tons of blingy shit inside. Ostentatious yet not pretentious (at least by this definition 1a: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pretentious)
Well, ok, well played enough, sir! I continue to disagree, though, and I will state why, but the differences in our opinions matter little.
To me, the underlying concept inherent in your example, "A rich man with a gaudy house with tons of blingy shit inside" is the concept of the nouveau riche, those newcomers to wealth still insecure enough in their status to retain the pretentious need to display and affirm it ostentatiously.
They, the nouveau riche, are the ones who build hideous McMansions on 1/4 acre lots in neighborhoods they aspire to pretentiously.
Their ostentation is inextricably bound up in their pretention, such that they are virtually one and the same.
Old money, otoh, is secure in their status. They have no need for pretention; they feel they have nothing to pretend to. They feel they are already there, and have been their whole life, you know?
As such, they look down severly on the pretention inherent in ostentation.
I had a gf who was blueblood social register, a Wharton and a Lippincott. Her parents had a couple hundred million dollars, and lived on an estate, BUT, their two vehicles were a Dodge Dart sedan and a stripper Chevy pickup.
Old money SO sees ostentation as bound up in nouveau riche pretention that they flee to the opposite extreme!
Think NBA power forward's crib, you know. The ostentation displayed is deeply bound up in the insecurtiy of the pretention.
That rich man in you example, with his "gaudy house" and "tons of blingy shit inside"? His ostentation is a direct result of his lingering insecure pretention, to me.
Originally posted by: Howard
I have to disagree. An "old money" man may simply have bad taste.
That ostentatious and pretention don't have to mean the same thing.Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: Howard
I have to disagree. An "old money" man may simply have bad taste.
Huh? I simply don't understand what point you're making re: ostentation and pretention here. What point are you making?
Originally posted by: Howard
That ostentatious and pretention don't have to mean the same thing.Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: Howard
I have to disagree. An "old money" man may simply have bad taste.
Huh? I simply don't understand what point you're making re: ostentation and pretention here. What point are you making?