How sick can religions be?

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: Aimster
Stop saying this is because of the religion of the terrorist. Show me proof how it is linked to their religion or shut the hell up. If a serial killer is going around chopping up people and he claims Jesus told him to do it, does that mean his religion is to blame?

Well, let's see, if it was religion then what would it be?

Are you being serious?

I think in many of these cases it is due to their perverted and twisted view of religion. They release their statements on religious websites, some of these groups have names with religious implications, these groups have had religious motivations in their statements, and so on.

So it's wrong to say that Islam created these barbarians. However it is appropriate to say that these people may have some religious motivation, albeit from a very twisted and perverted interpretation.

It largely goes un-noted that many of the acts of these barbarians are also committed against Muslims. Everyone here and in the Western world is just concerned with Western hostages. Barbarians they are. Here's hoping they're brought to justice.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
The Taliban did not enact Sharia law and the Qu'ran as it is supposed to be. They simply picked and choose what rules would work for them.

While they did bring order, the ends do not justify the means IMO.

Neither have the Sunnis or Shias. Because some nutcase decided to blow up a mosque full of worshippers does not mean the entire Sunni or Shia sect is to blame.
Taliban = student movement
Taliban != Islam

 

[faiznne]

Yes, Sultan is correct.

Taliban does not equal Islam.
Zionism does not equal Judaism.

Both are the extreme movements of a small percentage of the whole.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: faiznne
Yes, Sultan is correct.

Taliban does not equal Islam.
Zionism does not equal Judaism.

Both are the extreme movements of a small percentage of the whole.

You really should try to read the thread, Sultan supports the Taliban.

And you are still singling out two religions and still think that is better than singling out one.

How about the IRA, ETA, phillippine phalangists, the Christians in Africa who maim babies (their way of converting them) the Hinduist widow burners and so on?

I use the term violent fundamentalists, they exist in every religion.

 

[athithi]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: faiznne
Yes, Sultan is correct.

Taliban does not equal Islam.
Zionism does not equal Judaism.

Both are the extreme movements of a small percentage of the whole.

You really should try to read the thread, Sultan supports the Taliban.

And you are still singling out two religions and still think that is better than singling out one.

How about the IRA, ETA, phillippine phalangists, the Christians in Africa who maim babies (their way of converting them) the Hinduist widow burners and so on?

I use the term violent fundamentalists, they exist in every religion.

Klixxer, can you point out recent examples of Sati? I know there was a famous, controversial case in Rajasthan in the early 90s. I know dowry harrassment, caste-politics and superstitious beliefs are the major ills of Hinduism. But Sati definitely is no longer an acceptable part of the religion. Hinduism just does not work as a vehicle of hatred because it is so decentralized. You will never find a significant portion of Hindus agreeing on any aspect of the religion, good or bad. I think you are just trying to be "fair", but fairness should be based on knowledge - not merely on intent. I applaud your intent, but I fret at your knowledge...or the lack thereof.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: athithi

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: faiznne
Yes, Sultan is correct.

Taliban does not equal Islam.
Zionism does not equal Judaism.

Both are the extreme movements of a small percentage of the whole.

You really should try to read the thread, Sultan supports the Taliban.

And you are still singling out two religions and still think that is better than singling out one.

How about the IRA, ETA, phillippine phalangists, the Christians in Africa who maim babies (their way of converting them) the Hinduist widow burners and so on?

I use the term violent fundamentalists, they exist in every religion.

Klixxer, can you point out recent examples of Sati? I know there was a famous, controversial case in Rajasthan in the early 90s. I know dowry harrassment, caste-politics and superstitious beliefs are the major ills of Hinduism. But Sati definitely is no longer an acceptable part of the religion. Hinduism just does not work as a vehicle of hatred because it is so decentralized. You will never find a significant portion of Hindus agreeing on any aspect of the religion, good or bad. I think you are just trying to be "fair", but fairness should be based on knowledge - not merely on intent. I applaud your intent, but I fret at your knowledge...or the lack thereof.

I was talking about violent fundamentalists, are you denying that it still happens? Are you denying that many wifes are killed by their husbands, that honorary killings and using acid to destroy womens faces still happen?

You have to understand that i am talking about the utmost extreme of every religion, not the religions.

You want me to prove this? ok.


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Media reports from different parts of the country over the past few years suggest that the acid attack phenomenon is becoming increasingly common and widespread, with neither class nor caste nor creed nor any other variable serving as protective barriers, and with triggers ranging from unrequited love and marital discord (often over trivial matters) through family feuds and property disputes to enforcement of social diktats of various kinds.

In January 2004, three working women travelling in a local commuter train in Mumbai were seriously injured when acid was thrown in through a window. A July 2002 newspaper report from Kanpur claimed that at least half a dozen cases had come to light in that part of the country over the previous seven months, even though only two had been registered with the police. And, of course, acid attacks made national headlines in 2001 when members of an obscure militant group in Kashmir followed through on their threat of violence against unveiled women by throwing acid on four young women in Srinagar. Although men, too, have been attacked with acid, women are disproportionately represented among the victims of this form of violence.

A pdf

If you want more, do a search on google, you will find that it is still happening.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: athithi

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: faiznne
Yes, Sultan is correct.

Taliban does not equal Islam.
Zionism does not equal Judaism.

Both are the extreme movements of a small percentage of the whole.

You really should try to read the thread, Sultan supports the Taliban.

And you are still singling out two religions and still think that is better than singling out one.

How about the IRA, ETA, phillippine phalangists, the Christians in Africa who maim babies (their way of converting them) the Hinduist widow burners and so on?

I use the term violent fundamentalists, they exist in every religion.

Klixxer, can you point out recent examples of Sati? I know there was a famous, controversial case in Rajasthan in the early 90s. I know dowry harrassment, caste-politics and superstitious beliefs are the major ills of Hinduism. But Sati definitely is no longer an acceptable part of the religion. Hinduism just does not work as a vehicle of hatred because it is so decentralized. You will never find a significant portion of Hindus agreeing on any aspect of the religion, good or bad. I think you are just trying to be "fair", but fairness should be based on knowledge - not merely on intent. I applaud your intent, but I fret at your knowledge...or the lack thereof.

i thought Sati was part of Indian cultural tradition rather than a component of the Hindu faith. Am I wrong?

 

[InlineFive]

Those are the radicals. If you do some research you'll find how frightening it is that most of the population presumes that all muslims are evil. In truth about 5% of them are evil.

 

[athithi]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: athithi

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: faiznne
Yes, Sultan is correct.

Taliban does not equal Islam.
Zionism does not equal Judaism.

Both are the extreme movements of a small percentage of the whole.

You really should try to read the thread, Sultan supports the Taliban.

And you are still singling out two religions and still think that is better than singling out one.

How about the IRA, ETA, phillippine phalangists, the Christians in Africa who maim babies (their way of converting them) the Hinduist widow burners and so on?

I use the term violent fundamentalists, they exist in every religion.

Klixxer, can you point out recent examples of Sati? I know there was a famous, controversial case in Rajasthan in the early 90s. I know dowry harrassment, caste-politics and superstitious beliefs are the major ills of Hinduism. But Sati definitely is no longer an acceptable part of the religion. Hinduism just does not work as a vehicle of hatred because it is so decentralized. You will never find a significant portion of Hindus agreeing on any aspect of the religion, good or bad. I think you are just trying to be "fair", but fairness should be based on knowledge - not merely on intent. I applaud your intent, but I fret at your knowledge...or the lack thereof.

I was talking about violent fundamentalists, are you denying that it still happens? Are you denying that many wifes are killed by their husbands, that honorary killings and using acid to destroy womens faces still happen?

You have to understand that i am talking about the utmost extreme of every religion, not the religions.

You want me to prove this? ok.


Text

Media reports from different parts of the country over the past few years suggest that the acid attack phenomenon is becoming increasingly common and widespread, with neither class nor caste nor creed nor any other variable serving as protective barriers, and with triggers ranging from unrequited love and marital discord (often over trivial matters) through family feuds and property disputes to enforcement of social diktats of various kinds.

In January 2004, three working women travelling in a local commuter train in Mumbai were seriously injured when acid was thrown in through a window. A July 2002 newspaper report from Kanpur claimed that at least half a dozen cases had come to light in that part of the country over the previous seven months, even though only two had been registered with the police. And, of course, acid attacks made national headlines in 2001 when members of an obscure militant group in Kashmir followed through on their threat of violence against unveiled women by throwing acid on four young women in Srinagar. Although men, too, have been attacked with acid, women are disproportionately represented among the victims of this form of violence.

A pdf

If you want more, do a search on google, you will find that it is still happening.

But those do not have religious connotations. I mean, how many examples do you want from any country in the world about inhuman acts of cruelty. I don't recall reading about a single incident where someone threw acid on a woman while yelling praises to Hindu gods. I mean, next you are going to give me examples of pickpockets in buses being instances of Hindu extremism

And seriously - militant groups in Kashmir as an example of Hindu extremism That takes the cake! You really should read up a bit more about the Kashmir problem. Mmmmm....google a bit to find out about the plight of Kashmiri Pandits.

Now look, there are extremists in every religion. But that extremism can only be kept in check when the majority of that religion bands together and ostracizes the extremist elements. I think the Christian world has done rather admirably in controlling the extremists in their religion (and in a lot of places, compensating for them too) and I think the Hindu society has done even better considering that Hindu extremism is very localized (which makes it self-correcting, as opposed to Islamic terrorism, which is exported thereby putting a safe distance between the source and the effect). Yeah, Hindus stink up their own yard just as much, if not more, than the next religion. But it's their yard and they pay the penalty of stinking it up. Not so with Islam.

Honor killings, unfortunately, do take place in remote villages and occasionally small towns. That is criminal behaviour, not terrorism. And no, Islam probably advocates honor killings, not Hinduism. Like I said, Hinduism's greatest strength is its decentralization. You will never get two Hindus to agree on one version of anything, leave alone codifications like honor killings Not to deny that it happens - it does, very rarely, and is an aberration that shocks most Hindus just the same way it shocks you.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: athithi

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: athithi

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: faiznne
Yes, Sultan is correct.

Taliban does not equal Islam.
Zionism does not equal Judaism.

Both are the extreme movements of a small percentage of the whole.

You really should try to read the thread, Sultan supports the Taliban.

And you are still singling out two religions and still think that is better than singling out one.

How about the IRA, ETA, phillippine phalangists, the Christians in Africa who maim babies (their way of converting them) the Hinduist widow burners and so on?

I use the term violent fundamentalists, they exist in every religion.

Klixxer, can you point out recent examples of Sati? I know there was a famous, controversial case in Rajasthan in the early 90s. I know dowry harrassment, caste-politics and superstitious beliefs are the major ills of Hinduism. But Sati definitely is no longer an acceptable part of the religion. Hinduism just does not work as a vehicle of hatred because it is so decentralized. You will never find a significant portion of Hindus agreeing on any aspect of the religion, good or bad. I think you are just trying to be "fair", but fairness should be based on knowledge - not merely on intent. I applaud your intent, but I fret at your knowledge...or the lack thereof.

I was talking about violent fundamentalists, are you denying that it still happens? Are you denying that many wifes are killed by their husbands, that honorary killings and using acid to destroy womens faces still happen?

You have to understand that i am talking about the utmost extreme of every religion, not the religions.

You want me to prove this? ok.


Text

Media reports from different parts of the country over the past few years suggest that the acid attack phenomenon is becoming increasingly common and widespread, with neither class nor caste nor creed nor any other variable serving as protective barriers, and with triggers ranging from unrequited love and marital discord (often over trivial matters) through family feuds and property disputes to enforcement of social diktats of various kinds.

In January 2004, three working women travelling in a local commuter train in Mumbai were seriously injured when acid was thrown in through a window. A July 2002 newspaper report from Kanpur claimed that at least half a dozen cases had come to light in that part of the country over the previous seven months, even though only two had been registered with the police. And, of course, acid attacks made national headlines in 2001 when members of an obscure militant group in Kashmir followed through on their threat of violence against unveiled women by throwing acid on four young women in Srinagar. Although men, too, have been attacked with acid, women are disproportionately represented among the victims of this form of violence.

A pdf

If you want more, do a search on google, you will find that it is still happening.

But those do not have religious connotations. I mean, how many examples do you want from any country in the world about inhuman acts of cruelty. I don't recall reading about a single incident where someone threw acid on a woman while yelling praises to Hindu gods. I mean, next you are going to give me examples of pickpockets in buses being instances of Hindu extremism

And seriously - militant groups in Kashmir as an example of Hindu extremism That takes the cake! You really should read up a bit more about the Kashmir problem. Mmmmm....google a bit to find out about the plight of Kashmiri Pandits.

Now look, there are extremists in every religion. But that extremism can only be kept in check when the majority of that religion bands together and ostracizes the extremist elements. I think the Christian world has done rather admirably in controlling the extremists in their religion (and in a lot of places, compensating for them too) and I think the Hindu society has done even better considering that Hindu extremism is very localized (which makes it self-correcting, as opposed to Islamic terrorism, which is exported thereby putting a safe distance between the source and the effect). Yeah, Hindus stink up their own yard just as much, if not more, than the next religion. But it's their yard and they pay the penalty of stinking it up. Not so with Islam.

Honor killings, unfortunately, do take place in remote villages and occasionally small towns. That is criminal behaviour, not terrorism. And no, Islam probably advocates honor killings, not Hinduism. Like I said, Hinduism's greatest strength is its decentralization. You will never get two Hindus to agree on one version of anything, leave alone codifications like honor killings Not to deny that it happens - it does, very rarely, and is an aberration that shocks most Hindus just the same way it shocks you.

This makes me sick and tired, just like the Jews defending IDF's killing of civilians and Sultan defending the actions of the Talibans, nobody seems to be able to go beyond their own little narrow view and see what IS wrong at home, naaaawwww, let's blame another group, if you are Hindu (like you) or Jewish (like me) then why not blame it all on Islam (which is pretty much what you did) If you are christian you can blame it on Islam too and we can all be one big happy family blaming it all on Islam.

I don't give a fvck about your religion, extremists exists in EVERY religion, if you want to be blind to that then that is your choice.

I am done with this thread now.

 

[athithi]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

This makes me sick and tired, just like the Jews defending IDF's killing of civilians and Sultan defending the actions of the Talibans, nobody seems to be able to go beyond their own little narrow view and see what IS wrong at home, naaaawwww, let's blame another group, if you are Hindu (like you) or Jewish (like me) then why not blame it all on Islam (which is pretty much what you did) If you are christian you can blame it on Islam too and we can all be one big happy family blaming it all on Islam.

I don't give a fvck about your religion, extremists exists in EVERY religion, if you want to be blind to that then that is your choice.

I am done with this thread now.

Waaaahhhhh. Big bad Hindu kicked poor Klixxer's butt all over the place? You want to think of yourself as the Enlightened One who sees that which cannot be seen by the Athithi's of ATOT. But fact is that you are ill-informed and your desire for human equality doesn't compensate for your lack of knowledge. You apparently read my posts and still responded with a claim that I want to be blind to the extremists of my religion :roll: You just don't want to accept the fact that not only do other people have better intentions than you, they also have a better understanding of the world around them and can articulate themselves far more effectively than you can. This thread is done with you now.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: athithi

Originally posted by: Klixxer

This makes me sick and tired, just like the Jews defending IDF's killing of civilians and Sultan defending the actions of the Talibans, nobody seems to be able to go beyond their own little narrow view and see what IS wrong at home, naaaawwww, let's blame another group, if you are Hindu (like you) or Jewish (like me) then why not blame it all on Islam (which is pretty much what you did) If you are christian you can blame it on Islam too and we can all be one big happy family blaming it all on Islam.

I don't give a fvck about your religion, extremists exists in EVERY religion, if you want to be blind to that then that is your choice.

I am done with this thread now.

Waaaahhhhh. Big bad Hindu kicked poor Klixxer's butt all over the place? You want to think of yourself as the Enlightened One who sees that which cannot be seen by the Athithi's of ATOT. But fact is that you are ill-informed and your desire for human equality doesn't compensate for your lack of knowledge. You apparently read my posts and still responded with a claim that I want to be blind to the extremists of my religion :roll: You just don't want to accept the fact that not only do other people have better intentions than you, they also have a better understanding of the world around them and can articulate themselves far more effectively than you can. This thread is done with you now.

Go back to India. Bye

 

[athithi]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: athithi

Originally posted by: Klixxer

This makes me sick and tired, just like the Jews defending IDF's killing of civilians and Sultan defending the actions of the Talibans, nobody seems to be able to go beyond their own little narrow view and see what IS wrong at home, naaaawwww, let's blame another group, if you are Hindu (like you) or Jewish (like me) then why not blame it all on Islam (which is pretty much what you did) If you are christian you can blame it on Islam too and we can all be one big happy family blaming it all on Islam.

I don't give a fvck about your religion, extremists exists in EVERY religion, if you want to be blind to that then that is your choice.

I am done with this thread now.

Waaaahhhhh. Big bad Hindu kicked poor Klixxer's butt all over the place? You want to think of yourself as the Enlightened One who sees that which cannot be seen by the Athithi's of ATOT. But fact is that you are ill-informed and your desire for human equality doesn't compensate for your lack of knowledge. You apparently read my posts and still responded with a claim that I want to be blind to the extremists of my religion :roll: You just don't want to accept the fact that not only do other people have better intentions than you, they also have a better understanding of the world around them and can articulate themselves far more effectively than you can. This thread is done with you now.

Go back to India. Bye

:laugh:

 

[Sultan]

This makes me sick and tired, just like the Jews defending IDF's killing of civilians and Sultan defending the actions of the Talibans, nobody seems to be able to go beyond their own little narrow view and see what IS wrong at home, naaaawwww, let's blame another group, if you are Hindu (like you) or Jewish (like me) then why not blame it all on Islam (which is pretty much what you did) If you are christian you can blame it on Islam too and we can all be one big happy family blaming it all on Islam.

I don't give a fvck about your religion, extremists exists in EVERY religion, if you want to be blind to that then that is your choice.

I am done with this thread now.

I did not defend any "action" of the Taliban. I do not "support" the Taliban. I have oft stated that the picture painted by the media about the Taliban is not completely reflective of the situation in Afghanistan.

Athrithi has oft claimed of the harmony existing between the Muslims and Hindus in India. His views about Islam paint the opposite picture. He has also not mentioned anything regarding the Gujurat Massacre, RSS, VHP, all elements of Hindu extremism. What did these people advocate? Revert back to Hinduism or leave India? haha, very non-extremist.

Your views regarding Kashmir is the problem the two countries have never been able to reach a peaceful solution. Btw, everyone SHOULD read about the Kashmir problem and note that India has not fulfulled its obligations to the UN Resolutions. Regardless, I am of the opinion that the solution is in the future, not the past.

Hey, why dont you go back to India and control the extremists of your religion? Hindu extremism is localized because the religion never found any support outside India. Its decentralized because it is more of a practice than a religion.

Now practice what you preach or stay silent. Ganesh commands you.

 

[athithi]

Originally posted by: Sultan

This makes me sick and tired, just like the Jews defending IDF's killing of civilians and Sultan defending the actions of the Talibans, nobody seems to be able to go beyond their own little narrow view and see what IS wrong at home, naaaawwww, let's blame another group, if you are Hindu (like you) or Jewish (like me) then why not blame it all on Islam (which is pretty much what you did) If you are christian you can blame it on Islam too and we can all be one big happy family blaming it all on Islam.

I don't give a fvck about your religion, extremists exists in EVERY religion, if you want to be blind to that then that is your choice.

I am done with this thread now.

I did not defend any "action" of the Taliban. I do not "support" the Taliban. I have oft stated that the picture painted by the media about the Taliban is not completely reflective of the situation in Afghanistan.

Athrithi has oft claimed of the harmony existing between the Muslims and Hindus in India. His views about Islam paint the opposite picture. He has also not mentioned anything regarding the Gujurat Massacre, RSS, VHP, all elements of Hindu extremism. What did these people advocate? Revert back to Hinduism or leave India? haha, very non-extremist.

Liar, liar, pants on fire. I have had an extended discussion about the Gujrat massacre with you on these same forums. WTF is wrong with you? Short-term memory loss? Islam in the Middle East is indeed vastly different from what I see back home in India.

Your views regarding Kashmir is the problem the two countries have never been able to reach a peaceful solution. Btw, everyone SHOULD read about the Kashmir problem and note that India has not fulfulled its obligations to the UN Resolutions. Regardless, I am of the opinion that the solution is in the future, not the past.

With an Indian on these boards you should know better than to try and spread misinformation about the Kashmir conflict. According to the UN Resolutions India should hold a referendum allowing Kashmiris to chose their fate AFTER Pakistan COMPLETELY withdraws its TROOPS from ALL OF KASHMIR. Sounds really simple, doesn't it? Pakistan withdraws its forces all the way from Siachen and LoA and India holds the referendum (and btw, please get back Aksai Chin, which Pakistan "gave away" to China - the referendum was intended for ALL of Kashmir, not just those parts that Pakistan wants to control). Stop trying to lie about me, India, Hindus and/or Kashmir. You won't get away with it.

Hey, why dont you go back to India and control the extremists of your religion? Hindu extremism is localized because the religion never found any support outside India. Its decentralized because it is more of a practice than a religion.

The religion never found support outside India? Mainstream Hinduism is the ONLY major religion that does not seek to actively convert people. I do control the extremists in my religion - in part by using my vote (which, I agree, is an alien concept to someone from Pakistan), in part by writing to papers and in some part by discussing it with family and friends. But I don't need to take the kind of emergency measures that is required by Muslisms to counter Islamic terrorism because Hindu terrorism is simply nowhere in the same league. And that is because Hinduism did not let its extremists control the agenda.

Now practice what you preach or stay silent. Ganesh commands you.

You ran out of lies to propagate, didn't you?

 

[RabidMongoose]

You have to realize that Sultan hates you because you are not Muslim.

 

[SoylentGreen]

Originally posted by: loki8481
it's like blaming all Christians for the actions and opinions of the KKK.

LOL greaaat comparison. What a moron

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Well, many clerics issued fatwas (SP?) after Salman Rushdie wrote The Satanic Verses, supposedly because it made Islam look bad. He had to go into hiding. They didn't issue any on Osama or the Taliban, who made it look far worse.

Of course, the ones issuing the fatwas are probably big fans of Osama and the Taliban.

 

[Aimster]

This thread is crap. Extremist vs Extremist.

 

[athithi]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
Well, many clerics issued fatwas (SP?) after Salman Rushdie wrote The Satanic Verses, supposedly because it made Islam look bad. He had to go into hiding. They didn't issue any on Osama or the Taliban, who made it look far worse.

Instead, you had school girls in Pakistan proudly claiming on CNN that they wanted their husbands and children to be like Osama bin Laden. Some extremists those high-school girls must be :roll:

 

[faiznne]

CNN = propaganda. There are many ways the media could've manipulated those school girls. The media could've even picked a part of the town where extremists are most visible and abundant. If you want the real news, watch European News like the BBC UK or Indymedia.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: faiznne
CNN = propaganda. There are many ways the media could've manipulated those school girls. The media could've even picked a part of the town where extremists are most visible and abundant. If you want the real news, watch European News like the BBC UK or Indymedia.

Pakistan/Saudi Arabia/Palestine = Problematic

Eh, meant to quote the guy above you.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Aimster
This thread is crap. Extremist vs Extremist.

Round 1!

 

[Sultan]

Liar, liar, pants on fire. I have had an extended discussion about the Gujrat massacre with you on these same forums. WTF is wrong with you? Short-term memory loss? Islam in the Middle East is indeed vastly different from what I see back home in India.

I think you need a comprehension lesson. "He has also not mentioned anything regarding the Gujurat Massacre, RSS, VHP, all elements of Hindu extremism" in this thread implies you have not voiced your indignation at these forms of Hindu extremism in THIS thread.

With an Indian on these boards you should know better than to try and spread misinformation about the Kashmir conflict. According to the UN Resolutions India should hold a referendum allowing Kashmiris to chose their fate AFTER Pakistan COMPLETELY withdraws its TROOPS from ALL OF KASHMIR. Sounds really simple, doesn't it? Pakistan withdraws its forces all the way from Siachen and LoA and India holds the referendum (and btw, please get back Aksai Chin, which Pakistan "gave away" to China - the referendum was intended for ALL of Kashmir, not just those parts that Pakistan wants to control). Stop trying to lie about me, India, Hindus and/or Kashmir. You won't get away with it.

Read up again, the withdrawl was to be done by BOTH countries. Pakistan asked for a timetable for India's withdrawl, so both counties can mutually withdraw without fear of attack by the other party. The timetable was never provided, hence common sense dictated Pakistan not withdraw its forces. Pakistan "giving away" the Aksai Chin is better than China whopping India's arse when the latter tried to claim territory not theirs to begin with.

The religion never found support outside India? Mainstream Hinduism is the ONLY major religion that does not seek to actively convert people. I do control the extremists in my religion - in part by using my vote (which, I agree, is an alien concept to someone from Pakistan), in part by writing to papers and in some part by discussing it with family and friends. But I don't need to take the kind of emergency measures that is required by Muslisms to counter Islamic terrorism because Hindu terrorism is simply nowhere in the same league. And that is because Hinduism did not let its extremists control the agenda.

hahah. Unbelievable lie. Read up the manifesto of RSS, BJP, VHP, etc, etc, etc. Again, Hinduism is more of a practice than a religion and therefore cannot find support outside India. What are Hindus going to covert people to? Praying to Ganesh or to Sita or to who exactly? I'm sure you are controlling the extremists in India. What have you done about Mr. Narenda Modi? Nothing. Bupkis. Narenda Modi, the chief minister of Gujarat, who is also a member of the R.S.S., explained the killings in Gujurat as an equal and opposite reaction to the murder in late February of almost 60 people, most of whom were Hindus activists, by a mob of Muslims. :roll: HAHA!!! Mr. Advani, who burned down the Babri mosque was elected deputy Prime Minister. Get over your sham democracy and stop toting your religion to be free from bad elements.

You ran out of lies to propagate, didn't you?

Ganesh is disheartened by such idiots

 

[athithi]

Originally posted by: Sultan

...

THIS thread is about Islamic terrorism - but I am not surprised by your diversionary tactics. You are trying to divert attention from the illness that Islam is suffering from. Islam is infected with a strain of terrorism that runs way too deep for comfort. I believe that that strain of terrorism can be eradicated on by Muslims attacking these terrorists. Instead of doing that, you are busy trying to claim that these people are not part of Islam. Here's a tip - don't tell the world that these terrorists are not a part of Islam. Tell these mfers that they are not part of Islam. And say it emphatically. Show it in action. Then the world will agree that Islam is not a religion that condones terror.