How Scared is the GOP of an Obama win?

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Evan
Because liberals will be in power permanently from this point forward until the GOP reinvents itself (in becoming more liberal, most likely).

When Bush was first Elected, Cons were saying pretty much the same thing. The Dems might just fuck up just as bad, but if they don't the Republicans will have ongoing problems.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

I do wonder why are people so scared though. Either way you see it, this is how our country is progressing. Looking at history you cannot STOP progress, but you can take part. I think the GOP really needs to focus on taking part in the process and return back to its roots.

Because an Obama Presidency is not necessarily progress (except for the obvious historic milestone of America having its first black President)...it would simply be part of the cyclical dynamic in American politics...I am sure hardline Democrats and liberals felt the world would end when Reagan defeated Carter.

Why are people so scared of an Obama presidency?

I think very few are scared...most conservatives are concerned with what the Pelosi/Obama one-two punch will do to the country...it took nearly three decades to purge the system of all the big government nonsense introduced by the Democrats last time they controlled the wheel.

I think the GOP really needs to re-factor itself and re-emerge as something genuine and something that resembles conservatism.

Absolutely, just as the potential exists for the Democrats to become that which they most despise...absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Excellent post

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I will tell you why they are scared but you may be unwilling to believe it because of the implications it has for yourself and your own fear.

The right is terrified of Obama because they are hateful bigots. Bigotry is nothing more than the hate of self directed onto some target, a learned response as a result of being put down as a child and exposed to ridicule, the same ridiculed poured onto the other, the target of bigotry. All these bigots were made to feel like '*****' as children. And all the hate that was dumped on them they now project to be out there in the other, and they dump all that hate on him. And since what they fear he is is them, they are sure he is going to get even. When Obama gains power over them they fear it will be their turn to be the '*****' again. They are blind to the fact that it was always them in the first place who is the '*****'.

The crap that you get away with posting is amazing.

You're a broken record moonie.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

I do wonder why are people so scared though. Either way you see it, this is how our country is progressing. Looking at history you cannot STOP progress, but you can take part. I think the GOP really needs to focus on taking part in the process and return back to its roots.

Because an Obama Presidency is not necessarily progress (except for the obvious historic milestone of America having its first black President)...it would simply be part of the cyclical dynamic in American politics...I am sure hardline Democrats and liberals felt the world would end when Reagan defeated Carter.

Why are people so scared of an Obama presidency?

I think very few are scared...most conservatives are concerned with what the Pelosi/Obama one-two punch will do to the country...it took nearly three decades to purge the system of all the big government nonsense introduced by the Democrats last time they controlled the wheel.

I think the GOP really needs to re-factor itself and re-emerge as something genuine and something that resembles conservatism.

Absolutely, just as the potential exists for the Democrats to become that which they most despise...absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Excellent post

Yep.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

I do wonder why are people so scared though. Either way you see it, this is how our country is progressing. Looking at history you cannot STOP progress, but you can take part. I think the GOP really needs to focus on taking part in the process and return back to its roots.

Because an Obama Presidency is not necessarily progress (except for the obvious historic milestone of America having its first black President)...it would simply be part of the cyclical dynamic in American politics...I am sure hardline Democrats and liberals felt the world would end when Reagan defeated Carter.

Why are people so scared of an Obama presidency?

I think very few are scared...most conservatives are concerned with what the Pelosi/Obama one-two punch will do to the country...it took nearly three decades to purge the system of all the big government nonsense introduced by the Democrats last time they controlled the wheel.

I think the GOP really needs to re-factor itself and re-emerge as something genuine and something that resembles conservatism.

Absolutely, just as the potential exists for the Democrats to become that which they most despise...absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Excellent post

Yep.

Normally I edit out the thread to keep it clean however I am leaving it all here...simply because I am not at all surprised that Starbuck's response was totally glossed over by the liberal bozos that control this board.

 

[bdude]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

I do wonder why are people so scared though. Either way you see it, this is how our country is progressing. Looking at history you cannot STOP progress, but you can take part. I think the GOP really needs to focus on taking part in the process and return back to its roots.

Because an Obama Presidency is not necessarily progress (except for the obvious historic milestone of America having its first black President)...it would simply be part of the cyclical dynamic in American politics...I am sure hardline Democrats and liberals felt the world would end when Reagan defeated Carter.

Why are people so scared of an Obama presidency?

I think very few are scared...most conservatives are concerned with what the Pelosi/Obama one-two punch will do to the country...it took nearly three decades to purge the system of all the big government nonsense introduced by the Democrats last time they controlled the wheel.

I think the GOP really needs to re-factor itself and re-emerge as something genuine and something that resembles conservatism.

Absolutely, just as the potential exists for the Democrats to become that which they most despise...absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Excellent post

Yep.

Wow, did you guys just wake up today after eight years of sleep?

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

I do wonder why are people so scared though. Either way you see it, this is how our country is progressing. Looking at history you cannot STOP progress, but you can take part. I think the GOP really needs to focus on taking part in the process and return back to its roots.

Because an Obama Presidency is not necessarily progress (except for the obvious historic milestone of America having its first black President)...it would simply be part of the cyclical dynamic in American politics...I am sure hardline Democrats and liberals felt the world would end when Reagan defeated Carter.

Why are people so scared of an Obama presidency?

I think very few are scared...most conservatives are concerned with what the Pelosi/Obama one-two punch will do to the country...it took nearly three decades to purge the system of all the big government nonsense introduced by the Democrats last time they controlled the wheel.

I think the GOP really needs to re-factor itself and re-emerge as something genuine and something that resembles conservatism.

Absolutely, just as the potential exists for the Democrats to become that which they most despise...absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Excellent post

Yep.

Normally I edit out the thread to keep it clean however I am leaving it all here...simply because I am not at all surprised that Starbuck's response was totally glossed over by the liberal bozos that control this board.

What response did you seek? Reagan's election was a disaster for our country. The system hasn't been purged of anything other than accountability, responsibility, and decency. Well done.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: quest55720
Sure for the rich they can have personal coverage. The rest of us will be stuck with second rate health care. Of those 50 million how many are young people who choose not to get insurance or illegals? You going to pay for cancer treatments for all of south America? The second UHC is passed millions will cross the boarder for free expensive treatments on my tax dollar. Any UHC plan will cost 2 to 3 times as much as any other country because of the illegals and population in such poor health.

Illegals already get free health care except it is much more expensive because they are currently only left with the option of going to the emergency room. Give them health care so that they can visit general practitioners and you will see the costs go down.

My proof is my own eyes. I live in south florida. Shall I describe to you what happens at the hospitals down here and what it costs thanks to them having no other choice when little Jose gets very ill and needs medical attention? I don't think I need to.

My father does security at a few local hospitals. This is fact.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: quest55720

Originally posted by: loki8481
my real fear is the lesson that my fellow republicans will take from their defeat -- will they blame it on the failed policies of GW and realize that they need to move more towards the center, or will they look at it on a failing by McCain and feel a need to move more into the arms of the religious right?

They will blame it on McCain and the moderates who have now jumped ship. The next republican nominee will be an ultra conservative right of newt. It sucks the republicans do the right thing and ditch the religious right and get rewarded by getting killed in the election. They will take that as they need to go hard core to the right on all issues.

Ditch the religious right? Are you serious? Two words: Sarah Palin

McCain was not from the religious right and not supported by him... Sarah Palin was his attempt at an olive branch, but that doesn't mean that conservatives won't see the 2008 failings as indicative of the fact that they need to be MORE entrenched with the RR, blaming McCain's loss on his lack of evangelical connections.

Yep, that's my point. McCain was struggling just to get coverage until he signed Palin to the ticket. If McCain loses - and I hope he does - I would like to see the (R)'s get their act together and develop a base that isn't geared toward forcing their religious values on those who don't share them.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Really; An Iphone is $300, not to mention another $300-600 in monthly fees.

If you're in your 20s and make 60k, you don't have a healthcare problem.

Is that $300 - $600 a typo or just made up crap like the rest of your posts in this thread?

 

[yuppiejr]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Harvey

Nothing will undo the damage they've done, but they should be held to account for their crimes.

but it's never going to happen.

I never said it would, but if it does, it would be justice served. If not, I hope they're shitting their drawers and looking over their shoulders for the rest of their miserable lives.

can't GW just pardon himself and his entire admin on his way out the door?

Clinton did, why not?

 

[yuppiejr]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: quest55720
Sure for the rich they can have personal coverage. The rest of us will be stuck with second rate health care. Of those 50 million how many are young people who choose not to get insurance or illegals? You going to pay for cancer treatments for all of south America? The second UHC is passed millions will cross the boarder for free expensive treatments on my tax dollar. Any UHC plan will cost 2 to 3 times as much as any other country because of the illegals and population in such poor health.

Illegals already get free health care except it is much more expensive because they are currently only left with the option of going to the emergency room. Give them health care so that they can visit general practitioners and you will see the costs go down.

My proof is my own eyes. I live in south florida. Shall I describe to you what happens at the hospitals down here and what it costs thanks to them having no other choice when little Jose gets very ill and needs medical attention? I don't think I need to.

My father does security at a few local hospitals. This is fact.

So instead of dealing with the problem (illegal immigration) we're just going to force the taxpayers in this country to foot the bill for people breaking our laws? Why is it acceptable for undocumented workers / illegal immigrants to consume the resources of this country (services) without contributing anything (taxes)?

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: yuppiejr

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: quest55720
Sure for the rich they can have personal coverage. The rest of us will be stuck with second rate health care. Of those 50 million how many are young people who choose not to get insurance or illegals? You going to pay for cancer treatments for all of south America? The second UHC is passed millions will cross the boarder for free expensive treatments on my tax dollar. Any UHC plan will cost 2 to 3 times as much as any other country because of the illegals and population in such poor health.

Illegals already get free health care except it is much more expensive because they are currently only left with the option of going to the emergency room. Give them health care so that they can visit general practitioners and you will see the costs go down.

My proof is my own eyes. I live in south florida. Shall I describe to you what happens at the hospitals down here and what it costs thanks to them having no other choice when little Jose gets very ill and needs medical attention? I don't think I need to.

My father does security at a few local hospitals. This is fact.

So instead of dealing with the problem (illegal immigration) we're just going to force the taxpayers in this country to foot the bill for people breaking our laws? Why is it acceptable for undocumented workers / illegal immigrants to consume the resources of this country (services) without contributing anything (taxes)?

Because it's not in either party's best interest to make a big deal out of it. The Democrats want the votes and the Republicans want the cheap labor.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Evan
Because liberals will be in power permanently from this point forward until the GOP reinvents itself (in becoming more liberal, most likely).

Hilarious. The last time the Dems controlled both the Leg. and Exec. branches, it lasted all of 2 years (92-94) and ended 40 years of solid Dem. control of the House. Success leads to arrogance, regardless of party, so don't expect the liberal resurgance to be anything close to permanent.

 

[wwswimming]

Originally posted by: GTKeeper
As a general observation, and I think this is very evident on this forum, it seems that the hardcore right wingers are really terrified of Obama becoming president....Why are people so scared of an Obama presidency?

i wonder if it's the shortage of jobs. the rotating door between government
& industry - some of the Repubs' are being kicked out of office, and have
fewer options than when the economy was bubbly.

that plus some of them probably lost money along with everybody else
when the bubble de-bubbled.

are unemployed GOP legislators eligible for the unemployment benefits
they voted against ?

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: yuppiejr

Originally posted by: loki8481
can't GW just pardon himself and his entire admin on his way out the door?

Clinton did, why not?

That is Bush Sr you're thinking of. He didn't pardon himself but he pardoned everybody whose testimony might have implicated him.

 

[T2T III]

Originally posted by: yuppiejrSo instead of dealing with the problem (illegal immigration) we're just going to force the taxpayers in this country to foot the bill for people breaking our laws? Why is it acceptable for undocumented workers / illegal immigrants to consume the resources of this country (services) without contributing anything (taxes)?

Exactly! Instead of trying to find ways to provide healthcare for someone who came into our country under illegal pretenses, why do we have to provide any medical support for them? The issue with illegal immigration needs to be properly corrected - so, this does not consume our country and our tax dollars. Now, if someone wants to become a citizen of the U.S. - AND is willing to follow the necessary protocol to do it, I'm all for it.

 

[piasabird]

This is a joke. All I have seen for years is "I Hate B...." from democrats. No Solutions, No Ideas, and No Intelligent Thought.

Keep in mind that I have yet to see taxes reduced while a democrat was sitting in office. So just keep in mind that it is probably just a pipe dream, that will never occur. What will probably happen is the House led by Pelosi will let the existing Tax Cuts Expire, so you can plan on paying more in taxes.

What really scares me is that when we need to tighten our financial belts the Feds are posed to lower the prime lending rate to 1% which way below the inflation rate. This means more people who can not afford to buy a house will try to do so and eventually the loan rates will go up, and it will cause another cycle mortgage foreclosures. We should not be encouraging more credit, we should be encouraging people to pay down their debts. This kind of fiscal financial policy could lead to further lower of the value of the dollar. Right now only the devaluation of the European and Asian markets is keeping the USA afloat.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: T2T III

Originally posted by: yuppiejrSo instead of dealing with the problem (illegal immigration) we're just going to force the taxpayers in this country to foot the bill for people breaking our laws? Why is it acceptable for undocumented workers / illegal immigrants to consume the resources of this country (services) without contributing anything (taxes)?

Exactly! Instead of trying to find ways to provide healthcare for someone who came into our country under illegal pretenses, why do we have to provide any medical support for them? The issue with illegal immigration needs to be properly corrected - so, this does not consume our country and our tax dollars. Now, if someone wants to become a citizen of the U.S. - AND is willing to follow the necessary protocol to do it, I'm all for it.

Neither party is serious about the problem.

That being said, the ZOMG Obama wants to give my money to illegals is just pure crap.

I know you guys are getting to the bottom of your barrel of fear, but this is pretty weak.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

I do wonder why are people so scared though. Either way you see it, this is how our country is progressing. Looking at history you cannot STOP progress, but you can take part. I think the GOP really needs to focus on taking part in the process and return back to its roots.

Because an Obama Presidency is not necessarily progress (except for the obvious historic milestone of America having its first black President)...it would simply be part of the cyclical dynamic in American politics...I am sure hardline Democrats and liberals felt the world would end when Reagan defeated Carter.

Why are people so scared of an Obama presidency?

I think very few are scared...most conservatives are concerned with what the Pelosi/Obama one-two punch will do to the country...it took nearly three decades to purge the system of all the big government nonsense introduced by the Democrats last time they controlled the wheel.

I think the GOP really needs to re-factor itself and re-emerge as something genuine and something that resembles conservatism.

Absolutely, just as the potential exists for the Democrats to become that which they most despise...absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Excellent post

Yep.

Normally I edit out the thread to keep it clean however I am leaving it all here...simply because I am not at all surprised that Starbuck's response was totally glossed over by the liberal bozos that control this board.

We didn't want to interrupt your circle jerk. :roll:

 

[Red Dawn]

The Moral Interventionist and Fundie Whackos are frightened to death as this is probably their only chance to get one of their own this close to the White House.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: T2T III

Originally posted by: yuppiejrSo instead of dealing with the problem (illegal immigration) we're just going to force the taxpayers in this country to foot the bill for people breaking our laws? Why is it acceptable for undocumented workers / illegal immigrants to consume the resources of this country (services) without contributing anything (taxes)?

Exactly! Instead of trying to find ways to provide healthcare for someone who came into our country under illegal pretenses, why do we have to provide any medical support for them? The issue with illegal immigration needs to be properly corrected - so, this does not consume our country and our tax dollars. Now, if someone wants to become a citizen of the U.S. - AND is willing to follow the necessary protocol to do it, I'm all for it.

As has already been stated, neither party is in the least bit interested in doing anything about it. Next...

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: yuppiejr

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: quest55720
Sure for the rich they can have personal coverage. The rest of us will be stuck with second rate health care. Of those 50 million how many are young people who choose not to get insurance or illegals? You going to pay for cancer treatments for all of south America? The second UHC is passed millions will cross the boarder for free expensive treatments on my tax dollar. Any UHC plan will cost 2 to 3 times as much as any other country because of the illegals and population in such poor health.

Illegals already get free health care except it is much more expensive because they are currently only left with the option of going to the emergency room. Give them health care so that they can visit general practitioners and you will see the costs go down.

My proof is my own eyes. I live in south florida. Shall I describe to you what happens at the hospitals down here and what it costs thanks to them having no other choice when little Jose gets very ill and needs medical attention? I don't think I need to.

My father does security at a few local hospitals. This is fact.

So instead of dealing with the problem (illegal immigration) we're just going to force the taxpayers in this country to foot the bill for people breaking our laws? Why is it acceptable for undocumented workers / illegal immigrants to consume the resources of this country (services) without contributing anything (taxes)?

It is very foolish to believe that only fixing one slice of the pie is going to make the entire pie taste good, but looking at each slice individually is also an important part of making progress. Health care and illegal immigration are two separate problems that need to be treated separately, but they do tie in with each other so trying to fix one while ignoring the other is not something I would recommend. Furthermore, I refuse to keep legal Americans from enjoying the fruits that would come from a health care system like Obama's can provide just because other people are choosing to break the law.

I support Obama's ideas for Health care. However, I also support tightening up illegal immigration. In fact, I supported most of changes that Bush wanted to bring to America regarding illegal immigration the raising the bar for standards. However, I was highly against the idea of separating their families so at the end of the day I opposed it overall. I would have supported it if the plan included something which allowed those who are already here to be grandfathered in. While that would not solve the immediate problem, it would at least put on a serious cap on the continuous increase of illegals crossing the boarders just as I am sure some are doing right now as I write this post.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: piasabird
This is a joke. All I have seen for years is "I Hate B...." from democrats. No Solutions, No Ideas, and No Intelligent Thought.

Keep in mind that I have yet to see taxes reduced while a democrat was sitting in office. So just keep in mind that it is probably just a pipe dream, that will never occur. What will probably happen is the House led by Pelosi will let the existing Tax Cuts Expire, so you can plan on paying more in taxes.

What really scares me is that when we need to tighten our financial belts the Feds are posed to lower the prime lending rate to 1% which way below the inflation rate. This means more people who can not afford to buy a house will try to do so and eventually the loan rates will go up, and it will cause another cycle mortgage foreclosures. We should not be encouraging more credit, we should be encouraging people to pay down their debts. This kind of fiscal financial policy could lead to further lower of the value of the dollar. Right now only the devaluation of the European and Asian markets is keeping the USA afloat.

This says the bolded portion of your post is false

From the FactCheck.org link...

Obama's actual tax plan would indeed allow Bush tax cuts to expire, but only for the top two income tax brackets. Those would revert to pre-Bush levels, and the brackets would be adjusted if necessary to ensure that they include only individuals making more than $200,000 per year, or couples making more than $250,000. (Two percent of the population will make more than $250,000 next year).

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: piasabird
This is a joke. All I have seen for years is "I Hate B...." from democrats. No Solutions, No Ideas, and No Intelligent Thought.

Keep in mind that I have yet to see taxes reduced while a democrat was sitting in office. So just keep in mind that it is probably just a pipe dream, that will never occur. What will probably happen is the House led by Pelosi will let the existing Tax Cuts Expire, so you can plan on paying more in taxes.

What really scares me is that when we need to tighten our financial belts the Feds are posed to lower the prime lending rate to 1% which way below the inflation rate. This means more people who can not afford to buy a house will try to do so and eventually the loan rates will go up, and it will cause another cycle mortgage foreclosures. We should not be encouraging more credit, we should be encouraging people to pay down their debts. This kind of fiscal financial policy could lead to further lower of the value of the dollar. Right now only the devaluation of the European and Asian markets is keeping the USA afloat.

This says the bolded portion of your post is false

From the FactCheck.org link...

Obama's actual tax plan would indeed allow Bush tax cuts to expire, but only for the top two income tax brackets. Those would revert to pre-Bush levels, and the brackets would be adjusted if necessary to ensure that they include only individuals making more than $200,000 per year, or couples making more than $250,000. (Two percent of the population will make more than $250,000 next year).

How can you call his post false when it's a prediction of a future which has not yet arrived? Tax plans proposed by candidates are nothing more than pipe dreams; there's virtually no chance they will become law in their original form (or anything resembling that). You may be too young to remember, but Clinton ran on a "middle class tax cut" in '92 (promising to cut taxes is practically required these days), and yet we never saw it. A campaign promise is nothing more than a lie followed by applause.