How Rich think different Vs the rest

[Corn]

.........Too bad you weren't born to a North Korean peasant family.

..............

You definitely think differently, no doubt about that. Here's hoping you choke on it.

Loliberals.....always angry and wishing failure on their fellow man. Misery loves company and the typical liberals are the most miserable people i've witnessed...either posting here or in real life. I'd tell you to get a life instead of wishing bad fortune on your fellow man....but that is what makes you liberals so amusing to watch. You and Spidey are 2 heads of the same pathetic coin, wishing each other failure. Spidey hoping your ideology fails and ruins the country so his side can gain politically, and you wishing personal tragedy upon him.

You are both pathetic morons.

 

[Jhhnn]

Loliberals.....always angry and wishing failure on their fellow man. Misery loves company and the typical liberals are the most miserable people i've witnessed...either posting here or in real life. I'd tell you to get a life instead of wishing bad fortune on your fellow man....but that is what makes you liberals so amusing to watch. You and Spidey are 2 heads of the same pathetic coin, wishing each other failure. Spidey hoping your ideology fails and ruins the country so his side can gain politically, and you wishing personal tragedy upon him.

You are both pathetic morons.

Coming from you, I'll take that as a compliment.

I didn't actually wish bad fortune on Spidey, anyway, I just offered (metaphorically, hypothetically) that his perspective would probably be different if he'd had a different accident of birth.

I know I'm lucky, Corn, in more ways than I'll ever appreciate, and so is Spidey- how about you?

 

[Jhhnn]

Lol! I love my life. Let your jealousy flow and feed your anger.

In negotiations on a million dollar home (not any more it's not, because I'm going to steal it based on the current real estate market). Can't wait to send you a picture that says - "fuck you liberal, I got mine!"

You see, liberal, what you perceive as smugness is called confidence, determination and optimism. Not the "woe is me, somebody elses fault, it's because of somebody else that I'm not successful" that truly is, the mind of a liberal.

Lots of fear in that, Spidey, mixed with bravado, and a desire to get over on the world. Getting over isn't exactly hard work.

I haven't related any tales of personal woe, at all. We're prosperous, debt-free homeowners, high net worth by middle class standards, in part through diligence & hard work, but also just from being in the right place at the right time through no fault of my own. I'm sure you're little different, regardless of your monstrous & insecure ego.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Can we quantify happiness with any certainty and say who is and who isn't?

Yes. Would you like citations?

 

[soccerballtux]

Right when the bubbles and credit card ran out. How convenient.

No I'm speaking of roundabouts 1995-96. Seems about then that all morality was tossed for corporate financial gain. Before then there appeared to be at least something resembling a general acknowledgement that there are certain things you simply do not do. There's always been businessmen looking to gain everything at the cost of anything, but since roundabouts then they've become a dime a dozen. That is our problem. What we're seeing now are just symptoms. You cannot have a good society without good men.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Instead of looking at someone better off than you, wanting to pull them down to your level, and wasting all sorts of energy in bitter envy against them, why not put that energy to use and work on bettering yourself instead?

I fully understand that some of us will never see the income figures of some people out there. I never expect to see a couple hundred thousand salary, let alone a million. But I'll see what I can do about working my way up to where I can.

And to be quite frank, I don't want to have a million dollar salary anyway. Yes, you read that right, I don't want that. It isn't all that appealing to me. There is so much more to life than just a huge salary.

Uh oh, with that statement what did I just possibly do to your preconceived notion that all republicans are filthy rich, or all wish to be? What now? Are some heads gonna explode?

 

[HendrixFan]

Faith had a LOT to do with it; exercising my mind every day despite my situation had a LOT to do with it as well. Over all the world is what you make of it, unless you decide your a victim: at which point you've made the world something that victimizes you.

You have a great story, and I have been paying attention to your weight loss from the H&F subforum. You obviously are very driven and have made great achievements. However, just because you made it out that doesn't mean everyone else can.

Based on your experiences and achievements, you are quite clearly in the upper end of the bell curve in intelligence. Not everyone is though, nor can they be. That is how bell curves work.

While this is a different point than Dave was making in some ways, it is similar in others. Where you are born is the most important factor in your social class you end up in. Someone with lower intelligence and drive but born into a better family will nearly always do better than someone of greater intelligence and drive but was born into a poor family. Exceptions will always exist, and you are certainly one of the exceptions. The problem is that our society doesn't truly reward those who have potential except in those rare cases.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

However, just because you made it out that doesn't mean everyone else can.... you are quite clearly in the upper end of the bell curve in intelligence. Not everyone is though.

This is a good point.

But I think you're more likely to make it out if you don't think of yourself as a victim (even if that is the truth for many)

Someone with lower intelligence and drive but born into a better family will nearly always do better than someone of greater intelligence and drive but was born into a poor family.

I may be wrong, but what I've heard is that social mobility in the US is rather good when intelligence is taken into account.

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2006/04/b1579981.html

this seems not to look at intellect; but assume that everyone is born equally capable so it's social factors to blame... which according to what I've read is about 33% wrong.

According to Scot Shane about 33% of the variance in our work-related outcomes is directly attributable to our gene-environment correlations with the rest being direct-environmental or unexplained effects.

the problem is that our society doesn't truly reward those who have potential except in those rare cases.

No doubt, we should do a better job as a society; but exceptions are more and more possible because our society has gotten better and better at helping them occur.

I like that we assume that hard-work and ability should be what gets us ahead in life.

I think that this is an assumption not shared by our communist OP.

 

[Chaosblade02]

You know most people say money don't buy happiness, but that is usually poor people you hear saying that. The few times I've had a lot of money I was pretty happy. When I was dirt broke I was also depressed.

Being broke an unemployed really takes a toll on your self esteem. Some people get into that pit and never manage to pull themselves out in their entire life. Other people have never experienced what this is like.

I think most rich people have not had their character and self esteem tested by the same hardships that people of the lower class have to go through on a daily basis.

If you are rich and worked your way up from the bottom, because you are smart and worked hard, then I give you props, and congratulate you on your success.

But if you are one of those born with it, and haven't really worked for anything, but still act like you are something special sitting on a high horse looking down at people less fortunate than you then I absolutely despise you.

 

[HendrixFan]

I may be wrong, but what I've heard is that social mobility in the US is rather good when intelligence is taken into account.

Social mobility is pretty good overall, though as your link shows other countries are better than us at it. It can be better. While intelligence should have a measurable impact on mobility, I would think that economic factors trump it. That is my main beef with how social mobility works here.

When the luck of the draw (the family you are born into) has a larger correlation to your future wealth than whatever potential you have, society isn't being as productive as it can be. We aren't maximizing our potential, or even coming close, if we have a pseudo aristocracy in place.

The victim mentality never does work. It's like the old adage about not caring if someone falls down, but only whether or not they get back up. While many (many many) that occupy the lower rungs of social classes do fall into victim mentality, there is likely an equally large group of lower and middle class people who recognize the barriers put in place that prohibit social mobility but are called out for having a victim mentality. Of course, the flip side of the victim mentality is the Ayn Rand mentality that some conservatives take that their success is due to their own greatness. They fail to see that opportunity and luck play a bigger role, and that the same opportunity and luck doesn't happen upon everyone.

 

[halik]

I too am jealous of others' instead of focusing on my own.

 

[Chaosblade02]

There are a lot of people who are very, very smart, but have poor interpersonal skills, which is a factor that could prevent a lot of people from being successful. I don't think interpersonal skills are genetic like IQ, but something that is developed from experience and interacting with people.

I would say someone of average IQ with great interpersonal skills has a better chance at success than someone of an IQ of 140+ with poor interpersonal skills.

IQ isn't the end all be all, it just represents your cognitive ability, and just because you got it doesn't mean you are using it properly to achieve your goals.

Self esteem is also an issue for some. If you got bad interpersonal skills + low self esteem, I don't care how high your IQ is, you are going to fail epically.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

there is likely an equally large group of lower and middle class people who recognize the barriers put in place that prohibit social mobility but are called out for having a victim mentality.

Sometimes I'm disgusted by how rational and reasonable conversations get here.

I don't know that it's an equal proportion of people though; it's an interesting question, but overall I have read that only depressed people see themselves where they really are in the world.

I would say someone of average IQ with great interpersonal skills has a better chance at success than someone of an IQ of 140+ with poor interpersonal skills.

This was me until I realized that the programmer mentality doesn't work IRL. Turns out that pointing out flaws is NOT how you deal with others!

 

[dmcowen674]

There are a lot of people who are very, very smart, but have poor interpersonal skills, which is a factor that could prevent a lot of people from being successful. I don't think interpersonal skills are genetic like IQ, but something that is developed from experience and interacting with people.

I would say someone of average IQ with great interpersonal skills has a better chance at success than someone of an IQ of 140+ with poor interpersonal skills.

IQ isn't the end all be all, it just represents your cognitive ability, and just because you got it doesn't mean you are using it properly to achieve your goals.

Self esteem is also an issue for some. If you got bad interpersonal skills + low self esteem, I don't care how high your IQ is, you are going to fail epically.

Fuck off








interpersonal enough???

 

[randomrogue]

Rich and poor alike have access to the internet, public libraries, schools, and equal opportunity up to a point.

A kid that gets straight A's, reads every book he gets his hands on, works hard, etc can get scholarships and go to a really good college and then get a really good job.

Once you get beyond that though yes rich have more opportunities than poor people since a poor person who wasted say 20 years of their life accomplishing nothing is pretty much screwed.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Rich and poor alike have access to the internet, public libraries, schools, and equal opportunity up to a point.

A kid that gets straight A's, reads every book he gets his hands on, works hard, etc can get scholarships and go to a really good college and then get a really good job.

Once you get beyond that though yes rich have more opportunities than poor people since a poor person who wasted say 20 years of their life accomplishing nothing is pretty much screwed.

But what incentive does the poor person have to study hard if they don't have a model of someone who studied hard and made it in life to follow?

<Proof i'm a worthless sack of shit troll not worth the cyber-space I take up>

afuckheadsayswhat?

 

[randomrogue]

But what incentive does the poor person have to study hard if they don't have a model of someone who studied hard and made it in life to follow?

There are good poor parents and there are bad rich parents. A rich kid with bad parents might end up in the same shithole as a poor kid with bad parents.

With that said, motivation could be a good teacher, coach, or those books they're reading.

I've been both rich and poor. Being poor sucks. However money isn't all it's cracked up to be either. We try to convince ourselves as a culture that money cures all but that's frankly a crock of shit. Rich people can buy more toys and have access to getting richer. That's about it.

People that are multi-generationally poor generally are kept out of a few loops. They might live paycheck to paycheck and not even have a bank account. They probably don't have a 401K and don't even understand the power of compound interest. They simply don't have the tools at their disposal to get out of poverty. At my work I had a very hard time convincing any of my laborers to put money into their 401K. They all just wanted to get their paycheck, go to a check cashing place, and get their cash. I literally wrote up a page explaining to one of our 19 year old employees (and everyone else but he was the youngest) what would happen if he put aside $100 a month and it grew at 5% a year. By the time he retired it would be worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. Today he's I think 27 with 2 or 3 kids and has yet to put money aside into his 401K. They just don't get it.

 

[Abwx]

The poor : Those madda fuc..kers wealthy wants all the money for themselves
the easiest way possible without even moving a finger...

The rich : Those basta..rds of poor wants all the money the easiest way without even doing the slightest work...

 

[Nebor]

The poor : Those madda fuc..kers wealthy wants all the money for themselves
the easiest way possible without even moving a finger...

The rich : Those basta..rds of poor wants all the money the easiest way without even doing the slightest work...

Do you think there's a filter here or are you just fucking retarded?

 

[werepossum]

There are a lot of people who are very, very smart, but have poor interpersonal skills, which is a factor that could prevent a lot of people from being successful. I don't think interpersonal skills are genetic like IQ, but something that is developed from experience and interacting with people.

I would say someone of average IQ with great interpersonal skills has a better chance at success than someone of an IQ of 140+ with poor interpersonal skills.

IQ isn't the end all be all, it just represents your cognitive ability, and just because you got it doesn't mean you are using it properly to achieve your goals.

Self esteem is also an issue for some. If you got bad interpersonal skills + low self esteem, I don't care how high your IQ is, you are going to fail epically.

This is probably true, at least outside of a few very specialized fields. Even if you find a job requiring very high intelligence and no collaboration and cooperation, you still have to convince someone that you're the one to do it. Even if you are an independent inventor, you still have to convince someone to buy or invest in your invention.

 

[Abwx]

Do you think there's a filter here or are you just fucking retarded?

About being retarded, you should know that nowhere in the world
people use as much slang that in the US, and as such , many non
english site have the relevant filters....

Or you speak only english ??..:biggrin:

Isnt the word ****** filtered by there ??..:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:
(N;;;I,,GGER) , just make a test.....

 

[Nebor]

About being retarded, you should know that anywhere in the world
people use as much slang that in the US, and as such , many non
english site have the relevant filters....:biggrin:

Isnt the word ****** filtered by there ??..

There are no word filters here.

 

[Abwx]

There are a lot of people who are very, very smart, but have poor interpersonal skills, which is a factor that could prevent a lot of people from being successful. I don't think interpersonal skills are genetic like IQ, but something that is developed from experience and interacting with people.

I would say someone of average IQ with great interpersonal skills has a better chance at success than someone of an IQ of 140+ with poor interpersonal skills.

IQ isn't the end all be all, it just represents your cognitive ability, and just because you got it doesn't mean you are using it properly to achieve your goals.

Self esteem is also an issue for some. If you got bad interpersonal skills + low self esteem, I don't care how high your IQ is, you are going to fail epically.

Interesting post..

Skills can be quite a burden...

Someone who is skilled will forcibly be subject to baseless attacks
in a competitive environement as the others people , let say mediocre ones, will ally to get rid of the one that threaten to be given more
advancement , hence he s a threat for everyone else , since evryone
fear to be barred in his career/advancement in the benefit of the skilled.

So the mediocres always conspire together against the skilled , and that s
why in political or corporate areas , only the most ruthless enjoy success.

So the ultimate skill is to be an hypocrite , this is were this rule of
the mediocres has lead the world...

 

[jackstar7]

And to be quite frank, I don't want to have a million dollar salary anyway. Yes, you read that right, I don't want that. It isn't all that appealing to me. There is so much more to life than just a huge salary.

Uh oh, with that statement what did I just possibly do to your preconceived notion that all republicans are filthy rich, or all wish to be? What now? Are some heads gonna explode?

Actually I think the name they give you is: RINO

 

[Craig234]

Actually I think the name they give you is: RINO

Most Republicans aren't after million dollar salaries.

They're happy to just have more than those a little poorer, who they hate passionately.

It's like the crabs which you can put in a kettle; when one starts to climb out the others pull it back in.

This is why they so easily oppose their own interests, because they're opposing those below them from catching up, which is all they really care about.

They don't really care about the rich, not viewing them as a threat the way they do those below them.

They view the rich as allies in keeping those below them both down, if anything.

This is why Republican candidates are so effective when attacking entitlements and anti-poverty programs - these people are enraged at 'giveaways for the scum'.

It's a sick and hateful ideology of peasants. They're riding the nation down with it.

That's a lot of what's changed since these programs were created.

In the great depression, anti-poverty helped 'us'. Now, it helps 'them'.