How Rich think different Vs the rest

[dmcowen674]

YARPT (Yet another Rich Vs Poor Thread)

Basically every rich Republican I run in to where money is no object tells me the same underlying piece of crap, that I control everything that happens.

What a bunch of bull.

This is the fundamental difference in the divide of why people with money think they are different from those that have to worry about having enough money.

Those with money can move Heaven and Earth.

Those without money Earth and Heaven move them.

 

[drebo]

Better attitude than the rich Democrats out there, with their "I know better than you what's good for you" attitude.

Aside from that: posting in a troll thread.

 

[Ronstang]

You could never understand this Dave because you make very bad decisions and then blame everyone else but yourself when the outcome is less than desirable. You can't fix your problems because your not willing to identify the core issue.

It has nothing to do with having so much money that it is no longer an object. I certainly don't have that kind of money but I pretty much control all aspects of my life through good planning and decision making. And by "control" I don't mean I always get everything the way I want it but I do minimize bad outcomes by avoiding situations that lead down that path and by always being prepared to deal with the unknown and unexpected.

If you carefully analyze most people's lives you will find for the most part that their decisions and actions have put them in their current place in life, whether that be a life of success or a life of failure. You need to look closer in the mirror in the morning Dave.

 

[MovingTarget]

Better attitude than the rich Democrats out there, with their "I know better than you what's good for you" attitude.

Aside from that: posting in a troll thread.

How is that any better than the rich Republicans stance of "I know better than you what's good for you" attitude, telling people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps after having taken their boots.

This isn't about Democrats vs. Republicans. This is about class. It is much easier to say what poor people should do or could do when you don't have the threat of not being able to get medical care, proper nutrition, shelter, etc. hanging over your head.

True opportunity can only occur in this country if:
a) you allow citizens the freedom to advance
b) you allow citizens the real opportunity to use said freedom (via safety nets)

You can't pick just one. Those who have already "made it" must sacrifice some so that true opportunity can be had by those who haven't. That doesn't mean "omgsocialism" or that anything drastic would have to be done outside of the historic norm in the US in the 20th century.

Call it class warfare if you want, but it is the truth. True social mobility is on a very steep decline in this country due to the policies of the past forty years. If you were born poor today, you are more likely to end up that way yourself despite your best efforts as compared to the past two generations.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Good point OP.

Loosers think that life just happens to them; this is why they remain loosers.

I'm poor, but I'm sure as fuck not a looser and in a decade's time I'll be a "rich-ass hole" as you put it because i moved heaven and earth; not with money, but with passion and hard work.

So yea, it doesn't matter how much money you make: you are rich if you dedicate yourself to a passion and spend less than you make, you are poor if you do what you do for financial reward and speed more than you make.

The former know the world is what they make of it, the latter complain that the world made them who they are.

there are extreme cases, but the case you bring up better be more extreme than mine:
Raised by drug-addict parents in roach-filled houses, having seen my father's flesh eaten by said roaches, beaten when he was drunk left to rot when they where partying. Average income of 20k a year for 5 kids; no one in my family had an education or even aspired to one, dyslexia runs heavily in the family, along with ADD, thrill seeking and addiction, i grew up in one of the the most poor and poorly educated places in the US...

Now I'm being paid to do a Ph.D. in business and expect six fugues when I get out, have a beautiful wife, soon to be 3 kids and owe 60k on my 300k home.

Faith had a LOT to do with it; exercising my mind every day despite my situation had a LOT to do with it as well. Over all the world is what you make of it, unless you decide your a victim: at which point you've made the world something that victimizes you.

One more point:
Without the pel grant, a state higher education system (not to mention the rest of schooling) and student loans I would be just as uneducated as those who came before me.

 

[EagleKeeper]

And what do the rich Democrats say to you when you meet them. Here - have a helping hand?

 

[Doppel]

OP is a professional victim. As said above

Loosers think that life just happens to them; this is why they remain loosers.

Although odds are stacked against or for us depending on our birth, color, etc. most of us are not so depressed about our lot as the OP is in all his threads that we cannot admit that we need to develop ourselves to try and maximize outcome using what we can control.

 

[Infohawk]

It isn't that productive to get angry at rich people.

Everyone thinks differently based on their different experiences. So what? You have to communicate your experience or preferably rely on objective facts if you want people to listen to you.

 

[Greenman]

YARPT (Yet another Rich Vs Poor Thread)

Basically every rich Republican I run in to where money is no object tells me the same underlying piece of crap, that I control everything that happens.

What a bunch of bull.

This is the fundamental difference in the divide of why people with money think they are different from those that have to worry about having enough money.

Those with money can move Heaven and Earth.

Those without money Earth and Heaven move them.

I've never met a rich republican.

 

[brencat]

It has nothing to do with having so much money that it is no longer an object. I certainly don't have that kind of money but I pretty much control all aspects of my life through good planning and decision making. And by "control" I don't mean I always get everything the way I want it but I do minimize bad outcomes by avoiding situations that lead down that path and by always being prepared to deal with the unknown and unexpected.

If you carefully analyze most people's lives you will find for the most part that their decisions and actions have put them in their current place in life, whether that be a life of success or a life of failure. You need to look closer in the mirror in the morning Dave.

This!

And DixyCrat... great personal story of triumph over tough odds. :thumbsup:

 

[dmcowen674]

Call it class warfare if you want, but it is the truth.

True social mobility is on a very steep decline in this country due to the policies of the past forty years.

If you were born poor today, you are more likely to end up that way yourself despite your best efforts as compared to the past two generations.

Other than exceptions rather than the norm exactly.

 

[dmcowen674]

You could never understand this Dave because you make very bad decisions and then blame everyone else but yourself when the outcome is less than desirable. You can't fix your problems because your not willing to identify the core issue.

It has nothing to do with having so much money that it is no longer an object. I certainly don't have that kind of money but I pretty much control all aspects of my life through good planning and decision making. And by "control" I don't mean I always get everything the way I want it but I do minimize bad outcomes by avoiding situations that lead down that path and by always being prepared to deal with the unknown and unexpected.

If you carefully analyze most people's lives you will find for the most part that their decisions and actions have put them in their current place in life, whether that be a life of success or a life of failure. You need to look closer in the mirror in the morning Dave.

My Rigs
1957 Thunderbird
1966 Shelby G.T.350H #1781
1966 Mustang Fastback restomod project
1966 Mustang Coupe restomod project (this one will get over 30 mpg!!)

You are exactly the kind removed from reality.

You have money to burn playing with not one but multiple vintage cars.
Come on, be real.

You are the one that needs to look in the mirror.

You'll find that you think your shit doesn't smell and you don't put on pants the same way.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Basically every rich Republican I run in to where money is no object tells me the same underlying piece of crap, that I control everything that happens.

They suffer from a mythological belief in Meritocracy--people get what they deserve. But try telling that to unemployed and underemployed college graduates who have advanced and professional degrees or to laid off workers.

Someone who had all the right family connections or who was born into money or who was blessed with amazing interview skills might conclude that his success was completely based on his own merit while ignoring his membership in the Lucky Sperm Club. It's easy to ignore the importance of good luck and the avoidance of bad luck. It's a self-affirming thing to do.

This is the fundamental difference in the divide of why people with money think they are different from those that have to worry about having enough money.

It's just another manifestation of the "I've got mine, F-you!" mentality.

 

[dmcowen674]

Good point OP.

Loosers think that life just happens to them; this is why they remain loosers.

I'm poor, but I'm sure as fuck not a looser and in a decade's time I'll be a "rich-ass hole" as you put it because i moved heaven and earth; not with money, but with passion and hard work.

So yea, it doesn't matter how much money you make: you are rich if you dedicate yourself to a passion and spend less than you make, you are poor if you do what you do for financial reward and speed more than you make.

The former know the world is what they make of it, the latter complain that the world made them who they are.

there are extreme cases, but the case you bring up better be more extreme than mine:
Raised by drug-addict parents in roach-filled houses, having seen my father's flesh eaten by said roaches, beaten when he was drunk left to rot when they where partying. Average income of 20k a year for 5 kids; no one in my family had an education or even aspired to one, dyslexia runs heavily in the family, along with ADD, thrill seeking and addiction, i grew up in one of the the most poor and poorly educated places in the US...

Now I'm being paid to do a Ph.D. in business and expect six fugues when I get out, have a beautiful wife, soon to be 3 kids and owe 60k on my 300k home.

Faith had a LOT to do with it; exercising my mind every day despite my situation had a LOT to do with it as well. Over all the world is what you make of it, unless you decide your a victim: at which point you've made the world something that victimizes you.

One more point:
Without the pel grant, a state higher education system (not to mention the rest of schooling) and student loans I would be just as uneducated as those who came before me.

Congrats on beating adversity at home and at least you acknowledged without the "money" that gave you the opportunity you would not have the chance of becoming the "rich-ass" as you said you will be.

So like you, one more point:

If those grants didn't come, faith and passion would not have done it alone.

 

[dmcowen674]

It's just another manifestation of the "I've got mine, F-you!" mentality.

and this thread clearly demonstrates that immediately.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

and this thread clearly demonstrates that immediately.

It really doesn't..


Most "rich" people worked for it.. Granted there are the 5-10% that are short term rich through chance but most people with real money consistently say you have to work for it.. This really is nothing new.

 

[soccerballtux]

YARPT (Yet another Rich Vs Poor Thread)

Basically every rich Republican I run in to where money is no object tells me the same underlying piece of crap, that I control everything that happens.

What a bunch of bull.

This is the fundamental difference in the divide of why people with money think they are different from those that have to worry about having enough money.

Those with money can move Heaven and Earth.

Those without money Earth and Heaven move them.

from a certain point of view, they're right, but they've never had to build Maslow's Hierarchy upside down, which is what poor people have to do. Having been on the extreme side of poverty, I am qualified to speak. I've been on the razor's edge at work for the first year and a half. It's no wonder that people more fucked up than me just can't make it in the workplace. I, for one, barely can.

So, David, I feel your pain. What you have that they don't have is Wisdom. They don't "get it" because they've never had to deal with the odds that many people face. The truth is that they wouldn't be any better off than you were they put in your situation. They mistake themselves for being "better" when all that's really different is they started "better off". There's a big difference.

Having the steady income that I now do, plus a bit of faith, has done wonders for my psyche. I now have enough free mental capacity to apply myself to my job and concern myself with ways to take the world in my hands. Haven't ever been able to think that way in my life.

I am anti-that-view which you find prevalent in Republicans.
I am also anti-extreme-version-of-my-views which would be "I'm helpless so the government should take it from the rich people and give it to me."
Both are wrong. Democrats choose one side, Republicans choose the other.

 

[Paul98]

It really doesn't..


Most "rich" people worked for it.. Granted there are the 5-10% that are short term rich through chance but most people with real money consistently say you have to work for it.. This really is nothing new.

Sure a lot of rich people worked for it. but so do most of the people who aren't rich. Tons of people work there ass off, only a very small portion actually become rich.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

If those grants didn't come, faith and passion would not have done it alone.

Without grants it would have taken much longer.
Without the state school system it would have taken until now to start any education.

Overall we are all better off by investing in education.

 

[trenchfoot]

Look at the backgrounds and histories of many of the very rich, especially the old monied ones. The robber barons, the ruthless ones, the ones that ruined the lives of thousands to acquire their wealth. So many present-day famous and infamous names in business and industry will pop right out. Look at the ones who gained their fortunes by exploiting our nation's war making capabilities. Look at the ones who gained their wealth and power by trading our soldiers, sailors and airmens blood for money. Look at what those big powerful businessmen-turned-politicans did to our economy from 2000-2008 as their lust for riches, more power and influence overcame their morals and sense of patriotism.

Look at how the Koch brothers manipulate and exploit our politicians to destroy the unions and acquire power and influence for more wealth than they could ever spend on themselves in a thousand lifetimes. Look at the politicians who gladly sold their souls to the Koch's for a little taste of the Koch's financial empire.

And now look at those who would defend and worship these obsessively greed-driven power hungry "icons of wealth and stature". Those that would become as obsessive, power-hungry, ruthless and treacherous as the ones that "made it to the top" if given the chance.

Sadly, those are the ones that eventually get ahead because they are willing to be that way where most others are not. They are the ones who take control by being conniving and treacherous. Small wonder that many of those at the very top are exactly what the Cheney's and the Koch's of the world are like.

For them, it's nothing personal to ruin lives and destroy whole nations to get what they want when they want it.

It's just business.....as usual.

 

[Matt1970]

This is America. Quit bitching about what other people have and get your own.

 

[dmcowen674]

from a certain point of view, they're right, but they've never had to build Maslow's Hierarchy upside down, which is what poor people have to do. Having been on the extreme side of poverty, I am qualified to speak. I've been on the razor's edge at work for the first year and a half. It's no wonder that people more fucked up than me just can't make it in the workplace. I, for one, barely can.

So, David, I feel your pain. What you have that they don't have is Wisdom. They don't "get it" because they've never had to deal with the odds that many people face. The truth is that they wouldn't be any better off than you were they put in your situation. They mistake themselves for being "better" when all that's really different is they started "better off". There's a big difference.

Having the steady income that I now do, plus a bit of faith, has done wonders for my psyche. I now have enough free mental capacity to apply myself to my job and concern myself with ways to take the world in my hands. Haven't ever been able to think that way in my life.

I am anti-that-view which you find prevalent in Republicans.
I am also anti-extreme-version-of-my-views which would be "I'm helpless so the government should take it from the rich people and give it to me."
Both are wrong. Democrats choose one side, Republicans choose the other.

Some excellent posts and honesty in here.

Thank you to those :thumbsup:

 

[HeXen]

reality is that some people can't help but be where they are at in life due to their own mental capacities. You can't just tell some broke dick that he's broke cause he made bad decisions, thats just a face value. in truth he may be there cause he lacked the mental capacity and ambition to make decisions that he may not even have preferred. That's not saying broke dick A is retarded, its saying broke dick A, due to upbringing...and crap ton of other factors, has his own preferences and variances that factored in his decisions in life.
Now if broke dick A was brought up in a rich family, statistics show that its more likely for him to succeed, likewise those stats show trends in poor families raising kids who turn out to be poor still on average. Perhaps how and where you grow up place a high factor in our adult decision making.
For all intents and purposes, our decisions are part of who we are. none of us foresaw how we are now financially, even your best choices would unlikely have made you the next Trump or Gates due to outside factors.

 

[ky54]

I believe you are equating money to happiness. That is a false presumption.

 

[dmcowen674]

I believe you are equating money to happiness.

That is a false presumption.

Well known

There are many rich that will never be happy just there are many poor that are very happy.