How Pro-Choice are Democrats?

[nehalem256]

But since abortion is the only thing of the body that is not currently pro-choice, people argue that fact on abortion more than anything. So people only correlate pro-choice to abortion and not any/all body manipulations.

Prostitution is currently illegal in 49/50 states.

 

[SheHateMe]

Prostitution is currently illegal in 49/50 states.

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What does that have to do with anyth....


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[nehalem256]

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What does that have to do with anyth....


*sigh*

How can abortion be a right, when prostitution is illegal. They are both about women being allowed to make choices about their body.

 

[SheHateMe]

How can abortion be a right, when prostitution is illegal. They are both about women being allowed to make choices about their body.

LMAO Wow Dude...

Yes, being pimped out by a man that abuses you, takes most of your earnings, etc...is definitely a choice for most prostitutes. Not to mention the prostitutes that end up on the street in various countries due to sex trafficking. Not to mention the underage girls that end up prostituting because they are runaways and some grown as man manipulated them into thinking he can take the best care for them..etc.

Prostitution is definitely Pro-Choice.

 

[Ausm]

I am a republican. I am pro choice.

Your move.

Ok I'll bite...don't plan on getting into Politics.

 

[Ausm]

Are you Cybrsage's alt?

I was thinking the same thing...

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Although I admire the Reason folks for their intellectual consistency they are trying to be too cute with this one.

Everyone knows what the term pro-choice means and the context that meaning exists in.

Also, you always have a choice to join a Union or not, but it may not be a true freedom of choice (ie its the only job you can get). However, you are trying to imply that because A occured and then B occured, A caused B. So, just because a majority of Dems support the right to have Unions, that does not imply they support all actions by all unions everywhere.

The same can be said of the position and it's still not the point. Abortion in terms of political capital is something thats not compromised on. There will be freedom of choice. The government has no right to interfere. Then we come to the Mandate. The government does not have the right to force you to have health insurance, but somehow it has the power to tax to coerce or even ruin you. Thats fine although it's understood that the power to tax is the power to destroy, and no one has set a limit on punishment taxes. In fact there is no demonstrable proof that such a reasoning cannot be used for a great many things you would not like. The argument of "government would never do that"? It never would tax you as a punishment for that which is not an enumerated power either, but it surely can now. That is a faith based argument, and philosophically hypocritical. Note this is not a pro or anti abortion argument. It's a comment on the willingness to support wildly disparate justifications based on agenda. It's also not an approval of republicans, which twist into knots to do the same, and it is a part of the reason I cannot abide partisan mentality. It leads to only being able to see on the Right or Left. Blind is blind.

 

[feralkid]

How can abortion be a right, when prostitution is illegal. They are both about women being allowed to make choices about their body.

Buying a pair of shoes is a choice about your body.

We're talking about Reproductive rights.

 

[diesbudt]

Sorry, when have you ever seen the term "Pro-Choice" being associated with drinking or smoking in Politics? We all know that choosing to do something means you have a choice...but what is being said here in the OP by someone with a slice of Pepperoni Pizza for a brain is that Democrats are "Pro-Choice" about abortion, but not gungho for other things like "schools of choice" (another political term), drinking, smoking, etc.

Maybe you should go to a populated area in your town and ask a few people what comes to mind when they think of the term "Pro-Choice". If they say anything other than abortion, I will send you a box of cookies.

Challenged Accepted.

Polled the 5 other Engineers in my office

3 said Abortion (2 guys 1 girl, all republicans)
1 said ability to choose ones own body manipulations (49 year old female, republican)
The other said "Fuck if I care" (41 year old spanish guy, no idea on affliation)

As i stated before EVERYTHING else that could be covered under pro-choice... is already pro choice, except Abortion.

That is the only reason people associate abortion with pro-choice more than anything.

 

[Atreus21]

Reason TV went to the DNC and asked people there views on different choice issues
Democrats claim to be pro-choice but there only pro-choice when it comes to abortion. On other choices they aren't pro-choice at all such as eating fast food, the choice to be in a union, school choice. They believe on many issues people shouldn't be able to make their own choice

Many of the people at the DNC said government has a right to ban trans fats/fast food and other things

You could really summarize the American political system this way. "I want a small government when it concerns me, but a big government for everyone else."

So why do Democrats claim to be pro-choice when they really aren't pro choice at all? And why do they think its alright to not allow people to make their own decisions?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwejQBIyjow

In fairness pro-lifers aren't pro-life in the strict sense either. We believe for the most part that there are times when someone rightly loses their life.

They're just names for the factions. If we were to name them honestly, they'd be pro-abortion and anti-abortion.

 

[Acanthus]

"I want to be pro abortion for the baby killing, on the other hand, it does give women a choice."
-Ghandi, Stalin, and other liberals.

 

[Moonbeam]

God Damn It, Pro Choice is what I say it is.

 

[diesbudt]

Ok I'll bite...don't plan on getting into Politics.

Me politics? yea no thanks I am not insane enough.

I am all for pro-choice and all that good stuff. My party affiliation is only such that on fiscal policies, as I like it more, not social policies, because over time reguardless what other republicans want to keep the same it will change.

***TO prevent derailment and people arguing over this fact (I am not saying republican fiscal policy is better, or that the democratic policy won't work. I am jjust simply saying in my opinion and how business works for me, I like the republican fiscal policy better. That is it.)

 

[SheHateMe]

"I want to be pro abortion for the baby killing, on the other hand, it does give women a choice."
-Ghandi, Stalin, and other liberals.

a fetus is not a baby.
a fetus is not a baby.
a fetus is not a baby.
a fetus is not a baby.
a fetus is not a baby.
a fetus is not a baby.
a fetus is not a baby.
a fetus is not a baby.

 

[Ausm]

Challenged Accepted.

Polled the 5 other Engineers in my office

3 said Abortion (2 guys 1 girl, all republicans)
1 said ability to choose ones own body manipulations (49 year old female, republican)
The other said "Fuck if I care" (41 year old spanish guy, no idea on affliation)

As i stated before EVERYTHING else that could be covered under pro-choice... is already pro choice, except Abortion.

That is the only reason people associate abortion with pro-choice more than anything.

Wow that's a sweeping comprehensive slice of Americana to draw a conclusion from LMAO!!!

 

[SheHateMe]

Wow that's a sweeping comprehensive slice of Americana to draw a conclusion from LMAO!!!

Yes, and still failed to show that most people don't immediately think about Abortion when they hear "Pro-Choice".

And..I DO think I asked him to go to a highly populated area. He'd probably get better results..but judging from his workplace survey..I expect it to be the same.

 

[diesbudt]

Prostitution is currently illegal in 49/50 states.

A) What does this have to do with anything?
B) There is a state with it being legal, yet it is illegal federally?


Remember prositution is illegal. Yet un-marital sex isn't. So the pro-choice argument here doesn't work.

 

[diesbudt]

Yes, and still failed to show that most people don't immediately think about Abortion when they hear "Pro-Choice".

You told me to find 1. I found one in the 5 minutes it took to walk around and ask.

I was not in anyway shape or form trying to show what America thinks.

Again. Pro-choice is anything about ones body. However everything else (outside abortion) is already allowed, so no one hears about pro-choice on those topics.

 

[SheHateMe]

A) What does this have to do with anything?
B) There is a state with it being legal, yet it is illegal federally?


Remember prositution is illegal. Yet un-marital sex isn't. So the pro-choice argument here doesn't work.

Also, isn't prostitution ONLY legal in the Las Vegas area?


*edit Brothels are only legal in Nevada, you cannot go out onto the streets and sale your vagina. So, incorruptible is stupid...again.

 

[diesbudt]

Wow that's a sweeping comprehensive slice of Americana to draw a conclusion from LMAO!!!

(See my previous post in whcih I quoted someoen else who quoetd you)

I was told to find 1. I did. There was no "correlation or study or anything" of that nature to show people what America thinks.

Thanks for taking what people type out of context.

Edit: yo udid say a populated area. I think a workplace of 400 is populated for a town of 7000.

Plus if statistics prove true, and I find 1 in a population of 7000, i am sure I could find 1 in a larger population pool.

But I will agree MOST people correlate pro-choice with abortion. However the definition of pro-choice is not just about abortion.

 

[diesbudt]

Also, isn't prostitution ONLY legal in the Las Vegas area?

Yes. Only in the Las vegas area. I think it is a small mile radius from teh city too. Tops.

 

[momeNt]

The only truly moral argument for abortion is the libertarian concept of "evictionism". Every other argument either for or against abortion is the restriction of liberty or state-imposed preferential treatment with the interest of one placed higher than another.

 

[Moonbeam]

God Damn It, Pro Choice is what I say it is.

I completely agree. And now that we have the one true real and only definition of what pro choice is can I debate with you what the issues are the lie at the heart of the liberal conservative debate over purported hypocrisy ascribed by each party to the other over supposedly choice issues?

 

[momeNt]

I completely agree. And now that we have the one true real and only definition of what pro choice is can I debate with you what the issues are the lie at the heart of the liberal conservative debate over purported hypocrisy ascribed by each party to the other over supposedly choice issues?

You may.

 

[hal2kilo]

Also, isn't prostitution ONLY legal in the Las Vegas area?


*edit Brothels are only legal in Nevada, you cannot go out onto the streets and sale your vagina. So, incorruptible is stupid...again.

Not so much Las Vegas, but just outside Reno for sure.