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How Planned Parenthood affected my youth

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Originally posted by: dgevert
Originally posted by: RiprorinHere's some statistics:

There's been about 45 million abortions in the US since 1973
About 500,000 Americans have dies of AIDS.
About 45 million Americans have an STD and it's estimated that 30 - 50% of college students are carrying the genital herpes virus.
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http://www.advocatesforyouth.o...ns/factsheet/fsest.pdf (PDF file)

This is from Oct 2001: (writing it out because I know if the shoe was on the other foot, I wouldn't really want to look at a PDF file if I didn't have to)

Teen pregnancy rate statistics per 1,000 women ages 15-19

USA: 79.8
France: 20.2
Germany: 16.1
Netherlands: 8.7

"In the United States, the teen pregnancy rate is more than nine times higher than that in the Netherlands, nearly four times higher than the rate in France, and nearly five times higher than that in Germany."

Teen birth rate statistics per 1,000 women ages 15-19

USA: 48.7
Germany: 12.5
France: 10.0
Netherlands: 4.5

"In the United States, the teen birth rate is nearly 11 times higher than that of the Netherlands, nearly five times higher than the rate in France, and nearly four times higher than that in Germany."

Teen abortion rate statistics per 1,000 women ages 15-19

USA: 27.5
France: 10.2
Netherlands: 4.2
Germany: 3.6

"In the United States, the teen abortion rate is nearly eight times higher than the rate in Germany, nearly seven times higher than that in the Netherlands, and nearly three times higher than the rate in France."

Percent of Men Ages 15 to 24 Infected with HIV

USA: 0.75%
France: 0.49%
Netherlands: 0.27%
Germany: 0.14%

Percent of Women Ages 15 to 24 Infected with HIV:

USA: 0.30%
France: 0.30%
Netherlands: 0.11%
Germany: 0.05%

Syphilis Rate per 100,000 Teens Ages 15-19

(This data is obviously older; data on this was not available for France)

USA: 6.4
East Germany: 2.2
West Germany: 1.2
Netherlands: 1.0

Gonorrhea Rate per 100,000 Teens Ages 15-19

USA: 571.8
East Germany: 15.0
West Germany: 8.6
France: 7.7
Netherlands 7.7

Chlamydia Rate per 100,000 Teens Ages 15-19

(Data only available for USA and France)

USA: 1,136.6
France: 55.1

And the kicker...

Typical Age at First Sexual Intercourse

USA: 17.4 years
Netherlands: 17.7 years
France: 18.0 years

48.6% of American women ages 18-19 have had two or more sexual partners in the past year.
Only 12.8 of French women of the same age group have had two or more sexual partners in the past year.
48.8% of American men in that group have had 2+ sexual partners in the past year.
28.8% of French men in that group have had 2+ sexual partners in the past year.

So why the difference? In Europe,

* research is the basis for public policies to reduce unintended pregnancy, abortion, and STDs
* the desire to reduce abortions and prevent STDs motivates them to provided unimpeded access to contraception, including condoms, consistent sexual education, and widespread public education campaigns
* youth have convenient access to free or low-cost contraception through national health insurance
* adults see intimate sexual relationships as normal and natural for older adolescents, a positive component of emotionally healthy maturation
* the morality of sexual behavior is weighed through an individual ethic that includes the values of responsibility, respect, tolerance, and equity

So basically, the attitudes behind the Planned Parenthood are more widespread in Europe, and there are fewer people of Riprorin's ilk fighting to change this. Because European attitudes towards sex are more liberal and because ours are puritanical and outdated, European sex education and attitudes towards sex have FAR outpaced our own. Because of this, our teenagers suffer.

This is why people like Riprorin anger me so. He's a great example of the PROBLEM in America. And he dares to quote statistics to ME??
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Best healthcare system in the world my @ss. That's what happens when a country puts rightwing ideology ahead of human health.
 
Europe also has very high suicide rates:

Country Rate (per 100,000)

Finland 26.4
Denmark 20.4
Austria 20.4
France 19.8
Switzerland 19.6
Japan 15.1
Sweden 14.7
Germany 13.8
Norway 13
United States 11.8
Netherlands 9.6

Statistical Abstract of the United States, 1997 (Table No. 1339, Page 834)
Suicide and Self-Inflicted Injury, by Country
Source Data: World Health Organization, Geneva, Switzerland,
World Health Statistics Annual
 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Europe also has very high suicide rates:

Country Rate (per 100,000)

Finland 26.4
Denmark 20.4
Austria 20.4
France 19.8
Switzerland 19.6
Japan 15.1
Sweden 14.7
Germany 13.8
Norway 13
United States 11.8
Netherlands 9.6

Statistical Abstract of the United States, 1997 (Table No. 1339, Page 834)
Suicide and Self-Inflicted Injury, by Country
Source Data: World Health Organization, Geneva, Switzerland,
World Health Statistics Annual
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Bwahahahah. What does that have to do with sex? *shakes my head in pity*

Anyway thanks again riprorin for bringing the needs of planned parenthood to the board's attention.
 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Europe also has very high suicide rates:

Country Rate (per 100,000)

Finland 26.4
Denmark 20.4
Austria 20.4
France 19.8
Switzerland 19.6
Japan 15.1
Sweden 14.7
Germany 13.8
Norway 13
United States 11.8
Netherlands 9.6

Statistical Abstract of the United States, 1997 (Table No. 1339, Page 834)
Suicide and Self-Inflicted Injury, by Country
Source Data: World Health Organization, Geneva, Switzerland,
World Health Statistics Annual
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Please move to Europe and end yourself. Thank you.
 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Europe also has very high suicide rates:

Country Rate (per 100,000)

Finland 26.4
Denmark 20.4
Austria 20.4
France 19.8
Switzerland 19.6
Japan 15.1
Sweden 14.7
Germany 13.8
Norway 13
United States 11.8
Netherlands 9.6

Statistical Abstract of the United States, 1997 (Table No. 1339, Page 834)
Suicide and Self-Inflicted Injury, by Country
Source Data: World Health Organization, Geneva, Switzerland,
World Health Statistics Annual
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Bwahahahah. What does that have to do with sex? *shakes my head in pity*

Anyway thanks again riprorin for bringing the needs of planned parenthood to the board's attention.
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I guess Europe isn't such a great model afterall, given the high suiced rate there.

Sexually Active Teenagers Are More Likely to Be Depressed and to Attempt Suicide

Why doesn't the Youth Advocacy group site this information? I guess that it doesn't their political agenda.

 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Executive Summary: Government Spends $12 on Safe Sex and Contraceptives for Every $1 Spent on Abstinence

As usual, misguidedly throwing money at a problem doesn't solve it.

Kids aren't getting to little sex-ed, they're getting too little abstinance training.
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How do you train them, teach them how to put on a chastity belt?

Like I mentioned earlier in this thread, back when I went to school all they taught was abstinence and it didn't work worth a sh!t. Just wait until your kids become teenagers bud. All this stuff you are telling them now will go out the window when they get the urge. All you can hope for is that they use protection so you won't have to sew on a Scarlet\t letter to their clothes.

 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Executive Summary: Government Spends $12 on Safe Sex and Contraceptives for Every $1 Spent on Abstinence

As usual, misguidedly throwing money at a problem doesn't solve it.

Kids aren't getting to little sex-ed, they're getting too little abstinance training.
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Which is, of course, why Europe has much lower rates of teen abortion, teen pregnancy, and teen STDs. They're getting "too little abstinence training."

This is why arguing with religious people gets so frustrating so quickly. No matter what the facts or truth of the matter are, they just continue to make their bogus claims.

How do you spend money on abstinence?
 
In fact, programs promoting contraceptive use already receive very large amounts of government funding. In 2002, the federal and state governments spent an estimated $1.73 billion on a wide variety of contraception promotion and pregnancy prevention programs. More than a third of that money ($653 million) was spent specifically to fund contraceptive programs for teens.

By contrast, programs teaching teens to abstain from sexual activity received only an estimated $144.1 million in 2002. Overall, government spent $12 to promote contraception for every dollar spent to encourage abstinence.

However, these spending priorities are exactly the opposite of what parents in the United States say they want taught to their teens. In a recent Zogby poll, only 8 percent of parents surveyed said they believe that teaching teens how to use a condom is more important than teaching teens to abstain from sexual activity. Instead, an overwhelming majority--85 percent--of parents said that the emphasis placed on abstinence for teens should be equal to or greater than the emphasis placed on contraception.

Clearly, "safe sex programs" aren't working.

Parental rights and wishes should be respected don't you think?
 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Clearly, "safe sex programs" aren't working.
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Yes they are. Anytime a kid uses a Condom when having sex it's because he/she's's gotten the word about safe sex.
 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Clearly, "safe sex programs" aren't working.
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Abstinence hasn't worked since the dawn of time-- what makes you think things will be different this time? Unless, maybe you have a stock of bleach on hand as red dawn suggested.
 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
In fact, programs promoting contraceptive use already receive very large amounts of government funding. In 2002, the federal and state governments spent an estimated $1.73 billion on a wide variety of contraception promotion and pregnancy prevention programs. More than a third of that money ($653 million) was spent specifically to fund contraceptive programs for teens.

By contrast, programs teaching teens to abstain from sexual activity received only an estimated $144.1 million in 2002. Overall, government spent $12 to promote contraception for every dollar spent to encourage abstinence.

However, these spending priorities are exactly the opposite of what parents in the United States say they want taught to their teens. In a recent Zogby poll, only 8 percent of parents surveyed said they believe that teaching teens how to use a condom is more important than teaching teens to abstain from sexual activity. Instead, an overwhelming majority--85 percent--of parents said that the emphasis placed on abstinence for teens should be equal to or greater than the emphasis placed on contraception.

Clearly, "safe sex programs" aren't working.

Parental rights and wishes should be respected don't you think?
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Clearly, Europe proves that safe sex programs ARE working.

Is anyone saying that parents can't tell their kids to abstain from sex?

You want to believe in abstinence for religious reasons? Fine, be my guest. You're not very bright to do so in my book but whatever, it's your life. Want to tell your children that? Quite immoral, but still, be my guest. You want to force everyone else to listen to your religiously-motivated ignorant blather? Screw you buddy, not in MY America.
 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
In fact, programs promoting contraceptive use already receive very large amounts of government funding. In 2002, the federal and state governments spent an estimated $1.73 billion on a wide variety of contraception promotion and pregnancy prevention programs. More than a third of that money ($653 million) was spent specifically to fund contraceptive programs for teens.

By contrast, programs teaching teens to abstain from sexual activity received only an estimated $144.1 million in 2002. Overall, government spent $12 to promote contraception for every dollar spent to encourage abstinence.

However, these spending priorities are exactly the opposite of what parents in the United States say they want taught to their teens. In a recent Zogby poll, only 8 percent of parents surveyed said they believe that teaching teens how to use a condom is more important than teaching teens to abstain from sexual activity. Instead, an overwhelming majority--85 percent--of parents said that the emphasis placed on abstinence for teens should be equal to or greater than the emphasis placed on contraception.

Clearly, "safe sex programs" aren't working.

Parental rights and wishes should be respected don't you think?
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First of all there are two components to contraceptive promotion: contraception education, and the actual contraceptives. There is only the education component to abstinence education, unless you are distributing chastitiy belts and penis cages. So you can't compare the two.
 
Originally posted by: dgevert
Originally posted by: Riprorin
In fact, programs promoting contraceptive use already receive very large amounts of government funding. In 2002, the federal and state governments spent an estimated $1.73 billion on a wide variety of contraception promotion and pregnancy prevention programs. More than a third of that money ($653 million) was spent specifically to fund contraceptive programs for teens.

By contrast, programs teaching teens to abstain from sexual activity received only an estimated $144.1 million in 2002. Overall, government spent $12 to promote contraception for every dollar spent to encourage abstinence.

However, these spending priorities are exactly the opposite of what parents in the United States say they want taught to their teens. In a recent Zogby poll, only 8 percent of parents surveyed said they believe that teaching teens how to use a condom is more important than teaching teens to abstain from sexual activity. Instead, an overwhelming majority--85 percent--of parents said that the emphasis placed on abstinence for teens should be equal to or greater than the emphasis placed on contraception.

Clearly, "safe sex programs" aren't working.

Parental rights and wishes should be respected don't you think?
Click to expand...

Clearly, Europe proves that safe sex programs ARE working.

Is anyone saying that parents can't tell their kids to abstain from sex?

You want to believe in abstinence for religious reasons? Fine, be my guest. You're not very bright to do so in my book but whatever, it's your life. Want to tell your children that? Quite immoral, but still, be my guest. You want to force everyone else to listen to your religiously-motivated ignorant blather? Screw you buddy, not in MY America.
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However, these spending priorities are exactly the opposite of what parents in the United States say they want taught to their teens. In a recent Zogby poll, only 8 percent of parents surveyed said they believe that teaching teens how to use a condom is more important than teaching teens to abstain from sexual activity. Instead, an overwhelming majority--85 percent--of parents said that the emphasis placed on abstinence for teens should be equal to or greater than the emphasis placed on contraception.
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So in your America, the parental role should be undermined to futher your political agenda?
 
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: Riprorin
In fact, programs promoting contraceptive use already receive very large amounts of government funding. In 2002, the federal and state governments spent an estimated $1.73 billion on a wide variety of contraception promotion and pregnancy prevention programs. More than a third of that money ($653 million) was spent specifically to fund contraceptive programs for teens.

By contrast, programs teaching teens to abstain from sexual activity received only an estimated $144.1 million in 2002. Overall, government spent $12 to promote contraception for every dollar spent to encourage abstinence.

However, these spending priorities are exactly the opposite of what parents in the United States say they want taught to their teens. In a recent Zogby poll, only 8 percent of parents surveyed said they believe that teaching teens how to use a condom is more important than teaching teens to abstain from sexual activity. Instead, an overwhelming majority--85 percent--of parents said that the emphasis placed on abstinence for teens should be equal to or greater than the emphasis placed on contraception.

Clearly, "safe sex programs" aren't working.

Parental rights and wishes should be respected don't you think?
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First of all there are two components to contraceptive promotion: contraception education, and the actual contraceptives. There is only the education component to abstinence education, unless you are distributing chastitiy belts and penis cages. So you can't compare the two.
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Basically, contraception is dependant on medical science, while abstinance is based on ones own strength of character.

 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
So in your America, the parental role should be undermined to futher your political agenda?
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Does this stopping someone stupid from teaching their kids that abstinence is the only way?

Only in Conservative Christianity is knowledge ever a bad thing...
 
Originally posted by: dgevert
Originally posted by: Riprorin
So in your America, the parental role should be undermined to futher your political agenda?
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Does this stopping someone stupid from teaching their kids that abstinence is the only way?

Only in Conservative Christianity is knowledge ever a bad thing...
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only 8 percent of parents surveyed said they believe that teaching teens how to use a condom is more important than teaching teens to abstain from sexual activity.
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Are you saying that parents are stupid and their children should be raised by public educators?
 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Are you saying that parents are stupid and their children should be raised by public educators?
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I'm saying that stupid parents have the right to teach their children whatever they want. I'm saying that those stupid parents should not be allowed to screw up the children of parents who are smart enough to know what I know, and who are smart enough to see through conservative Christian propaganda.
 
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