How Planned Parenthood affected my youth

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I feel suddenly compelled to make a donation to Planned Parenthood. Anyone who's interested can find out more information by clicking here.

Who's with me?

I give via auto deduction from my paycheck🙂

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
You and info have PMs
CsG

<The individual you mentioned> doesn't have his list posted on the web for all to see, does he? If so, please provide the URL. In Alchemize's case, he had a publicly-viewable web page with a large list of "incriminating" quotes from various liberals on these boards. I found that interesting, but I'm sure you'll excuse it as his intention was railing against the alleged "liberal bias" of AT. Personally, I found it abhorrent as I do every instance of pressure exerted to chill free-speech. You should know that much about me by now . . .

Not to my knowledge.

However, as to alchy's collection - I thought it was quite relevant to the case he presented, but getting into that here is not looked on too kindly as it would involve talking about "sensitive" subjects.

CsG

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Csg, how many computers do you have at home, are they networked, and have you ever thought of a terminal system?

I think i'm down to 8 that are running. It'll be 7 by the end of the weekend though as I'm rebuilding one for the wife and going to steal parts from a different one leaving it inoperable.
Networked - yes. Kids have two computers in the play room, wireless for the lappys, and a couple switches here in my computer room for the other computers.

And no, planned parenthood didn't affect my youth in-so-far-as making me a computer nut.

CsG

 

[Infohawk]

So since they are networked and you have a lot of computers isn't it a pain to constantly have different settings or keep them (e.g bookmarks) syncronized?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
You and info have PMs
CsG

<The individual you mentioned> doesn't have his list posted on the web for all to see, does he? If so, please provide the URL. In Alchemize's case, he had a publicly-viewable web page with a large list of "incriminating" quotes from various liberals on these boards. I found that interesting, but I'm sure you'll excuse it as his intention was railing against the alleged "liberal bias" of AT. Personally, I found it abhorrent as I do every instance of pressure exerted to chill free-speech. You should know that much about me by now . . .

Would you agree that removing posting privledges permanently is chilling free speech?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
So since they are networked and you have a lot of computers isn't it a pain to constantly have different settings or keep them (e.g bookmarks) syncronized?

No, I really only use one for myself. The others have different uses.
Me
Wife
kids
kids
webserver
linux play box
lappy for the couch 🙂
lappy for upstairs (the rest are all downstairs here)

CsG

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Infohawk
So since they are networked and you have a lot of computers isn't it a pain to constantly have different settings or keep them (e.g bookmarks) syncronized?

No, I really only use one for myself. The others have different uses.
Me
Wife
kids
kids
webserver
linux play box
lappy for the couch 🙂
lappy for upstairs (the rest are all downstairs here)

CsG

So everyone has accounts on the laptops? I guess that doesn't make it too much of a pain then if you only have a couple different settings.

Personally I think the time is coming where you can set up cheap dumb terminals around a house and just always be able to log into the same session.

 

[judasmachine]

i hate to keep parroting this point, but who is going to feed and house all these brats if we let them hatch? we all know their teenage mothers won't, and can't. besides some of you would rather she not get a dime of assistance. so i ask who is going to house and feed these brats? planned parenthood does more good than you realize.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
You and info have PMs
CsG

<The individual you mentioned> doesn't have his list posted on the web for all to see, does he? If so, please provide the URL. In Alchemize's case, he had a publicly-viewable web page with a large list of "incriminating" quotes from various liberals on these boards. I found that interesting, but I'm sure you'll excuse it as his intention was railing against the alleged "liberal bias" of AT. Personally, I found it abhorrent as I do every instance of pressure exerted to chill free-speech. You should know that much about me by now . . .

Would you agree that removing posting privledges permanently is chilling free speech?

Yup, but private forums have no responsibility to defend free speech.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Infohawk
So since they are networked and you have a lot of computers isn't it a pain to constantly have different settings or keep them (e.g bookmarks) syncronized?

No, I really only use one for myself. The others have different uses.
Me
Wife
kids
kids
webserver
linux play box
lappy for the couch 🙂
lappy for upstairs (the rest are all downstairs here)

CsG

So everyone has accounts on the laptops? I guess that doesn't make it too much of a pain then if you only have a couple different settings.

Personally I think the time is coming where you can set up cheap dumb terminals around a house and just always be able to log into the same session.

Nah, there are no accounts - just one main one for each(minus the Admin login 😉 ) that loads automatically. Since there are more than enough computers for each member of the house they tend to stay on their own computers. I tried to do the individual login thing but it didn't work to well with a 2 and 4 year old.

CsG

 

[TuxDave]

It would really contribute to this thread if there was someone who actually went to the abortion clinic with the intent of getting an abortion. I haven't but it would clear up alot of things.

According to Rip, the abortion clinics will advertise "Yeah... come on, get an abortion" and when walking into the clinic if you want an abortion they'll go "Step right it, we'll finish with you in no time"

Yet, there is no light being brought to the fact that many abortion clinics prefer their clients to make informed decisions. I ideally believe that they should discuss the possibilities of parenthood and adoption in conjunction with abortion. Kinda like counselling and if the client (after understanding all options) still prefers the abortion, they will conduct it.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
You and info have PMs
CsG

<The individual you mentioned> doesn't have his list posted on the web for all to see, does he? If so, please provide the URL. In Alchemize's case, he had a publicly-viewable web page with a large list of "incriminating" quotes from various liberals on these boards. I found that interesting, but I'm sure you'll excuse it as his intention was railing against the alleged "liberal bias" of AT. Personally, I found it abhorrent as I do every instance of pressure exerted to chill free-speech. You should know that much about me by now . . .

Would you agree that removing posting privledges permanently is chilling free speech?

Yup, but private forums have no responsibility to defend free speech.

No they don't but if they are trying to project an air of fairness - this would be a breach - no?

CsG

 

[SuperTool]

When I read the title I thought Riprorin was going to tell us his story of why he hates PP.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Would you agree that removing posting privledges permanently is chilling free speech?

Yes, I really feel that this would be a better forum if everyone were allowed to say whatever they wish. No-holds barred. However, I agree that AT is well within their rights to police their own forums to whatever standard they wish. I may not like it, or you may not like it, but AT is a private system and can pretty much do what they wish.

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: alchemize
Would you agree that removing posting privledges permanently is chilling free speech?

Yes, I really feel that this would be a better forum if everyone were allowed to say whatever they wish. No-holds barred. However, I agree that AT is well within their rights to police their own forums to whatever standard they wish. I may not like it, or you may not like it, but AT is a private system and can pretty much do what they wish.

Agreed... there's no reason why we should have the 'right' to post anything we want on a private forum.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: alchemize
Would you agree that removing posting privledges permanently is chilling free speech?

Yes, I really feel that this would be a better forum if everyone were allowed to say whatever they wish. No-holds barred.

No way. It would turn into usenet or yahoo news. It just drowns crap out after a while.

 

[BarneyFife]

Lets face facts, Europe shows nudity on billboards, magazines, tv, etc... Do they have a bunch of pregnant girls? No. Do they have a high abortion rate? No. Do they have a bunch of rapists? No.

Many European countries have no age restriction on alcohol. Are European kids a bunch of drunks? No.

Many European countries allow people to walk into a pharmacy and get whatever drug they want. Do Europeans have a problem with abusing medication? No.

So what is my point? Rip is sexually repressed.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: alchemize
Would you agree that removing posting privledges permanently is chilling free speech?

Yes, I really feel that this would be a better forum if everyone were allowed to say whatever they wish. No-holds barred. However, I agree that AT is well within their rights to police their own forums to whatever standard they wish. I may not like it, or you may not like it, but AT is a private system and can pretty much do what they wish.

So if there is no free speech, how can I be chilling it?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: alchemize
Would you agree that removing posting privledges permanently is chilling free speech?

Yes, I really feel that this would be a better forum if everyone were allowed to say whatever they wish. No-holds barred. However, I agree that AT is well within their rights to police their own forums to whatever standard they wish. I may not like it, or you may not like it, but AT is a private system and can pretty much do what they wish.

So if there is no free speech, how can I be chilling it?

Additionally, if my list represents examples of free speech that are tolerated, while others are not, I'm working towards free speech, not chilling it aren't I?

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
No they don't but if they are trying to project an air of fairness - this would be a breach - no?

CsG

Indeed - I think they're pretty good about it, and though I don't always agree with some of the decisions, I try not to comment on them specifically.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: alchemize
Would you agree that removing posting privledges permanently is chilling free speech?

Yes, I really feel that this would be a better forum if everyone were allowed to say whatever they wish. No-holds barred. However, I agree that AT is well within their rights to police their own forums to whatever standard they wish. I may not like it, or you may not like it, but AT is a private system and can pretty much do what they wish.

So if there is no free speech, how can I be chilling it?

Additionally, if my list represents examples of free speech that are tolerated, while others are not, I'm working towards free speech, not chilling it aren't I?

I was always disapointed that I was never in it 🙁

 

[Infohawk]

So does this thing still exist on the internet or has it been removed?

 

[dgevert]

Originally posted by: RiprorinHere's some statistics:

There's been about 45 million abortions in the US since 1973
About 500,000 Americans have dies of AIDS.
About 45 million Americans have an STD and it's estimated that 30 - 50% of college students are carrying the genital herpes virus.

http://www.advocatesforyouth.o...ns/factsheet/fsest.pdf (PDF file)

This is from Oct 2001: (writing it out because I know if the shoe was on the other foot, I wouldn't really want to look at a PDF file if I didn't have to)

Teen pregnancy rate statistics per 1,000 women ages 15-19

USA: 79.8
France: 20.2
Germany: 16.1
Netherlands: 8.7

"In the United States, the teen pregnancy rate is more than nine times higher than that in the Netherlands, nearly four times higher than the rate in France, and nearly five times higher than that in Germany."

Teen birth rate statistics per 1,000 women ages 15-19

USA: 48.7
Germany: 12.5
France: 10.0
Netherlands: 4.5

"In the United States, the teen birth rate is nearly 11 times higher than that of the Netherlands, nearly five times higher than the rate in France, and nearly four times higher than that in Germany."

Teen abortion rate statistics per 1,000 women ages 15-19

USA: 27.5
France: 10.2
Netherlands: 4.2
Germany: 3.6

"In the United States, the teen abortion rate is nearly eight times higher than the rate in Germany, nearly seven times higher than that in the Netherlands, and nearly three times higher than the rate in France."

Percent of Men Ages 15 to 24 Infected with HIV

USA: 0.75%
France: 0.49%
Netherlands: 0.27%
Germany: 0.14%

Percent of Women Ages 15 to 24 Infected with HIV:

USA: 0.30%
France: 0.30%
Netherlands: 0.11%
Germany: 0.05%

Syphilis Rate per 100,000 Teens Ages 15-19

(This data is obviously older; data on this was not available for France)

USA: 6.4
East Germany: 2.2
West Germany: 1.2
Netherlands: 1.0

Gonorrhea Rate per 100,000 Teens Ages 15-19

USA: 571.8
East Germany: 15.0
West Germany: 8.6
France: 7.7
Netherlands 7.7

Chlamydia Rate per 100,000 Teens Ages 15-19

(Data only available for USA and France)

USA: 1,136.6
France: 55.1

And the kicker...

Typical Age at First Sexual Intercourse

USA: 17.4 years
Netherlands: 17.7 years
France: 18.0 years

48.6% of American women ages 18-19 have had two or more sexual partners in the past year.
Only 12.8 of French women of the same age group have had two or more sexual partners in the past year.
48.8% of American men in that group have had 2+ sexual partners in the past year.
28.8% of French men in that group have had 2+ sexual partners in the past year.

So why the difference? In Europe,

* research is the basis for public policies to reduce unintended pregnancy, abortion, and STDs
* the desire to reduce abortions and prevent STDs motivates them to provided unimpeded access to contraception, including condoms, consistent sexual education, and widespread public education campaigns
* youth have convenient access to free or low-cost contraception through national health insurance
* adults see intimate sexual relationships as normal and natural for older adolescents, a positive component of emotionally healthy maturation
* the morality of sexual behavior is weighed through an individual ethic that includes the values of responsibility, respect, tolerance, and equity

So basically, the attitudes behind the Planned Parenthood are more widespread in Europe, and there are fewer people of Riprorin's ilk fighting to change this. Because European attitudes towards sex are more liberal and because ours are puritanical and outdated, European sex education and attitudes towards sex have FAR outpaced our own. Because of this, our teenagers suffer.

This is why people like Riprorin anger me so. He's a great example of the PROBLEM in America. And he dares to quote statistics to ME??

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Lets face facts, Europe shows nudity on billboards, magazines, tv, etc... Do they have a bunch of pregnant girls? No. Do they have a high abortion rate? No. Do they have a bunch of rapists? No.

Many European countries have no age restriction on alcohol. Are European kids a bunch of drunks? No.

Many European countries allow people to walk into a pharmacy and get whatever drug they want. Do Europeans have a problem with abusing medication? No.

So what is my point? Rip is sexually repressed.

Besides for the obvious with the OP, all of the Stats clearly show that Nanny State tactics of the U.S. RRR does not work and the OP continues to push for more Nanny State tactics.

 

[dgevert]

Originally posted by: alchemize
In my mind, defending NAMBLA goes beyond frivolity, its downright immoral. I agree. :beer:

He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression.
-- Thomas Paine

NAMBLA disgusts me too. However, as long as it is just speech, and not actions, then they cannot be illegal. The ACLU is merely consistent in their defense of freedoms.

What you don't here the Religious Right talking about much is that, most of the time, the ACLU has come to the defense of Christians. Hell, they even came to bat for Jerry Falwell in one court case, though you don't see him publically thanking them for it.