Pliablemoose
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- Oct 11, 1999
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I really really want to respond to this, but I'm trying to swear off of responding to this fool.
I really really want to respond to this, but I'm trying to swear off of responding to this fool.
Obsoleet
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- Oct 2, 2007
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Independent here. Voted for Obama. So far, he's been better than Bush. I'd like to see the wars either shutdown or finally a comprehensible explanation as to why they're going on. Other than that, I'll likely be voting for Obama again in 2012.
Also, I think I'd like to see a heavily regulated insurance industry rather than a public option. Romney should've been run in 2008 honestly, crazy mormon or not he'd had a shot at my vote due to his less warlike nature.
One thing I'd like for Republicans to change is the projection that war is cool and a positive, patriotic thing in any way shape or form. Seeing the flag connected to the gun and the cross is a pretty disgusting combo.
Also, I think I'd like to see a heavily regulated insurance industry rather than a public option. Romney should've been run in 2008 honestly, crazy mormon or not he'd had a shot at my vote due to his less warlike nature.
One thing I'd like for Republicans to change is the projection that war is cool and a positive, patriotic thing in any way shape or form. Seeing the flag connected to the gun and the cross is a pretty disgusting combo.
Repeal of term limits would have been cool if they happened in time to see Bush run again, just so I could see how badly he would've gotten his ass handed to him, as well as shut up the idiots that still believed in him. :shocked:
rudder
Lifer
- Nov 9, 2000
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I would bet you since it should be a sure thing. However, the GOP could pull a Kerry. That is have someone who by all rights should be easy to defeat in a presidential election... but nominate such a buffoon that America has no choice but to vote for the incumbent.
If brave men and women stood up and fought back against tyrants, this world would be a lot more peaceful place. Instead, we have spaghetti spined cowards predominately on the left who let tyrants run amok that cause thousands of times more harm than a war to remove them would because good people didn't stop them. Life isn't fair and tyrants don't give up their power willingly. Sacrifices must be made to remove them, whether it's a relatively quick "tear off the bandaid" of a war or the slow, agonizing misery of letting a tyrant keep an iron grip on their people at the edge of a gun, is our choice.
All my friends who supported the invasion of Iraq supported it on the grounds alone that Saddam was an evil SOB who needed to be disposed of like Hitler was. Too many Americans however turn their heads at the slow agonizing suffering of people under a dictator, so it's no wonder they're opposed to ending the suffering through military action.
reelections are inevitably more about the guy already in office than the guy running against him.
if Obama's numbers continue to slide and the GOP runs someone semi-competant against him (note: it will absolutely not be Palin or Huckabee. I'd put safe money on that. I don't think it will be Romney either), I think it could be a real fight.
of course, Obama's numbers could rebound and it could be 1996 all over again. it's a long way away. much too long to say with certainty that he's done but also much too long to say that the GOP is dead and buried.
jonks
Lifer
- Feb 7, 2005
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you betcha?
and this is why:
Not lock-step far right? Reps don't want you. They don't want specter, powell, snowe or anything resembling moderate. A shrinking white old conservative religious powerbase in a country leaning younger, more diverse, more secular.
JohnOfSheffield
Lifer
- Jun 26, 2007
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I think 2004 was the exception to the rule... mostly because GWB ran a great campaign and John Kerry ran a spectacularly bad one (not that it stopped me from voting for him)
Lemon law
Lifer
- Nov 6, 2005
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Everyone on this thread is thinking a too long time frame when talking 11/2012. Its the 11/2010 elections that are going to be the ball game.
The GOP delusion is in thinking they can stop the Obama agenda on various reforms, they will be rewarded by the American people in the election of 11/2010. Which is the same exact GOP delusion the GOP operated on in stopping any of the democratic agenda in the last two years of GWB. And while the GOP was immensely proud of itself in largely blunting all the democratic agendas during the 2007-2009 time frame, when it came to for the American people to reward the GOP, they got a rather ugly dope slap at the polls instead.
Right now Obama may be rather naive on thinking that the GOP can be reasoned with or will be anything other than obstructionists, but with some patience, all good things may come to democrats who wait, because after the election of 2010, there may not be enough republirats left to even bother to consult.
After all, many of these reforms are decades and decades over due, will a year and two months really matter? Its what sustained the policies of Reid and Pelosi during the last dark days of GWB, as they were smart enough not to shut down government just to have their way, and even now the GOP tries to shut down government while it still has the last vestiges of the tyranny of the minority.
Oh, how much further can the proud party of Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt still fall before there is nothing left?
The GOP delusion is in thinking they can stop the Obama agenda on various reforms, they will be rewarded by the American people in the election of 11/2010. Which is the same exact GOP delusion the GOP operated on in stopping any of the democratic agenda in the last two years of GWB. And while the GOP was immensely proud of itself in largely blunting all the democratic agendas during the 2007-2009 time frame, when it came to for the American people to reward the GOP, they got a rather ugly dope slap at the polls instead.
Right now Obama may be rather naive on thinking that the GOP can be reasoned with or will be anything other than obstructionists, but with some patience, all good things may come to democrats who wait, because after the election of 2010, there may not be enough republirats left to even bother to consult.
After all, many of these reforms are decades and decades over due, will a year and two months really matter? Its what sustained the policies of Reid and Pelosi during the last dark days of GWB, as they were smart enough not to shut down government just to have their way, and even now the GOP tries to shut down government while it still has the last vestiges of the tyranny of the minority.
Oh, how much further can the proud party of Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt still fall before there is nothing left?
JohnOfSheffield
Lifer
- Jun 26, 2007
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Amen to all that.
I don't believe that Democrats are gloating or rubbing it in when they make predictions about the demise of the Republican party. The self-defeating attitude that permeates the party as evidenced by these absurd reactions to the President's speech to the high school kids is what makes people turn away.
idk, it seems like the Democrats have this delusion that the GOP is affecting their agenda.
the democrats have enough votes to pass whatever the hell they want to through either chamber of congress, even if the republicans tried to filibuster; their problem is their own party.
I don't get this reasoning at all. Say they were trying to pass a bill and they needed 60 votes to pass it and it ends up 59-41. 40 Republicans voted against it and 1 Democrat did, but by your logic the party we should blame is the Democrats? That's ridiculous.
The Republicans have gone into all-out obstruction. The Democrats do have the votes necessary to implement their agenda, and their failure to do so should most definitely reflect very badly on them. Let's not pretend that there aren't 40 people in the Senate chamber who are working at all times to defeat them though, and they are in no way absolved for their behavior.
Which is why you joined the service as soon as you were able to right? There is no way you'd cower over here instead of signing up.
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